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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 4 | Holding Out For A Hero
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Cool cool, just making sure. I'm not really paying much attention to Smash lately haha.
Stopped paying attention to png's after the first week. WoL's repetitiveness burned me out I guess.
I played for about an hour and decided it wasn't worth the effort. Mew2King doing the whole thing on hard with no spirits is something else.
Ok I think I give up on 100% completion again.
Legend battles are hard enough as is without the dumb laser game afterwards. SP and the shield items are too rare.
Legend battles are hard enough as is without the dumb laser game afterwards. SP and the shield items are too rare.
I've already asked a member via PM, but I thought I might as well ask publically here too:
does anyone here have access to an up-to-date (4.0.0) dump of the game? Back when the game got leaked, dumped and datamined two weeks before release, I noticed something that has seemingly gone ignored. I recently remembered it, and want to check if my original speculations holds water. I'll make a decently long post and actually explain myself here if I end up being right; but for now I need the file 'msg_menu.msbt' (located in ui/message).
does anyone here have access to an up-to-date (4.0.0) dump of the game? Back when the game got leaked, dumped and datamined two weeks before release, I noticed something that has seemingly gone ignored. I recently remembered it, and want to check if my original speculations holds water. I'll make a decently long post and actually explain myself here if I end up being right; but for now I need the file 'msg_menu.msbt' (located in ui/message).
I don't fight in Quickplay ever since I got into Elite, I only go into Arenas, much less stressful.
Stupid question of the day: if Sakurai would be given BDXL disc powered Switch xP now, what would he do with spirits? Cut them for trophies? Make the whole system 3D? Make some of them costumes?
Sorry for the delay on the thing I was talking about above. Turns out I was asking for the wrong file (Smash 4's file naming tricked me in this case); so i'm waiting for Garuda to check Era again.
God, I really hope this amounts to something worthwhile...
God, I really hope this amounts to something worthwhile...
I like to think spirit ranks show how much Sakurai values a character.
Geno and Skull Kid are 4 stars. Practically guaranteed next game.
Chibi Robo and Isaac are 2 stars. Literally nothing characters.
Geno and Skull Kid are 4 stars. Practically guaranteed next game.
Chibi Robo and Isaac are 2 stars. Literally nothing characters.
Oh shit, finally
Hinawa confirmed for Smash!
D: but how can she fight when shes
not been released in English
To be fair, Isaac's spirit is only 2 stars because you can enhance it into his Dark Dawn self, which is 4 stars.
I mean, her son is already fighting the good fight in Smash; I can't see the problem there.
Same with Chibi-Robo, except his enhanced form is 3 stars.
Also, base Isaac isn't even 2 stars; he's 3.
Spirits were added for development reasons and not power. Trophies were time consuming to make.
Can you go into Elite Smash specific arenas? I lost my score earlier because of poor input lag - so not sure if I will need to get it back first?
Alrighty people; here's some speculation food for you guys to feed on (for potential new modes). Back when Ultimate was first being dumped and datamined, I noticed list of modes in one of the .msbt files (msg_common.msbt; to be specific). I brought this up in the spoiler thread back in November so some people (r_n ?) may remember this; but this list is noteworthy, because each mode is numbered, and there were multiple gaps in the numbering.
Back at launch, I had no proof that this meant anything for post-release modes (since those gaps could've been for cut content or something), and I completely forgot about this until yesterday (when I was looking through Smash 4's files, and noticed that game's equivalent file; which had NO numbering gaps at all, and the numbers didn't match up between that game and Ultimate). Now that i've checked 4.0.0's equivalent file (thanks GarudaSmash ), I know for sure that these gaps
Smash:
We haven't gotten anything new here yet, but we still have 07 as a gap. Since it falls right between Custom Smash and Smashdown, this is most likely a Special Smash mode of some kind (though, since the other modes aren't all that orderly, there's a chance it could be something else).
Online:
cmn_mode_online_04 is Shared Content
cmn_mode_online_07 is Online Tourney
and a new number was added;
cmn_mode_online_10 - Official Tourney Qualifiers
This still leaves 02, 03 and 06 as gaps; and since they skiped those to add 10, i'm sure they'll be filled in eventually. It's really hard to predict what they could be; but I feel like one of them will be user-created tournaments (possibly 06?)
Spirits:
A new number was added;
cmn_mode_spirits_13 - DLC Spirits
Nothing to say on this one. No gaps in this section, so everything is alright.
Games & More:
cmn_mode_other_09 is Stage Builder
and a new number was added;
cmn_mode_other_13 - VR
This still leaves 10 as a gap; and since it was datamined alongside Stage Builder, i'm 100% sure it'll be Home-Run Contest. That doesn't mean it will be the last Games & More mode though; since VR shows that they can just add more numbers.
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This may be a lot to go over, but it could be fun for speculation. I'm free to answer questions if people have any.
