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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread 7 | King of Fighters: Dream Match Never Ends - (ERA, ARE YOU OKAY!?)

mopinks

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Benimaru and Choi share the same voice actor and I think that’s beautiful

the duality of man
 

RockmanBN

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Where were you when Freddy was confirmed?
 

Lady Bow

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Where were you when Freddy was confirmed?
Damn you beat me to it lol
 

Hikari

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Okay so..... insiders AREN'T ALLOWED to say who fighter #5 is full stop. It might not even leak until 2 days before expected reveal. This is going to be a longer ride then I expected. I saw this being discussed on smashboards.
 

Weiss

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Okay so..... insiders AREN'T ALLOWED to say who fighter #5 is full stop. It might not even leak until 2 days before expected reveal. This is going to be a longer ride then I expected. I saw this being discussed on smashboards.
I'm not going to suggest someone should risk a job for fifteen minutes of internet fame but it's never not annoying when someone goes "I know it's fake but can't tell you teehee"

Insiders during the Grinch Leak? Yeah obviously they're not going to say anything damning, there's way more important things than curbing overemotional nerds who want an answer , but Sabi's just stirring the pot to stay relevant because they have nothing to say.
 

MondoMega

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Where were you when Freddy was confirmed?
I dunno, can’t remember what I was doing months ago when these ports were actually announced? ;)
 
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Hikari

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Well, wouldn't it explain why the supposed insiders aren't commenting on fighter #5 ever? I see how this works. Smash speculation hits a wall.... some arseholes make a fake leak like the Grinch leak to get everyone excited. Now that the mii costume leak is likely 99% fake according to some french discord images of people saying they made it... etc. Basically, we are in for a long ride. I really hope it is VGA then cause I dunno how long I can speculate in this thread without going insane.

Of course, Sabi might be saying whatever but she was receiving a lot of criticism and spoke up.
 

Weiss

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Well, wouldn't it explain why the supposed insiders aren't commenting on fighter #5 ever? I see how this works. Smash speculation hits a wall.... some arseholes make a fake leak like the Grinch leak to get everyone excited. Now that the mii costume leak is likely 99% fake according to some french discord images of people saying they made it... etc. Basically, we are in for a long ride. I really hope it is VGA then cause I dunno how long I can speculate in this thread without going insane.

Of course, Sabi might be saying whatever but she was receiving a lot of criticism and spoke up.
No one said anything about Terry until Nintendo leaked it themselves.
 

Troubled Bat

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I wouldn't doubt it being revealed at the VGAs

I'm just wonder what character is going to end the pass, and if they'll give a number on how many characters will be getting after.
 

Laxoon

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Anyone else heard of this HDR mod for Ultimate? It stands for Hewdraw Remix and it's essentially one guy's project to re-introduce a lot of old Smash tech into ultimate. I know it's probably not to everyone's tastes but it's just the kind of thing I'd love as a big fan of how the old games played.

GENERAL TECH said:
- Higher hitstun scaling, 18 degree DI, 6 unit SDI
- Dash Dancing
- Wavedashing
- Melee ECB behavior and shifts
- Edge canceling
- Shield Stopping
- Shield Dropping
- Parry projectile reflection
- Melee-style tumble (airdodge disabled during tumble, wiggle out of tumble)
- Drop through platforms while running
- Jump cancel grabs
- Airdodge cancel zair and item toss (aerial glide toss returns)
- DITCIT
- DACUS
- Double Jump Cancels (Ness, Lucas, Mewtwo)
- Pivoting/Perfect Pivots
- Ledgehogging (hear me out here)
- More recovery mixups
- More skillful ledge snaps - no more free recoveries, you gotta sweetspot now! Edgeguard away!
- Faster ledge actionability
I'm not even that huge a fan of wavedashing or ledgehogging but stuff like dash dancing, dacus, double jump cancels and especially momentum conservation are great to have. Doing a sliding up smash across the stage with Wario's giant inflating head just feels right ngl. My first time finding out about this so wanted to share.

