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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 5 | The Bear Necessities
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Just curious. What kind of odds would you give them using Jill if they were gonna use RE?
I know this topic a deadest of dead horses but suggesting that Jill would be the playable rep isn't some absurd idea. It's not like it'd be Luigi getting in over Mario or Ken getting in over Ryu. RE has had multiple player/main/face characters and if they pick Jill over the other two, no one needs to be shocked.
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Honestly, I feel like her main competition is Leon. While Chris is the most recurring protagonist, he isn't exactly the top protagonist in the eyes of the fans (based on what I've seen). So as far as the main RE protagonist in Smash goes (if any), it's gonna be a fight between Jill & Leon. And even then, Jill ultimately getting a spot wouldn't be that out-there since, like the others, Jill is a RE protagonist.
Don't take my apathy towards Jill as me not wanting more female representation. A good chunk of my most wanted characters are female fighters.
I just don't think Jill is the sure thing RE rep a lot of people are setting her up to be and see a bunch of people upset if it turns out she doesn't get in.
See, I don't agree with this assessment.
Earlier in this thread, another poster equated the three Capcom series I had listed in this last thread pretty succently.
Resident Evil is the big successful franchise.
Ace Attorney is the fan favorite.
Devil May Cry is neither of those things.
And I see the three main RE protags as this. Chris is the most important character. Leon is the fan favorite. Jill is neither of those things.
Actually Luigi getting in before Mario is a perfect comparison. A lot of people seem to be looking at RE1 in a vacuum where she and Chris shared importance but seriously look at everything after RE3 and say she's still on the same level as Chris and Leon.
But given the current climate of the Fighters Pass (likely all third-party, no double-dipping for assist trophies/Mii costumes/probably spirits, etc.), Jill may be our best option right now. Sure, there's also Monster Hunter. But on top of Rathalos lowering her chances, Sakurai could very well go with the Male Hunter as the default. If we do get a first-party character, I've already suggested a first-party option (Dixie Kong). I guess there's also Byleth, but (putting my distaste regarding Female Byleth's design aside) they'd probably go for Male Byleth as the default.
But unlike Luigi, Jill has actually been the front-woman of mainline entries (albeit not as many as Chris). While Luigi has had games of his own, they weren't mainline (even New Super Luigi U was basically a DLC campaign for NSMBU).
Choosing Jill because of RE3 doesn't seem right to me since it is one of the black sheep of numbered RE games. The remake is probably being made sure but I can't see it being used for Smash if it's still years out and RE2 Remake is literally right there.
It makes sense to either use Chris if you want to rep the overall series since he's the most recurrent protagonist. (especially in modern RE with 5, 6, and 7) Or use Leon if you want the protagonist of the newest game like Joker and Luminary.
It makes sense to either use Chris if you want to rep the overall series since he's the most recurrent protagonist. (especially in modern RE with 5, 6, and 7) Or use Leon if you want the protagonist of the newest game like Joker and Luminary.
Let's be honest, Luminary was likely chosen as the default for advertising purposes. If it was Sakurai's call, the default probably would have been Erdrick. With that said, I recall RE3 being remembered fondly in the fanbase (I certainly enjoyed it). Checking the reviews, RE3 definitely got high praise. You make it sound like it was RE6 levels of black sheep when that's far from the truth.
If were going by how much fans like the game then that's just another point for Leon.
The only thing Jill has going for her is a desire for another female fighter and I frankly don't think the developers or Capcom care as much as some people think.
The only thing Jill has going for her is a desire for another female fighter and I frankly don't think the developers or Capcom care as much as some people think.
Guys, I think we've been ignoring the real necessary newcomer:
"The Phillips CD-i grabs its stuff!"
"The Phillips CD-i grabs its stuff!"
Luminary had to be planned as the default from the beginning since the stage and spirits focus mostly on DQXI. If we're talking advertising too, none of the latest RE ports to Switch have Jill as the main protagonist.
RE3 is a black sheep because it gets over looked in classic RE after 1 and 2. Nevermind it is probably the numbered RE that the least amount of people have played since it hasn't been ported nearly as much as the rest.
This is Capcom, the company that didn't hesitate to drop Donovan in favor of Morrigan for the Versus games. The company that makes sure we always get 2 female fighters in each season of SFV. The company who gave us the female Monster Hunter as the default in MvCI. While their motives can certainly be questioned, they do care to a degree. My main concern is if Sakurai is as concerned about this as he was during the Wii U/3DS days.
I mean, it's the price of listening to which characters the fans want. Very few of the most popular picks are female characters with Dixie Kong and Shantae pretty much being the leading two I can think of. And Ultimate was designed on the ideas of realizing fan picks and requests, including bringing back all the previous veterans. That's a sort of back sliding to satisfy fans, which is, at the very least, a little more acceptable.
But the bigger issue is that Smash can't just make OCs and is just a reflection of the gaming industry, particularly Japanese gaming. Far too many third party franchises and especially first party Nintendo franchises don't contain a lot of main characters who are also female, or the females always get lower priority in their own franchises. Smash's vision ends up fundamentally representing that gap in representation because its beholden to the industry around it since all the fighters have to come from other titles. This goes even more so for minorities who are even less represented on average.
