That's why I said "half" clone. Ideally, she'd be like Dr. Mario, Falco or Wolf in that she would share some traits with Palutena, but would be mostly a new character.
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That's why I said "half" clone. Ideally, she'd be like Dr. Mario, Falco or Wolf in that she would share some traits with Palutena, but would be mostly a new character.
Isn't Jigglypuff referred to as female in Smash?
Or was that just the anime? It's been a while since I've see the show to be honest.
Or was that just the anime? It's been a while since I've see the show to be honest.
Thanks for saving me the time. Plus well probably have Isabel as well. It's really sad to see when someone is misrepresenting an issue just to push their agenda.
This is what people (such as yours truly) took umbrage with.
I'm not saying Sakurai can't make Dixie as echo fighter work. I am saying "do we really want to agree with a poster who said she is Diddy in drag with a new Up-B"?
There's a difference between discussing female representation (which is perfectly okay) and attacking other users that want Isaac/Geno/etc. in.
I think it's fair to want either, especially since the situation is too nuanced to make the unique female newcomer a 100%, no brainer option. Not that I wouldn't want the latter to happen at all, considering I want Dixie, Mythra and Elma (not some of the others you mentioned though, like Primarina. Hard pass.)
It's not an exchange, this isn't a hostage situation and it's not straightforward. Arguments can be made for both sides.
I dunno if Jigglypuff has been specifically gendered in Smash but they've always been female coded.
I dunno if Sakurai's doing semi-clones like Wolf and Lucas for this game, which is a shame.
A lot of those characters are either gender picks or avatars, though.
I'd rather have Mipha just because she'd be more uniqueLet's just cancel Skull Kid and replace with Urbosa.
Well to be fair Street Fighter V has way less characters so the average for female characters in SFV is better than Smash which is the point she's trying to make.
I said that I have no problem with people wanting any specific character or group of character. I merely said that the rumored newcomer roster is disappointing.
I don't think any Pokemon aside from Ivysaur and now Pikachu with the Pikachu Libre alt have had their gender specified in Smash.
Eww...no, leave mipha out. Waifubait vs badass gerudo chick.
No, although if they add Spiky Eared Pichu from HGSS, she is always female.
Pichu's line doesn't develop gender differences until evolving into Pikachu.
The only pokemon in smash with a confirmed gender is Pikachu, who was male in Brawl/4 and now has a gender option in Ultimate.
People just refer to puff as she because it's a feminine looking pokemon and it wears hats associated with girls in pokemon.
I wouldn't say they're doing that at all. There's still far more characters that are exclusively male. Nintendo has plenty of great female characters (or characters whose gender is selectable) that can still be included, so they should add more to help even things out. I don't think that's wrong or "pushing an agenda". Like, what agenda? The agenda to play as characters that match your own gender, or characters that you're attached to? Wow.
Then stop doing stuff like this:
It's more an issue of there not being a ton of main female characters left, which goes on the industry more than sakurai.
Me: "Birdo would make a great echo!"
Y'all: "Outrageous! Her mouth is too weird and she'd have a different up B! Too much work."
Also Y'all: "Dixie would be a perfect echo. Sure, she has no tail and uses her hair and has a different up-B, but that's no biggie."
Y'all: "Outrageous! Her mouth is too weird and she'd have a different up B! Too much work."
Also Y'all: "Dixie would be a perfect echo. Sure, she has no tail and uses her hair and has a different up-B, but that's no biggie."
It was a reply to people saying that "imperfect consolation prize Echo for Dixie" is fine.
This discussions that has been going on all day is a little ridiculous.
Every single character can have a unique moveset, and in a perfect world they would. But we all know echo fighters are a compromise that allows us to get a character playable at the cost of their own unique moves. And that's still pretty cool.
While every character CAN be unique, not every character can be an echo. Only specific characters can line up move-wise to the original character. Dixie is one of those that would pretty much work. Yeah she could be unique, but she can also very easily be a slightly modified Diddy echo, just like Chrom is a slightly modified Roy echo. This makes it incredibly likely for her to get in the game versus incredibly unlikely. Characters like Isaac and Geno and Skull Kid would never be able to work as echo fighters of any playable character currently in the game. Therefore if any of them would get in they absolutely would need to be unique. Dixie isn't "competing" against those kinds of picks. She's competing against picks like Impa and Medusa who could also work as echoes.
And regarding the whole female fighter debate, that is also ridiculous to continue to bring up. Most fighting games, and video games in general, have a female character problem. We all know why. And as a massive crossover of various video game franchises, obviously Smash is going to by nature have that same issue. But despite that, there are actually quite a lot of female characters on the roster (both wholly female and characters that offer both male and female versions). Sakurai has done a pretty good job about inclusion in this regard.
I don't think a character being female alone should be what increases their chances to get into the game or not. Dixie should get a spot, but that doesn't mean characters like Isaac shouldn't. Etc.
Every single character can have a unique moveset, and in a perfect world they would. But we all know echo fighters are a compromise that allows us to get a character playable at the cost of their own unique moves. And that's still pretty cool.
While every character CAN be unique, not every character can be an echo. Only specific characters can line up move-wise to the original character. Dixie is one of those that would pretty much work. Yeah she could be unique, but she can also very easily be a slightly modified Diddy echo, just like Chrom is a slightly modified Roy echo. This makes it incredibly likely for her to get in the game versus incredibly unlikely. Characters like Isaac and Geno and Skull Kid would never be able to work as echo fighters of any playable character currently in the game. Therefore if any of them would get in they absolutely would need to be unique. Dixie isn't "competing" against those kinds of picks. She's competing against picks like Impa and Medusa who could also work as echoes.
And regarding the whole female fighter debate, that is also ridiculous to continue to bring up. Most fighting games, and video games in general, have a female character problem. We all know why. And as a massive crossover of various video game franchises, obviously Smash is going to by nature have that same issue. But despite that, there are actually quite a lot of female characters on the roster (both wholly female and characters that offer both male and female versions). Sakurai has done a pretty good job about inclusion in this regard.
I don't think a character being female alone should be what increases their chances to get into the game or not. Dixie should get a spot, but that doesn't mean characters like Isaac shouldn't. Etc.
So? It's still antagonistic for no reason. Step up and be better than the people you disagree with.
Isn't that an alt skin? I'd swear there was one extra revealed with him.
She's literally a woman awaiting for a man to save her. The fact that she's also holding back Ganon doesn't change that fact; you can be a damsel in distress while not being completely useless. And that's from an in-game point of view; mechanically she's even more of a straightforward damsel.
I thought I had read it off in trophy description regarding Jigglypuff as "She".
In Dark Samus' footage, Meta Ridley is shown using Ridley's standing up tall taunt. Meaning he's an alt.
Yeah, it just wasn't one of his alts in the demo yet it's been shown off a lot, idk. Just wondering what y'all would think if he was
So you'd rather her not be in the game at all? Thats pretty selfish.
so it's different in Ultimate now or do we not know?
Red's Venasaur was male in the games
sure but you said it has less female fighters than every other major fighting game and that's just not true
it's looking good for isabelle and dixie. chun li deserves to be in there. hopefully toon zelda/toon sheik happens one day.
and twintelle is totally gonna be dlc!!!
We don't know for a fact that all echoes have new animations for all taunts.
The demo didn't allow you to pause, and it was only really possible to see the seed via moving the camera to clip into her bulb.
Yes, he's an alt color, not an echo.
My post totally didn't say he was an echo before I edited it, nope.
I think Springman will be DLC with a Ribbon Girl Echo/Skin
I'd prefer Helix to any ARMS character though.
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