Here's a bigger list of individual character tech added:
- Bayonetta: Combo system; Cancel Jab 2/3 into Dtilt, Jab 3 into Dsmash, Ftilt into Usmash
- Banjo: Land cancel Egg Firing, airdodge cancel Rear Egg
- Bowser: Jump cancel grounded Bowser Bomb at peak, Flame canceling
- Bowser Jr.: Airdodge out of Clown Kart jump, dash cancel Clown Cannon
- Captain Falcon: Falcon Kick returns double jump
- Corrin: dash cancel Dragon Fang Shot
- Chrom: Soaring Slash cancel into special fall via shield press, jump out of Double Edge Dance fourth high swing on hit, aerial Double Edge Dance stall
- Dark Pit: Fast fall and land cancel Silver Bow shot, cancel Power of Flight early via shield press,
- Falco: Jump cancel Shine on hit, fast fall and land cancel Blaster
- Fox: Jump cancel Shine, fast fall and land cancel Blaster
- Game & Watch: Land cancel Chef, double jump out of parachute during Fire
- Ganondorf: Wizard's Foot returns double jump
- Greninja: Dash cancel Water Shuriken
- Hero: Dash cancel Frizz and Frizzle
- Ice Climbers: Spotdodge and Roll desyncs, Nana actionable during throws
- Ike: Drift during sword toss of Aether, jump cancel Quick Draw
- Incineroar: Cross Chop cancel into special fall via shield press
- Isabelle: Lloid Trap activation jump cancel, Fishing Rod startup shield cancel
- Ivysaur: Airdodge cancel Razor Leaf
- Joker: Fast fall Gun and Eiha, cancel Wings of Rebellion early via shield press
- Ken: Airdashing; Land cancel Tatsumaki; Focus attack cancel Tatsumaki (on hit/shield), Shoryuken (on hit/shield), and grounded Hadoken; Magic Series - Moves lower in the following hierarchy can be canceled into higher ones: Jabs -> Tilts/Dash Attack -> Smash Attacks -> Specials; Aerials -> Specials/Jump; Usmash/Utilt -> Jump
- King K. Rool: Cancel Propellerpack rise early via shield press
- Kirby: Final Cutter cancel into special fall via shield press, land cancel Hammer
- Link: Drift around during grounded Spin Attack charge and release
- Lucas: PSI Magnet jump cancels, PK Fire fast fall
- Lucina: Jump out of Dancing Blade fourth high swing on hit, aerial Dancing Blade stall
- Luigi: Double Fireball, Thunderbrand
- Mario: Double Fireball
- Marth: Aerial Dancing Blade stall
- Meta Knight: Activate Dimensional Cape early
- Mewtwo: Early Teleport cancel via neutral special press
- Mii Gunner: Land cancel Gunner Missile, jump cancel Echo Reflector and Absorbing Vortex
- Mii Swordfighter: Jump cancel Gale Stab
- Ness: PSI Magnet jump cancels, PK Fire fast fall
- Olimar: Cancel Winged Pikmin rise early via neutral special press, airdodge cancel Winged Pikmin
- Pac-Man: Airdodge cancel Bonus Fruit
- Palutena: Early Warp cancel via neutral special press
- Pichu: Jump cancel Quick Attack landing
- Pikachu: Jump cancel Quick Attack landing
- Piranha Plant: Cancel Piranhacopter rise early via shield press
- Pit: Cancel Power of Flight early via shield press, jump cancel Upperdash Arm dash and hit
- Richter: Dash cancel Cross
- Ridley: Drift during Wing Blitz by using control stick, fly left and right during aerial Space Pirate Rush grab by using the control stick and rise by holding shield
- R.O.B.: Jump cancel Robo Beam on hit (face hitbox), dash cancel Gyro
- Robin: Airdodge and dash cancel Thunder
- Rosalina & Luma: Cancel Launch Star early via shield press
- Roy: Aerial Double Edge Dance stall
- Ryu: Airdashing; Land cancel Tatsumaki; Focus attack cancel Tatsumaki (on hit/shield), Shoryuken (on hit/shield), and grounded Hadoken; Magic Series - Moves lower in the following hierarchy can be canceled into higher ones: Jabs -> Tilts/Dash Attack -> Smash Attacks -> Specials; Aerials -> Specials/Jump; Usmash/Utilt -> Jump
- Samus: Land cancel Missile
- Sheik: Airdodge cancel Bouncing Fish on hit, shield cancel Burst Grenade startup, jump cancel Vanish reappearance on hit, early Vanish cancel via neutral special press
- Simon: Airdodge cancel Holy Water
- Snake: C4 fakeout via holding special, Walk during grab hold via side taunt buttons
- Sonic: Airdodge out of Spin Dash and Spin Charge jump
- Squirtle: Jump cancel Withdraw
- Terry: Dash cancel Power Wave; Dash cancel utilt/ftilt on hit; Jump cancel utilt on hit; Rising Tackle on hit cancel into Power Wave, Burn Knuckle, and Crack Shoot; Burn Knuckle on hit cancel into Crack Shoot and Rising Tackle; Magic Series - Moves lower in the following hierarchy can be canceled into higher ones: Jabs -> Tilts -> Smash Attacks -> Specials; Aerials -> Specials
- Toon Link: Drift around during grounded Spin Attack charge and release
- Wario: Turnaround during Bite throw, drift around during back throw
- Wolf: Jump cancel Shine, airdodge cancel Blaster, act out of Wolf Flash on hit
- Yoshi: Jump cancel Egg Roll ending, airdodge out of aerial egg roll
- Young Link: Drift around during grounded Spin Attack charge and release
- Zelda: Early Farore's Wind cancel via neutral special press
- Zero Suit Samus: Dash cancel Paralyzer

