honestly the two worst possible remaining characters would be heihachi and Ryu from ninja Gaiden. luckily heihachi was basically deconfirmed with the death of the costume theory.
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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 4 | Holding Out For A Hero
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And when you factor in that Bamco this year only cares about The iDOLM@STER's 15th anniversary while ignoring both Tekken's and Tales' 25th anniversaries, the writing is on the wall for Heihachi.
Knocked out by a 17 year old girl.
Is it actually the 15th anniversary? Wikipedia tells me that the first Idolmaster game released in 2005.
Now Katamari, on the other hand, is actually celebrating it's 15th this year. In fact, Katamari Damacy released in September 2004 (in North America); perfect timing for a Fall Direct Smash reveal.
The actual 15th anniversary is next year, but they've already started the celebrations a year early.
Sheik is one of my favorite Ninjas ever. I just prefer her Melee/Brawl incarnation more because it had lest emphasis on using traditional ninja-like weapons and fighting techniques. I feel like they've made her into a slightly more generic ninja with each game.
All this talk about how Hyrule Warriors justifies Ryu as a KT rep
But it actually justifies Linkle :)
But it actually justifies Linkle :)
I was never hot for Hayabusa but I've come around to being actively in favor of his inclusion recently. I don't think it would be too difficult to bring him in, since KT seems like a company that's happy to play ball with Nintendo.
He's kind of an "also-ran" compared to Mega Man and the Belmonts, but between his retro appeal and his reboot series and his continued DoA appearances he feels like he has the pedigree.
He's kind of an "also-ran" compared to Mega Man and the Belmonts, but between his retro appeal and his reboot series and his continued DoA appearances he feels like he has the pedigree.
i dunno which guy is tekken but in sleet fighta ecks tekken pac man was smaller than all, so much that he sat on cursed whispy woods or sometheen'
Nobody is acting like Hayabusa is guaranteed. Particularly me, who is probably the biggest Ninja Gaiden stan in this thread.
The funny thing is, Tekken technically has sold more than Pac-Man, at least, according to Wikipedia
List of best-selling video game franchises - Wikipedia
Pac-Man: 43.243 million
Tekken: 47 million
I don't know why you hate Hayabusa so much.
But, IMO, the worst possible remaining choices are Resident Evil and Tekken, because they indicate that only game sales actually matter for getting a character into Smash.
I mean those are also two hugely popular and influential series with millions of fans.
I think people are too focused on Resident Evil, Tekken and Ninja Gaiden and the last 2 fighters will be weird series nobody really saw coming, like Persona.
Are you prepared to see people start talking up GTA and Call of Duty for future Smash titles?
There's a difference between a popular series and a series whose only merit is its popularity.
Wait, so would you prefer, I dunno, Price and Bellic in this Fighter Pass over Jill and Heihachi, or not?
What do you have in mind, then? Most people were speculating Dragon Quest and Banjo-Kazooie for awhile, so it's not like it's all been left field.
Doom, Elder Scrolls, some other western series, an indie game
I just think going with "who is the biggest Japanese series not in smash = getting in Smash as DLC" isn't really a good way to approach it.
What third party characters left have a somewhat similar level of support to Banjo? Sora and Crash? We know Sora isn't happening (at least not now).
I honestly think the latter is the only reason we're talking about RE/Tekken. (And I actually like those games.)
This feels like a "pick your poison" type situation, lol.
Honestly, I feel like Undertale is the only indie franchise with a realistic shot at Smash after Shovel Knight of all characters got shot down.
Also, Doom Slayer has been discussed a lot. But as mentioned before, I can't really bring myself to root for him, even if his inclusion would be pretty cool.
Indie reps for Smash always focus on the biggest and most well known
While I think that helps indie series, I also look at something like Crypt of the Necrodancer and how Nintendo loved that game so much they got them to make a Zelda spin off and I wonder if some random indie will get loved by the right people at Nintendo and suddenly they're the one in Smash instead of Undertale or Shantae or Shovel Knight
I'm still thinking we'll getting a first Party Rep.
And no, I don't mean Paper Mario or Byleth.
Think I said it in my predictions long ago that I see a Zelda Rep happening.
People have been quick to point out that Ninja Gaiden is not one of the "biggest Japanese series". It, as a series, is more comparable to something like Persona in size. It just has legacy, and the company that owns it being particularly close to Nintendo in the last few years, going for it.