EDIT: Wait, I only just realised this myself - 'Official Tourney Qualifiers' isn't a mode i've seen in-game before. Can anyone tell me what this is?
Back at launch, I had no proof that this meant anything for post-release modes (since those gaps could've been for cut content or something), and I completely forgot about this until yesterday (when I was looking through Smash 4's files, and noticed that game's equivalent file; which had NO numbering gaps at all, and the numbers didn't match up between that game and Ultimate). Now that i've checked 4.0.0's equivalent file (thanks GarudaSmash ), I know for sure that these gaps
- Were left for specific modes.
- Are being filled in now.
You'll notice a fair amount of gaps there; one in Smash, two in Games & More and a whopping five in Online. Since Version 1.0.0, we've seen some new mode additions though. I'll comment on those and the remaining gaps below, with my speculation on what they are:
Smash:
We haven't gotten anything new here yet, but we still have 07 as a gap. Since it falls right between Custom Smash and Smashdown, this is most likely a Special Smash mode of some kind (though, since the other modes aren't all that orderly, there's a chance it could be something else).
Online:
cmn_mode_online_04 is Shared Content
cmn_mode_online_07 is Online Tourney
and a new number was added;
cmn_mode_online_10 - Official Tourney Qualifiers
This still leaves 02, 03 and 06 as gaps; and since they skiped those to add 10, i'm sure they'll be filled in eventually. It's really hard to predict what they could be; but I feel like one of them will be user-created tournaments (possibly 06?)
Spirits:
A new number was added;
cmn_mode_spirits_13 - DLC Spirits
Nothing to say on this one. No gaps in this section, so everything is alright.
Games & More:
cmn_mode_other_09 is Stage Builder
and a new number was added;
cmn_mode_other_13 - VR
This still leaves 10 as a gap; and since it was datamined alongside Stage Builder, i'm 100% sure it'll be Home-Run Contest. That doesn't mean it will be the last Games & More mode though; since VR shows that they can just add more numbers.
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This may be a lot to go over, but it could be fun for speculation. I'm free to answer questions if people have any.
EDIT: Wait, I only just realised this myself - 'Official Tourney Qualifiers' isn't a mode i've seen in-game before. Can anyone tell me what this is?
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I guess people might need a TL;DR version on my above post, so i'll deliver on that:
In the remaining content updates for Ultimate, we will (most likely) receive at least:
In the remaining content updates for Ultimate, we will (most likely) receive at least:
- one new Smash mode
- one new Games & More mode
- three new Online modes
I always get a kick out of the differences between streamer Zero, whose funny and entertaining, and YouTube Zero, whose channel is basically just a clickbait commercial exercise
He's good at making content that appeals to specific website's interests
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So the datalist said that we potentially could get two more Games and More modes since there are two blank slots at 09 and 10.
The character from Mega Man?
You know what they say about fictional characters right - what they say is fiction.
Custom moves are coming back in a Smash mode after all!
I couldn't imagine them trying that for these many characters. Especially after changing Palutena.
custom down specials for Hero. I can't even imagine balancing that.
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Here's something incredibly bizarre: there was literally one single update that actually made balance changes to custom specials.
Other than that, they were almost entirely ignored.
we have villager's customs for inspiration
Saveable Selection: The first entry is replaced with a "hold" checkbox. The other entries are not rerolled while the checkbox is active (TBD: can you hold the checkbox when casting and get less entries, or does it automatically get off).
Extreme Selection: Entries are only rerolled upon use, but spending time in menu speeds up MP recovery.
Counter Selection: Upon selection, Down-B is replaced with a counter with selected spell as a successful result together with restoring the menu. MP cost is reduced to zero (not for other specials though).
Future Selection: Upon selection, MP is spent with a TBD% cost increase, but the spell is not used, it's stashed instead. After stashing at least 4 spells, press special attack button during selection to switch the special to a mode where a random selection of stashed spells can be used with no MP cost. The first mode turns back on when you have three spells stashed.
Combination Selection: Like Future Selection, except at any count of stashed spells you press special attack button during selection to fire all stashed spell in order.
Spontaneous Selection: MP is spent with a TBD% cost decrease, but you can't turn off the menu without casting unless you get hit.
Tournament Selection: The menu selected is directly dependent on the MP count at the time of invocation. Heal will never appear.
Natural Selection: There is no menu. The game will automatically decide what to do based on MP and current situation. Kamikaze will never appear.
Selection Selection: The first selection during each stock selects which selection will be selected.
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Still waiting for Rivals of Aether Switch release.
At least people could play as Ori in that game.
I assumed it was used for the official Online Open thing they've been doing. But if it wasn't added until 4.0 it's possible they're reworking the system to have its own little option
they'd probably go with something like "lower MP costs for weaker moves" and "reshuffled odds of appearance" or whatever instead of modifying the moves themselves
It's so amusing to think that Microsoft really is one of the biggest third party Switch supporters out there.
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