More recent changelist here: https://pastebin.com/EEDuDXwR
You can make DK pull barrels out and toss them, it's now gotyay
 

TheDinoman

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Zarzothic

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Okay so..... insiders AREN'T ALLOWED to say who fighter #5 is full stop. It might not even leak until 2 days before expected reveal. This is going to be a longer ride then I expected. I saw this being discussed on smashboards.
Either this is nothing or people got in trouble for a previous leak I'd assume...

Really they're never "allowed" to say anything, but it would be understandable if they've become more cautious for some reason.
 

TheDinoman

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Oct 25, 2017
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Anyone else heard of this HDR mod for Ultimate? It stands for Hewdraw Remix and it's essentially one guy's project to re-introduce a lot of old Smash tech into ultimate. I know it's probably not to everyone's tastes but it's just the kind of thing I'd love as a big fan of how the old games played.


I'm not even that huge a fan of wavedashing or ledgehogging but stuff like dash dancing, dacus, double jump cancels and especially momentum conservation are great to have. Doing a sliding up smash across the stage with Wario's giant inflating head just feels right ngl. My first time finding out about this so wanted to share.

Here's a bigger list of individual character tech added:
- Bayonetta: Combo system; Cancel Jab 2/3 into Dtilt, Jab 3 into Dsmash, Ftilt into Usmash
- Banjo: Land cancel Egg Firing, airdodge cancel Rear Egg
- Bowser: Jump cancel grounded Bowser Bomb at peak, Flame canceling
- Bowser Jr.: Airdodge out of Clown Kart jump, dash cancel Clown Cannon
- Captain Falcon: Falcon Kick returns double jump
- Corrin: dash cancel Dragon Fang Shot
- Chrom: Soaring Slash cancel into special fall via shield press, jump out of Double Edge Dance fourth high swing on hit, aerial Double Edge Dance stall
- Dark Pit: Fast fall and land cancel Silver Bow shot, cancel Power of Flight early via shield press,
- Falco: Jump cancel Shine on hit, fast fall and land cancel Blaster
- Fox: Jump cancel Shine, fast fall and land cancel Blaster
- Game & Watch: Land cancel Chef, double jump out of parachute during Fire
- Ganondorf: Wizard's Foot returns double jump
- Greninja: Dash cancel Water Shuriken
- Hero: Dash cancel Frizz and Frizzle
- Ice Climbers: Spotdodge and Roll desyncs, Nana actionable during throws
- Ike: Drift during sword toss of Aether, jump cancel Quick Draw
- Incineroar: Cross Chop cancel into special fall via shield press
- Isabelle: Lloid Trap activation jump cancel, Fishing Rod startup shield cancel
- Ivysaur: Airdodge cancel Razor Leaf
- Joker: Fast fall Gun and Eiha, cancel Wings of Rebellion early via shield press
- Ken: Airdashing; Land cancel Tatsumaki; Focus attack cancel Tatsumaki (on hit/shield), Shoryuken (on hit/shield), and grounded Hadoken; Magic Series - Moves lower in the following hierarchy can be canceled into higher ones: Jabs -> Tilts/Dash Attack -> Smash Attacks -> Specials; Aerials -> Specials/Jump; Usmash/Utilt -> Jump