(Would be badass, though, IMO.)
Dragon Quest and Banjo-Kazooie felt more obvious to me as good fits since they were series that debuted and became iconic on Nintendo platforms. That and they were aesthetically really strong fits among Nintendo's characters.
Tekken meanwhile has a Wii U port of Tag Tournament 2 as its big Nintendo cred. It makes sense to me why people aren't exactly enthused about that franchise and even Soul Calibur is more fondly remembered by the Nintendo crowd. Resident Evil makes a bit more sense at least due to the exclusive games (at the time) it had on the Gamecube, essentially being the biggest 3rd party series there other than Sonic the Hedgehog. That said I think it is still a Playstation franchise in the hearts of most.
Tekken meanwhile has a Wii U port of Tag Tournament 2 as its big Nintendo cred. It makes sense to me why people aren't exactly enthused about that franchise and even Soul Calibur is more fondly remembered by the Nintendo crowd. Resident Evil makes a bit more sense at least due to the exclusive games (at the time) it had on the Gamecube, essentially being the biggest 3rd party series there other than Sonic the Hedgehog. That said I think it is still a Playstation franchise in the hearts of most.
Most of the major viable options (Midna, Skull Kid, Ghirahim, etc.) are already Assist Trophies. Plus there isn't a ton of BotW music left to add for one of the Champions.
The only ones left that come to mind are Impa & Tingle.
*points at Persona*
I selfishly don't want a RE rep because the music is just boring and not memorable and I have a hard time thinking of how they'll market all these "amazing" rips of atmospheric horror tunes that don't fit Smash Bros.
Pac-Man's fame comes from the arcade so sales are really not going to be a good measurement for him.The funny thing is, Tekken technically has sold more than Pac-Man, at least, according to Wikipedia
List of best-selling video game franchises - Wikipedia
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Pac-Man: 43.243 million
Tekken: 47 million
Pac-Man is one of the biggest icons in gaming. Very few can match this icongraphy in terms of recognisability:
Wikipedia's list of highest grossing videogames is probably a better measurement really, where Pac-Man is listed in fifth place. Heck, Space Invaders is just under it in sixth place and that doesn't even appear on that highest sellers list! And I'd suspect anyone trying to argue Space Invaders isn't a big name in gaming would be laughed out of this thread.
But people don't like to link to that list for the obvious reason. The iDOLM@STER is listed higher than Tekken... actually Tekken isn't even on it.
U-air is fine.
D-smash, though? That move is actually stupid. I've hit so many people with the body hitbox when the sword is on the other side. The dev team was actually pretty good at making it so that d-smashes that hit on both sides only hit on the side they're supposed to, so it makes his humongous body hitbox all the more egregious.
Because for a good chunk of them, indie games are more niche than even Persona. The ones often talked about, such as Undertale, are the ones that were able to carve out their own path into more mainstream awareness (or at least awareness on the level of something like Persona, which is an accomplishment in of itself).
If Jill gets in, please don't let the RE3 outfit be the default. STARS or BSAA (RE5), please.
RE3 outfit will probably be the alt along with RE1 being the default.
I'd prefer STARS default/BSAA alt or vice versa, but I'll allow this considering how popular RE3 Jill is.
RE would be cool as long as we got Jill and/or Claire, and I can at least understand Tekken's importance and legacy to the fighter genre.
I'm sure both of them still have a chance. But I doubt that is what most people want.
Offhand joke. I got less than 6 hours of sleep (which means the usual thing that keeps me from inserting my foot into my mouth is not in place). No insult was actually meant.
Too focused on the biggest and most well known.
I actually think Persona and Bayonetta are lucky to get into Smash and had unique circumstances that allowed them to get in without really being giant legendary series.
I think we go back now and retcon Persona as a "big popular series" but only because we have hindsight that Joker got into Smash. Persona is still the smallest third party in Smash (besides Bayonetta). I don't think Sakurai has ever mentioned Persona's popularity as the reason Joker is in. Instead it just seems like Sakurai really liked Persona 5, so much so he based the aesthetic of Ultimate on Persona 5. And adding Joker was probably a personal choice for Sakurai as a way to show appreciation for the design of that game.
Joker and Bayonetta (and to a lesser extent Banjo) are smaller third party series that had the right circumstances at the right time to get in, and I think there are other series out there that aren't huge, but might catch the right eyes at Nintendo to get in or have the right circumstances at the right time to make it.
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