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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate DT9 | News, Site Updates, and Speculation | The Day the Music Died
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Why did the esrb leak say disabald? Mistakes happen in projects this big and things change during development.
There basically two points against the changes in the background being different
- The official version of the empty battlefield apparently was animated, pair that with blurriness and you can explain the discrepancies
- They couldve changed it
Not necessarily. Smash For had 15 non-Echo new characters and 21 with DLC. Ultimate would only have 10, 16 with Echoes.
It's too blurry for my liking. I can only see the top.
Things like the width of the waterfall and the shape of the crystals on the platform aren't going to be non-static elements. It would also be pretty weird if 95% of the cloud formations matched exactly but just a few little pieces here and there weren't static and changed shape.
Yes, good point... even when considering only the launch roster, the larger amount of echoes in Ultimate means that Smash 4 had a significantly higher number of unique newcomers.
The Smash 4 newcomers also had alot of new mechanics and custom moves to also develop. Honestly getting 10 suddenly doesn't seem that outlandish with what they did with 4's cast
Animation doesn't explain some of the differences, like C.
Brawl also had 18 unique newcomers with no straight up clones, just semis like Lucas, Wolf and Toon Link.
@IntelliHeath I have the only endorsement that matters for my subtitle
Smash 4 also had much larger development burdens in other areas... like the requirement to make 2 versions and the huge amount of new stages. Not to mention that it was the first HD Smash game, meaning a much larger amount of time was presumably consumed by creating high quality assets that can now be reused in Ultimate.
At which I guess I'll point at Sourcegaming's early data, where Custom Robo seemed to be four times as big as Takamaru. (0.5% versus 2.3%)
I used to think Takamaru was really popular in Japan, but I've seen very little evidence of that. If anything, he seems to be much more popular here. At any rate, I end up feeling like it's silly to compare which Famicom rep that no one but nerds remember is more deserving on popular grounds, because them being in at all is in defiance of decisions based on the grounds of popularity.
As an amiibo collector, I'm going to be so happy if this leak is real :]
My wallet won't be, but we have a strained relationship
My wallet won't be, but we have a strained relationship
And in fairness, according to another leak that corroborates THE BIG ONE, Custom Robo was GOING to have a rep this time around... :P
You're probably right. It just comes down to who Sakurai thought would be more interesting. I really hope Mach Fighter is cool (and a sorely needed female character), then, because I think a fully realized Takamaru would be amazing, even if some of his stuff like ninja stars were taken by Swordfighter.
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Don't get me wrong. I would chose Grinch Leak roster over Kencineroar leak in heartbeat in term of roster choices but there is something that I just can't believe in the leak. But it's just nuts how people would be so aggressive toward to people who doesn't believe in the leaks which made me feel somewhat wary about people in this community. Also I'm more concerned that people would be really upset and angry if the leak ended up being fake.
Verge and a Box have destroyed any good discussion for quite a while.
The real Smash Ultimate leaks were the friends we made along the way.
The problem is that most of the ones saying that it's fake don't really have anything other than "blurry picture" and "wishlist roster" so it's just intuition vs intuition and y'know if people have a hard time swallowing that then that's fine.
It's the insiders that are trying to claim it's fake but won't give us any reason why that might be and to only take their word for it. Of course people won't react that kindly and it comes off more as attention grabbing or ass covering in case it is real then it does trying to put out the fire and get people back on the ground.
Those 2 things have basically made Incineroar my most hated Pokemon
Okay, regarding the "It's not a static image" argument: Yes, it is actually.
(2:34:38 in case the timestamp doesn't work)
The screen transitions to Smash Ultimate and shows the empty mural background for a split second before it fills in with all the characters. None of the visible background elements move afterward, and there's no reason for the non-visible background elements to be moving because they're non-visible. Just because it's on a screen doesn't mean it's moving or that it's an ingame render. It's still just the artwork but on an LED screen.
(2:34:38 in case the timestamp doesn't work)
The screen transitions to Smash Ultimate and shows the empty mural background for a split second before it fills in with all the characters. None of the visible background elements move afterward, and there's no reason for the non-visible background elements to be moving because they're non-visible. Just because it's on a screen doesn't mean it's moving or that it's an ingame render. It's still just the artwork but on an LED screen.
it is certainly too late
the man got death threats for making waluigi an assist
if incineroar is in the reveal will get more down votes than federation force
The leak is way more to my tastes than the rest of the additions would be, so the disconnect does have me a little wary. Not to mention that it's a lot of additions when we were already being primed to keep our expectation low. If it turns out to be fake I'll be a little disappointed, but I won't be too surprised, and I was already a little disappointed anyway.
That said, I also can't think of a good reason why it isn't real. Correct me if I'm wrong, but hasn't it been postulated that even the disconnect with the informations leakers have may be due to incomplete information?
All we have is them potentially having good faith that Incineroar is in the game but nothing else beyond that from what we can see. Nothing that disproves it directly but calls it into question
*shrug*
Smash Ultimate is already shaping up to be amazing. If this leak turns out to be the case then it just gets upgraded into literal dream game.
And besides, the only thing disproving the leak is a bunch of insiders who won't actually say anything.
Or even claims it directly proves it to be fake but rather contradicts it and calls it into question which can also apply to their source. So it's really their source against this leak
The burden is always on the leak to prove itself real. Or, at least, convince people that it is.
I'm already satisfied, the newcomers so far have pretty much filled the biggest glaring gaps in the roster.
Whether we get an extra special bonus on top of that like this leak won't affect my overall enjoyment.
It's doing a pretty good job thus far.
The insiders (and ftr I want to stress that I believe them all to be credible and well researched and probably just nice and handsome blokes) all potentially have info that could end this right now, and they're not saying anything.
Same to the insiders that claim it's fake.
We have no reason to give them the time of day especially after all the other stuff they've gotten wrong especially in regards to Nintendo if they aren't going to give us the necessary proof for it. It's also worth noting none of them claim the leak is totally fake but that it's more likely to be based on their info.
Honestly the only way I'd be disappointed is if the Kencinieroar leak turns out to be real. If this big leak REALLY is fake, fine, I'm not upset. Just. Please not Kencineroar. At least let it be Incineroar and Shadow. Or some other character and Ken. The two of them together is just SUCH a boring note to end on. Like. I'd get over it since it's an amazing roster already but. Geez.
They're not going to say anything if it means getting a source in trouble or violating an NDA. They know that the truth would come out eventually, so there's no pressure to disprove it.
Which is fair, but if they're going to come in and outright say it's fake it'd be nice if they backed it up. At least by saying "I've directly seen evidence that proves X character is/is not in the game."
I'm starting to feel like the big name "leakers" were fed some false info along with real info by Nintendo acting through their "sources" so as to protect the identity of the rest of the roster. Give away a couple of early reveals, so that the Banjos and Genos can remain secret.
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