- King K. Rool: Cancel Propellerpack rise early via shield press
- Kirby: Final Cutter cancel into special fall via shield press, land cancel Hammer
- Link: Drift around during grounded Spin Attack charge and release
- Lucas: PSI Magnet jump cancels, PK Fire fast fall
- Lucina: Jump out of Dancing Blade fourth high swing on hit, aerial Dancing Blade stall
- Luigi: Double Fireball, Thunderbrand
- Mario: Double Fireball
- Marth: Aerial Dancing Blade stall
- Meta Knight: Activate Dimensional Cape early
- Mewtwo: Early Teleport cancel via neutral special press
- Mii Gunner: Land cancel Gunner Missile, jump cancel Echo Reflector and Absorbing Vortex
- Mii Swordfighter: Jump cancel Gale Stab
- Ness: PSI Magnet jump cancels, PK Fire fast fall
- Olimar: Cancel Winged Pikmin rise early via neutral special press, airdodge cancel Winged Pikmin
- Pac-Man: Airdodge cancel Bonus Fruit
- Palutena: Early Warp cancel via neutral special press
- Pichu: Jump cancel Quick Attack landing
- Pikachu: Jump cancel Quick Attack landing
- Piranha Plant: Cancel Piranhacopter rise early via shield press
- Pit: Cancel Power of Flight early via shield press, jump cancel Upperdash Arm dash and hit
- Richter: Dash cancel Cross
- Ridley: Drift during Wing Blitz by using control stick, fly left and right during aerial Space Pirate Rush grab by using the control stick and rise by holding shield
- R.O.B.: Jump cancel Robo Beam on hit (face hitbox), dash cancel Gyro
- Robin: Airdodge and dash cancel Thunder
- Rosalina & Luma: Cancel Launch Star early via shield press
- Roy: Aerial Double Edge Dance stall
- Ryu: Airdashing; Land cancel Tatsumaki; Focus attack cancel Tatsumaki (on hit/shield), Shoryuken (on hit/shield), and grounded Hadoken; Magic Series - Moves lower in the following hierarchy can be canceled into higher ones: Jabs -> Tilts/Dash Attack -> Smash Attacks -> Specials; Aerials -> Specials/Jump; Usmash/Utilt -> Jump
- Samus: Land cancel Missile
- Sheik: Airdodge cancel Bouncing Fish on hit, shield cancel Burst Grenade startup, jump cancel Vanish reappearance on hit, early Vanish cancel via neutral special press
- Simon: Airdodge cancel Holy Water
- Snake: C4 fakeout via holding special, Walk during grab hold via side taunt buttons
- Sonic: Airdodge out of Spin Dash and Spin Charge jump
- Squirtle: Jump cancel Withdraw
- Terry: Dash cancel Power Wave; Dash cancel utilt/ftilt on hit; Jump cancel utilt on hit; Rising Tackle on hit cancel into Power Wave, Burn Knuckle, and Crack Shoot; Burn Knuckle on hit cancel into Crack Shoot and Rising Tackle; Magic Series - Moves lower in the following hierarchy can be canceled into higher ones: Jabs -> Tilts -> Smash Attacks -> Specials; Aerials -> Specials
- Toon Link: Drift around during grounded Spin Attack charge and release
- Wario: Turnaround during Bite throw, drift around during back throw
- Wolf: Jump cancel Shine, airdodge cancel Blaster, act out of Wolf Flash on hit
- Yoshi: Jump cancel Egg Roll ending, airdodge out of aerial egg roll
- Young Link: Drift around during grounded Spin Attack charge and release
- Zelda: Early Farore's Wind cancel via neutral special press
- Zero Suit Samus: Dash cancel Paralyzer

