I love Mega Man, and he's probably my favorite guest character in Smash Bros., but I do think it's weird that he's heralded as this big icon of the NES era by people who downplay Banjo's popularity, when the two N64 Banjo games outsold all of the NES Mega Man games combined -- that's way fewer games on a less successful console.
Because you really have to factor in Mega Man far beyond those six NES games. He's had countless spin-off series (X, Battle Network, Legends, Star Force), multiple TV series, piles of merchandise... he's had a pretty major "down period" in the past 10 year or so, but compared to Banjo, his impact is so much bigger.
Banjo-Kazooie essentially had two big, big games, one divisive-at-best followup, and a handful of cameos. No cartoons or comics or multi-media blitz. No Banjo cereal. They probably got a plushie or two, maybe?
I never owned an NES, and didn't own any Mega Man games until... I think Battle Network on the GBA? But growing up in the 90s he felt ubiquitous to me. If you didn't buy either of the N64 games, how visible was Banjo-Kazooie, really?
Yeah, Banjo basically got robbed after the buyout. If that didn't happen I'd imagine Banjo would be one of the many Nintendo character still getting games.
You make this alternate reality sound absolutely horrifying.The alternate universe would have had Banjo Kazooie be made by Retro, and Metroid Prime series never happening.
BK gets into Melee instead of Ice Climbers. Grunty makes Brawl instead of ZSS. Metroid forgotten as a series only ever gets Samus.
Yeah, Banjo basically got robbed after the buyout. If that didn't happen I'd imagine Banjo would be one of the many Nintendo character still getting games.
This is where I stand myself. I just can't see more then one western character at most getting in.Tbh i think you guys put too much stock into western newcomers. At best, we're only going to get one (and that is a big if by itself).
The alternate universe would have had Banjo Kazooie be made by Retro, and Metroid Prime series never happening.
BK gets into Melee instead of Ice Climbers. Grunty makes Brawl instead of ZSS. Metroid forgotten as a series only ever gets Samus.
Oh, god. Remember that time in one of the Smash threads when someone tried arguing this bit had to have been included as a developer's fetish fodder?
Banjo's the only dead franchise I think is worth considering in speculation, and that's mostly because the opportunity to work with Microsoft wasn't there before. If he's passed up I think that's telling that Sakurai rejected the most wanted dead franchise from Smash.
Yeah that was weird.Oh, god. Remember that time in one of the Smash threads when someone tried arguing this bit had to have been included as a developer's fetish fodder?
And there's absolutely different criteria for DLC characters than ones included in the base game.I think there are different criteria for third party series than for first party Nintendo franchises.
Who the fuck was arguing that?!?Oh, god. Remember that time in one of the Smash threads when someone tried arguing this bit had to have been included as a developer's fetish fodder?
Yea unfortunately. I hoped it was a troll.Oh, god. Remember that time in one of the Smash threads when someone tried arguing this bit had to have been included as a developer's fetish fodder?
I got a copy of Grunty's Revenge and I say it's legitimately good and worth of being Banjo-Threeie, imo. Sadly that game (and Banjo-Piilot) was never released in Japan or considered canon in the events that follows in Nuts & Bolts :\Remember when there was a full banjo game on the GBA
I nevber played it but skimming through a long play it seemed fairly involved and a reasonable approximation of the first 2 games's playstyle in an isometric perspective. I'm honestly surprised I don't hear more about it, even if it was maligned
That was good timesOh, god. Remember that time in one of the Smash threads when someone tried arguing this bit had to have been included as a developer's fetish fodder?
I honestly don't even remember. It came up with saying that samus was sexualized as much in the prime trilogy as in other m or something, he was going on about that throwing up part.
Aw that's a shame, I was wondering how they handled it.I got a copy of Grunty's Revenge and I say it's legitimately good and worth of being Banjo-Threeie, imo. Sadly that game (and Banjo-Piilot) was never released in Japan or considered canon in the events that follows in Nuts & Bolts :\
Well that's a thing.I honestly don't even remember. It came up with saying that samus was sexualized as much in the prime trilogy as in other m or something, he was going on about that throwing up part.
I can't remember. I'd recognize the avatar, but I haven't seen a post from them in months. It opened the door on a pretty wild conversation that went on for over a page until a moderator forced everyone back on topic (which was for the best).
But, hear me out
what if Banjo does have a future? The sudden introduction of new merchandise last year (the plushie, Totaku figure, First 4 Figures statue, etc) for the 20th Anniversary sure felt strange, and I really do think that something is going on over at Microsoft that involves the bear and bird.
At the very least, they are consistently used in promotional material for the Game Pass (which shows that they do value the IP in some way).
Microsoft is even bringing back Perfect Dark and Battletoads, I'm sure they'll revive Banjo when they find a developer for the series.
That's a blast from the past. Cybersai hadn't even been banned yet.I found it somehow. This is the first post they made, and then it turned into a thing.
https://www.resetera.com/threads/su...ch-for-the-chairs.62624/page-36#post-11584756
remember when there was a Perfect Dark game on the Game Boy Color
you're better off not remembering
Literally no one cares about PD0.If Rare brings back Perfect Dark, would they use Perfect Dark 1 Joanna or PD0 Joanna?
Probably classic Joanna.If Rare brings back Perfect Dark, would they use Perfect Dark 1 Joanna
or PD0 Joanna?
It's actually surprisingly good, although a bit shortRemember when there was a full banjo game on the GBA
I nevber played it but skimming through a long play it seemed fairly involved and a reasonable approximation of the first 2 games's playstyle in an isometric perspective. I'm honestly surprised I don't hear more about it, even if it was maligned
Definitely classic. The 0 one is almost too similar to zss. The first one is more unique.If Rare brings back Perfect Dark, would they use Perfect Dark 1 Joanna
or PD0 Joanna?
Isn't Perfect Dark Zero a prequel, thus Joanna being younger there? .. besides the classic design being nostalgic and preferred by many, wouldn't make much sense a younger Joanna unless they make.. another prequel.If Rare brings back Perfect Dark, would they use Perfect Dark 1 Joanna
or PD0 Joanna?
It has KOS-MOS, Chun-Li, and even Rabbid Peach, so yes, even if I have to bite the bullet on Geno.Second Fighter Pass, no new stages:
- Geno
- Kos-Mos (Home Stage Xenoblade franchise)
- Rabbid Peach (Home Stage Mario Franchise)
- Dixie Kong
- Chun-Li
Do you buy?
Hmmmm.Second Fighter Pass, no new stages:
- Geno
- Kos-Mos (Home Stage Xenoblade franchise)
- Rabbid Peach (Home Stage Mario Franchise)
- Dixie Kong
- Chun-Li
Do you buy?
Second Fighter Pass, no new stages:
- Geno
- Kos-Mos (Home Stage Xenoblade franchise)
- Rabbid Peach (Home Stage Mario Franchise)
- Dixie Kong
- Chun-Li
Do you buy?
Assuming that they all remain relevant going into the next Smash game, you have...Ultimate adding only 1 new Nintendo IP has me a bit concerned about the viability of those in new Smash games. Rhythm Heaven and ARMS are still around assuming they get sequels, but Pirahna Plant's presence has me wondering if we have seen retro series for the last time.
I'll buy every single fighter Smash ever makes because, even if I don't like them, I can fight against them and pretend I'm taking my anger on them for taking the place of more deserving charactersSecond Fighter Pass, no new stages:
- Geno
- Kos-Mos (Home Stage Xenoblade franchise)
- Rabbid Peach (Home Stage Mario Franchise)
- Dixie Kong
- Chun-Li
Do you buy?