Discussion in 'Video Games' started by Regulus Tera, Nov 3, 2018.
Credit to everyone in the Smash thread for finding it. For reference:
It's really disappointing. The imagery it's referencing is terrible.
That's probably gonna get patched out at some point.
Yeah, that's def not okay.
Probably unintentional but still yikes... hoping it's getting patched out
I can already see cheeky assholes spam the move with a red G&W online.
Which, I mean
I suppose from the outside looking in, if you wanted to see if America still made fun of native americans and googled, you'd probably come away with the impression that we're all pretty fine with it.
Still a bad look and I hope they change it.
Yeah, that's not acceptable.
Hopefully this thread or Twitter or something reaches Nintendo and they remove it.
tweet it at bill
This kinda reminds me of that class in Bravely Second that got changed for the international version. If Nintendo's localization team hasn't already caught this (I'd be shocked if they haven't) I'm sure it'll be fixed in no time.
Probably gonna patch this out like they did the inkling pose in mario kart 8.
I had a feeling this would pop up.
Is it the charicatures that makes this racist? Or the fact they’re burning the fort? Cause the cowboy on the fort doesn’t look any better/worse tbh. Honest question
yikes...they have to patch that out.
patch that out and include Misango as an apology to all natives people
Glad my post in the main thread could be useful here. I get why they would think to do it, but I don't understand how the idea could make it this far. For better or for worse Smash isn't set up to treat subjects like racism with the respect they deserve and the idea of this being part of a celebration of the Game and Watch's role in Nintendo's history really strikes me the wrong way.
It'll most likely be patched in the west, replacing the native with someone else
I doubt they'd remove it from the Japanese version but I could see that being problematic in the NA version, yeah. If people tweet at Bill it might be possible to have it cut out in a day 1 patch or something.
When keeping it real goes wrong
It's really unfortunate that Mr. Game & Watch appears to have gotten so much better between the changes in his moves' functionality and appearance, but this one... should have just stayed the way it was.
very disappointing, hopefully they fix it with a day 1 patch.
Yeah they'll need to fix that somehow.
There's absolutely no way this isn't taken out by a Day 1 Patch. Nintendo Treehouse ain't having it.
it's rather weird when they had a working version with no problems in past games and then they fall into this kind of problem.
luckily it should be an easy patch due to how G&W works.
I don't see that as racist.
I've only known about the Wario modern version. Huh. That explains why.
Non-American looking for education here. Is it the Hiawatha styling or the fact that he's angry with a torch?
i think the only nintendo games with different builds across different regions are splatoon 2 which has 3 (japan, NA ane europe) and xenoblade 2 (one for japan, one for the rest of the world, likely due to them being unable to include both japanese and english VA on the cart)
It was likely harmless attempt at trying to get closer to the source material, but yeah it should be patched out
Is it the large cartoon teeth that are the primary problem? I'm unsure of which is old and which is new. Just looking for specifics
"Native American holding a torch" isn't enough for me, but the specific style could be offensive.
Hopefully this gets patched out in a Day 1 update.
That's... not a great look. I wonder how this got past the Treehouse?
whoa... did not expect it to be THAT
Hopefully there'll be a scrubbin
It's worth noting that the character video for Pikachu has G&W old forward smash, without the sprite changes.
They either updated the sprite recently, or it's a regional difference in the Japanese version.
Either way they should switch it back to the old version. It would take very little effort to revert it and avoid the controversy.
Holy fuck, so it was lowkey racist this entire time?
I thought is was like a match or just a torch without any real context. Even if they remove the feather it will forever be ruined for me lol.
That G&W game itself is insanely racist, holy hell, imagine if that came out today.
Not everything in Nintendo's history is worth referencing. Hopefully this is patched out.
I posted a cringed gif in the Smash thread when this first came up. And I stand by that reaction.
Hopefully this is patched out quickly.
Yep that's racist hopefully it gets changed and Nintendo hears about it.
Uh it’s not that big of a deal. Should they change it, hmm I guess so. I don’t see them intentionally being racist. But to be safe they should patch it out.
I’m Native American FYI.
This is such a difficult issue. I'm not sure that pretending that something doesn't exist, and never did, is the way to resolve it. Perhaps a disclaimer on boot up, stating that this is a product of the time, that such a thing wouldn't be considered right today but that it has been included to highlight attitudes of that time for historic reasons (like with the old Tom and Jerry cartoons) would be better?
I don't understand what's the problem with that image, can someone explain the context and why is offensive? First time seeing it.
I’m not trying to de disingenuous or funny but I don’t see it. And by “I don’t see it” I mean i can’t even understand what’s going on in that second picture. Is Mr. game and watch getting strangled by a white mallet? Help me understand what’s wrong here!