More recent changelist here: https://pastebin.com/EEDuDXwR
You can make DK pull barrels out and toss them, it's now gotyay
There's another Melee styled mod for Ultimate named Project NX

 

Lady Bow

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Nov 30, 2017
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My insider source on Skull Kid may have failed me but I now can assure you that FP #5 is Buck Bumble.
 

DecoReturns

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Oct 27, 2017
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I know who the Fighter is. My sources told me.

But I’m waiting until a legitimate insider talks First before I tell you Era.
 

NotLiquid

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Oct 25, 2017
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You can view it one of two ways.

On one hand, the fact that a majority of "insiders" aren't saying anything anymore may be in direct deference to the fact that come E3 time, some may have been given cold feet on the back of the most "public" one claiming to have been slammed with a cease-and-desist. Before that, there were more than a few eager people pointing out that Hero/Erdrick was on deck. As a result, these people are a lot less willing to talk even if they get info, hence why you'll see Sabi/Vergeben only vouch for Terry (as well as Imran for SNK in general) after Nintendo accidentally spilled the beans themselves. Hard to comment on a "leak" that was brought about by the company's own doing, after all.

Alternatively, the truth of the matter is, as aforementioned, these people aren't really saying much at all when you really think about it. Banjo was on the back of Shinobi (which I'm honestly shocked was such a bold-faced leak), and the fact that these people are only speaking out about stuff it isn't, just comes to show there's not much in the way of real answers you're going to find. Having only to report on who it isn't, is only a conversation as a means of getting involved in the discourse and building up clout as a useful idiot. PapaGenos making so much ado about VRPlant making some kind of a "prediction" that lines up with the Mii Costume leak despite clarifying it has nothing to do with any actual info (as well as the fact that VRPlant supposedly is just someone who gets hand-me-down info right before news is about to drop) feels like the biggest form of overplaying self-importance, because someone now has a "track record" behind them, their "guesses" suddenly matter more and fuel the community's cognitive dissonance. This is why most of the "smart ones" with any knowledge of Smash have started shutting up, because being the center of attention in this community is the quickest way to lose.
 

DecoReturns

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If you think about Nintendo’s E3.

There wasn’t much “new” to leak. Everything they showed had already been announced, bar BOTW and smash DLC. Banjo was hinted at and DQ was assumed by everyone lol
 

Mekanos

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Oct 17, 2018
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If you think about Nintendo’s E3.

There wasn’t much “new” to leak. Everything they showed had already been announced, bar BOTW and smash DLC. Banjo was hinted at and DQ was assumed by everyone lol
tbh until Banjo and BOTW2 I was pretty underwhelmed by Nintendo's E3.

Those two turned it around right quick though!
 

Weiss

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Oct 25, 2017
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Well my Terry is getting a little better. I think I'm starting to see what everyone else does in him.

That being, A-A-A-Down B.
 

Crashman

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Cameo wise, Chang and Choi are connected to Kim, and Kim's a Fatal Fury character, so its fine, its fine. Goro without Benimaru is weird though. I don't think its because he's a shamless Jojo reference, because if that were the case we wouldn't have a Guile AT. Maybe someone on the Smash team has it out for him. I do think Leona probably should have been there though she has little connection to Terry.
 

KtotheRoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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I just found the results.

It was

How many more characters do you expect to get in Ultimate (not including Fighter Pass 1)

2
3
4
5
6
7
10 (Wave 2 and Wave3!)


5 got first place with 184 votes
10 (wave 2 and Wave3!) got second with 120 votes
3 got third with only 75 votes
Neat. So most people around here are expected at least a second FP worth of characters. 😁