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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate Downloadable Contents Discussion Thread | The Wild Ride is still on!

Apr 15, 2019
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They aren’t going to include weapons civilians could actually use. Good luck getting a ten year old to get his hands on a rocket launcher.
What he said, the distinction seems to be "Nothing an ordinary person could get"

Of course they COULD just give Doomguy his iconic melee attacks, but it just doesn't seem right without the ol' shotgun. BFG might be an option though

I think somebody like say Heavy Weapons Guy (Despite being a never-ever) might have a little more wiggle-room in this department since he is a very cartoony character and his signature weapon is one no ordinary person could get their hands on
 
Oct 30, 2017
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Off topic but I'm REALLY surprised we haven't gotten extra costumes/skins for some characters, whether it be paid or free. I'd personally like to see within reason

Mega Man - Proto Man, Bass
Link - Zora Armor, Magic Armor, OoT, Twilight Princess
Donkey Kong - Punch Out Wii
Young Link - Razor Sword/Gilded Sword + Mirror Shield
Ganondorf - Twilight Princess, Hyrule Warriors
Snake - Big Boss
Luigi - Mr. L
Bowser - Dry Bowser
Yoshi - Boshi
Cloud - KH Cloud
Zelda - Twilight Princess, Hyrule Warriors, BOTW
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The irony is if the SMRPG cast was owned by Nintendo they would still be collecting dust.
Yeah, pretty much. I don't get why Geno fans keep saying "ugh, why doesn't Square-Enix just sell him to Nintendo if they're not going to be using him!", when in reality it's not like Nintendo would ever do anything with him either outside of maybe super small cameos. Such are the ways of being a Nintendo owned character not actually created by them...
 
Oct 17, 2018
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Yeah, pretty much. I don't get why Geno fans keep saying "ugh, why doesn't Square-Enix just sell him to Nintendo if they're not going to be using him!", when in reality it's not like Nintendo would ever do anything with him either outside of maybe super small cameos. Such are the ways of being a Nintendo owned character not actually created by them...
I mean just look what it took to get K. Rool back.
 

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Yeah, pretty much. I don't get why Geno fans keep saying "ugh, why doesn't Square-Enix just sell him to Nintendo if they're not going to be using him!", when in reality it's not like Nintendo would ever do anything with him either outside of maybe super small cameos. Such are the ways of being a Nintendo owned character not actually created by them...
I wonder if we are going to see similar situation for Lana or another HW character like 10 years later since Toei probably co-owned the right
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Yeah, pretty much. I don't get why Geno fans keep saying "ugh, why doesn't Square-Enix just sell him to Nintendo if they're not going to be using him!", when in reality it's not like Nintendo would ever do anything with him either outside of maybe super small cameos. Such are the ways of being a Nintendo owned character not actually created by them...
Considering the people that made SMRPG still make games for Nintendo I don't think it's farfetched to think they'd have reused characters if they could.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I meant for Smash Bros.
Ah. Well, I don't see any complications rising. Koei Tecmo isn't Square Enix. If Sakurai asked for a character to use, particularly a character that both KT and Nintendo had some level of co-ownership over, they wouldn't be against it. They certainly did nothing to block Yuri appearing as an AT with Fatal Frame visual/sound effects.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder if we are going to see similar situation for Lana or another HW character like 10 years later since Toei probably co-owned the right
I meant for Smash Bros.
Hyrule Warriors didn't even get anything in Ultimate, lmao

Like the only reason Geno even made some kind of appearance in Smash 4 and Ultimate is because of the cult following he's had. I don't think Lana or the other HW originals have that going for them.
 
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Hyrule Warriors didn't even get anything in Ultimate, lmao

Like the only reason Geno even made some kind of appearance in Smash 4 and Ultimate is because of the cult following he's had. I don't think Lana or the other HW warriors have that going for them.
Yup, I wasn't surprised that we didn't see any Hyrule Warrior contents in Smash Bros but I'm speaking as what if the group who like to back Lana has been growing over the time in 10-15 years where Lana support would become much similar to Geno support.

I have seen some requests from few fans here for Lana but outside of ERA, not much. I'm really curious to see if the fanbase would multiple over the time or not. I think Zelda fans are more focused on one-time characters from mainline games.