I certainly think Sakurai is somewhat aware of these issues, but I also think his vision of a massive crossover title between major franchises will always be the priority and I don't expect him to deviate from that in his choice of characters. The only major issue I see in recent Smash history is the lack of the female alts to Erdrick and Solo... but I suspect Square Enix has some sort of hand in that decision that may have made such a thing impossible. I'm all for more representation in Smash, but it also always seems like a much broader criticism than Smash specifically needs to be made given how reliant Smash is on other things.
And the company that pushed Chris and Leon at the forefront of Resident Evil. Jill has not in any shape or form reached Morrigan levels in terms of crossovers or her own series.
If Jill Valentine makes it in over the other RE reps, how likely would it be that her RE5 outfit makes it in as an alt?
low. I doubt they'd do more than RE1 and RE3, though this could be an alt color somehow.If Jill Valentine makes it in over the other RE reps, how likely would it be that her RE5 outfit makes it in as an alt?
V is way to buff.
Not sure if this artwork has ever made it to the threads. This is a pretty good visual though of the look of Capcom in 2019.
Not sure if this artwork has ever made it to the threads. This is a pretty good visual though of the look of Capcom in 2019.
Yes. I used this artwork to talk up Ace Attorney, lol. I think I've successfully gotten people to actually consider Phoenix Wright as possible.
Jill has the most crossovers out of all the RE characters. Morrigan is also obviously pushed hard for horny kids.
There's a reason why Jills RE3 is more popular on the internet over her vastly superior shoulder pads and beret look.
It's nice to see Dragon's Dogma right next to RE2, even if it's just because of a rerelease.
I still hate how Capcom markets MHW with the standard Hunter's Armor. So many cool looks and they go with the most generic dude in the most generic armor.
Really now?
Well I guess that more important then being relevant to the actual series.
Plus I guess Chris never appeared in any important crossovers before her.
Wait.
I don't think Capcom's own crossovers hold much value here. Aside from oddities like Darkstalkers getting a big focus, there's also the matter that Classic Mega Man almost always gets shafted in favor of X or Volnutt despite Classic being the only Mega Man series to still get new games at this point.
People love Mega Man X like they love Jill Valentine. Not really an oddity by Capcom's part. People fail to realize how big Jill was during after the PSX area. Then RE5 and 6 happened and blighted the franchise.
Jill was relegated to DLC. Not to mention pretty much every crossover after Marvel 2 that had Jill also had Chris.
Goalpost moving. Nice. Want Jill for DLC all you want. Goodness knows how many characters I want that have little chance, just stop acting like she's somehow the mos important RE character. She is in no way guarntied to be th one they'd choose for Smash.
And yet Chris still got to be the one to show up after this so called "blight" passed. Meanwhile JIll got what, the second character in a mobile game?
But it's not like there aren't options, which is part of my concern.
To be fair, they have been using Jill over Chris & Leon in a few recent crossover instances.
To be fair, MvCI was mostly reused assets.
I ordered this from Amazon , gonna receive it tomorrow. Any tips would be appreciated. I've never played a smash game before but i am moderately good at fighting games .
Also is the game season pass woth it ? The main game already has a shit ton of characters.
Also is the game season pass woth it ? The main game already has a shit ton of characters.
He was in the base roster instead of Jill and Jill didn't even get to be in the next game.
But no clearly Jill is the single most important RE character which is why she hasn't been in a mainline game since 5.
Guess Jill wasn't important enough to reuse her then I guess.
Now Nemesis!
My point though is that the crossovers usually take some liberties and don't always reflect the state of Capcom's IPs. Like how Zero and Tron Bonne were the focus of the Mega Man IP in MvC3 with no actual Mega Man playable.
Ehhh... Hero's moveset is more geared towards Erdrick, the sword and shield focused Hero. Luminary isn't generally depicted primarily using a shield, that's Erdrick's thing. It seems like Sakurai had Erdrick in mind when concepting the character, but then changed to Luminary later when dealing with Square/Nintendo
Only 4 out of Dragon Quest's 16 spirits are DQXI related, which doesn't feel like it was focused "mostly on DQXI." And one of those is Luminary's spirit and the other is literally a promo spirit for playing DQXI. The rest of the spirits use the earliest available Toriyama art for the characters, except Erdrick, who uses SNES art.
The stage is w/e. I always feel like stages are some of the last elements planned for new series entering Smash. Look how quickly Green Hill Zone got thrown into the game with Sonic.
I wouldn't take the sorry state of the MvCI roster as proof of anything other than Capcom fucking up royally in almost every way possible.
No one would seriously argue that BioCom 09 Spencer is more important than the entire cast of RE.
Lmao it's really obvious that it's hard pill for you to swallow to say anything good about Jill. She has the most crossovers and a central protagonist of RE, get over it. No one said Chris was never in any important crossovers like MvC3 and...........MVCI.
You keep using that phrase. I don't think you know what it means.
Why? Does it hurt you?
I asked last time to quote anbody besides yuoke that said this. I got radio silence.
Capcom fucked up a character named Rad Spencer.
How do you do that?
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