Ah. Well, I don't see any complications rising. Koei Tecmo isn't Square Enix. If Sakurai asked for a character to use, particularly a character that both KT and Nintendo had some level of co-ownership over, they wouldn't be against it. They certainly did nothing to block Yuri appearing as an AT with Fatal Frame visual/sound effects.
Oh yeah. Yuri being AT is a thing in Smash Bros. She just feel like a Nintendo character to me for some reason unfortunately.
 
So what I'm hearing is people want Wart as a Zelda rep.
Crazy, I played Link's Awakening for the first time a couple years back and somehow completely missed the fact that Wart was in it.

I wonder if we are going to see similar situation for Lana or another HW character like 10 years later since Toei probably co-owned the right
I can imagine all the "But Lana is a super awesome character from a classic game that totally deserves to be in over (insert Main protagonist from current big game/franchise here)!" fueled by a comment by Sakurai saying he was thinking of putting someone from Hyrule Warriors as a possible character.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Considering the people that made SMRPG still make games for Nintendo I don't think it's farfetched to think they'd have reused characters if they could.
Nah, at some point, Nintendo seems to have put some kind of brand guidelines that heavily limited the use of Mario characters created by people outside of their core teams. Just look at Paper Mario - for a while Paper Mario characters were even being added to games like 64 DS (Goomboss) and Mario Party (Star Spirits), but nowadays they aren't even used by Paper Mario itself.
 
Yeah, pretty much. I don't get why Geno fans keep saying "ugh, why doesn't Square-Enix just sell him to Nintendo if they're not going to be using him!", when in reality it's not like Nintendo would ever do anything with him either outside of maybe super small cameos. Such are the ways of being a Nintendo owned character not actually created by them...
I mean hey, there was that one interview with a producer at Alphadream who was talking about Geno and Mallow.
"I was wondering if that might be some way to approach using Geno and Mallow in a future game, so that we’d still be able to look for fun new ideas like Mr. Ohtani was talking about. We wouldn’t get bogged down, but we could still provide a view of these characters for fans who really want to see one.”
If anyone was going to use them it'd definitely be them (for obvious reasons that I probably don't need to explain).

Nintendo literally doesn’t allow RPG original characters anymore.
I mean, we just got two remakes chock-full of original characters, and the latter of them even introduced new characters in the added sub-mode.

So this isn't really true at all.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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We have Mario Rabbids spirits and Tokyo Mirage spirits, so it's not like third party games starring Nintendo characters couldn't have gotten, at least, a spirit or two
I guess the difference there is that Nintendo published Tokyo Mirage Sessions and Mario + Rabbids (in Japan for the latter). Hyrule Warriors meanwhile, was only published by Nintendo in the west, whereas Koei Tecmo had the honor in Japan. Same thing with Fire Emblem Warriors.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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I mean, we just got two remakes chock-full of original characters, and the latter of them even introduced new characters in the added sub-mode.

So this isn't really true at all.
Those games get away with it because they're remakes though. The new mode adds a couple of new characters, but even the recent Paper Mario have had new enemy variations and one or two original characters. It's all still clearly limited compared to before.
 
Those games get away with it because they're remakes though. The new mode adds a couple of new characters, but even the recent Paper Mario have had new enemy variations and one or two original characters. It's all still clearly limited compared to before.
It's seemingly limited, sure, but they can clearly still use older original characters and design new ones if they so desire. The villains added in the BiS remake's sub-mode are a bit different from the enemy variants and "original characters" in the recent Paper Mario games; actually being completely unique designs.
 
Oct 17, 2018
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I mean, we just got two remakes chock-full of original characters, and the latter of them even introduced new characters in the added sub-mode.

So this isn't really true at all.
They weren't going to remake the games and remove literally every character. I know you know what I mean.

Tanabe: "Aside from wanting us to change the atmosphere a lot, there were two main things that Miyamoto-san said from the start of the project—'It's fine without a story, so do we really need one?' and 'As much as possible, complete it with only characters from the Super Mario world.'"
 
Oct 27, 2017
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They weren't going to remake the games and remove literally every character. I know you know what I mean.

Tanabe: "Aside from wanting us to change the atmosphere a lot, there were two main things that Miyamoto-san said from the start of the project—'It's fine without a story, so do we really need one?' and 'As much as possible, complete it with only characters from the Super Mario world.'"
And is their interview where they say this is now law?