1. Regulus Tera

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    Update:
    Original post:
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    Credit to everyone in the Smash thread for finding it. For reference:
    I know there are Treehouse people in here, so hopefully this reaches them soon.
     
  2. max.rem

    max.rem
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    It's really disappointing. The imagery it's referencing is terrible.
     
  3. JazzmanZ

    JazzmanZ
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    That's probably gonna get patched out at some point.
     
  4. Triscuitable

    Triscuitable
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    Yeah, that's def not okay.
     
  5. celigio

    celigio
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    Probably unintentional but still yikes... hoping it's getting patched out
     
  6. chaobreaker

    chaobreaker
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    I can already see cheeky assholes spam the move with a red G&W online.
     
  7. Imran

    Imran
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    I don't think it's unintentional in that they didn't realize what the image was, but they were probably referencing an already racist thing without realizing that attitudes about it have mostly changed.

    Which, I mean

    I suppose from the outside looking in, if you wanted to see if America still made fun of native americans and googled, you'd probably come away with the impression that we're all pretty fine with it.

    Still a bad look and I hope they change it.
     
  8. Hero Alice

    Hero Alice
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    Yeah, that's not acceptable.

    Hopefully this thread or Twitter or something reaches Nintendo and they remove it.
     
  9. Calvero

    Calvero
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    tweet it at bill
     
  10. RochHoch

    RochHoch
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    This kinda reminds me of that class in Bravely Second that got changed for the international version. If Nintendo's localization team hasn't already caught this (I'd be shocked if they haven't) I'm sure it'll be fixed in no time.
     
  11. Yukinari

    Yukinari
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    Probably gonna patch this out like they did the inkling pose in mario kart 8.

    I had a feeling this would pop up.
     
  12. Xeontech

    Xeontech
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    Is it the charicatures that makes this racist? Or the fact they’re burning the fort? Cause the cowboy on the fort doesn’t look any better/worse tbh. Honest question
     
  13. ToddBonzalez

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    yikes...they have to patch that out.
     
  14. Mr. Fantastic

    Mr. Fantastic
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    patch that out and include Misango as an apology to all natives people
     
  15. Dyle

    Dyle
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    Glad my post in the main thread could be useful here. I get why they would think to do it, but I don't understand how the idea could make it this far. For better or for worse Smash isn't set up to treat subjects like racism with the respect they deserve and the idea of this being part of a celebration of the Game and Watch's role in Nintendo's history really strikes me the wrong way.

    Yes please
     
  16. Kinanza

    Kinanza
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    It'll most likely be patched in the west, replacing the native with someone else
     
  17. Crayolan

    Crayolan
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    I doubt they'd remove it from the Japanese version but I could see that being problematic in the NA version, yeah. If people tweet at Bill it might be possible to have it cut out in a day 1 patch or something.
     
  18. TheOGB

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    When keeping it real goes wrong

    It's really unfortunate that Mr. Game & Watch appears to have gotten so much better between the changes in his moves' functionality and appearance, but this one... should have just stayed the way it was.
     
  19. Nanashrew

    Nanashrew
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    They'll likely revert it back to standard Game & Watch design like you saw in past games. There's no other Game & Watch game that uses fire sticks or the like.
     
  20. Harpoon

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    Game & Watch Gallery 4 removed the feather and presented the characters as just being generic "bandits." They might go that route.
     
  21. Sacul64

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    In the main smash topic a user pointed out that they removed the feather in one of the G&W gallery games.
     
  22. mazi

    mazi
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    very disappointing, hopefully they fix it with a day 1 patch.
     
  23. Yeah they'll need to fix that somehow.
     
  24. Nanashrew

    Nanashrew
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    That's good to know. They could probably go that route.
     
  25. Mariolee

    Mariolee
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    There's absolutely no way this isn't taken out by a Day 1 Patch. Nintendo Treehouse ain't having it.
     
  26. Madao

    Madao
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    it's rather weird when they had a working version with no problems in past games and then they fall into this kind of problem.

    luckily it should be an easy patch due to how G&W works.
     
  27. sdp

    sdp
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    I don't see that as racist.
     
  28. I've only known about the Wario modern version. Huh. That explains why.
     
  29. Dr. Mario

    Dr. Mario
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    Non-American looking for education here. Is it the Hiawatha styling or the fact that he's angry with a torch?
     
  30. Amaterasu

    Amaterasu
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    His appearance changes with his moves now.
     
  31. mazi

    mazi
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    it doesn't work that way. most of nintendo's games are one build on all regions. they have the same code, they just play in different languages based on your system's settings. so a patch would be pushed to all carts from all regions.
    i think the only nintendo games with different builds across different regions are splatoon 2 which has 3 (japan, NA ane europe) and xenoblade 2 (one for japan, one for the rest of the world, likely due to them being unable to include both japanese and english VA on the cart)

    are you native-american?
     
  32. Phendrift

    Phendrift
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    It was likely harmless attempt at trying to get closer to the source material, but yeah it should be patched out
     
  33. NappingRat

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    Is it the large cartoon teeth that are the primary problem? I'm unsure of which is old and which is new. Just looking for specifics
     
  34. Yeah, I'm wondering this too.

    "Native American holding a torch" isn't enough for me, but the specific style could be offensive.
     
  35. Neoxon

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    Hopefully this gets patched out in a Day 1 update.
     
  36. Zero-ELEC

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    That's... not a great look. I wonder how this got past the Treehouse?
     
  37. halcali

    halcali
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    whoa... did not expect it to be THAT

    Hopefully there'll be a scrubbin
     
  38. Mipmap

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    It's worth noting that the character video for Pikachu has G&W old forward smash, without the sprite changes.
    https://youtu.be/7LfEvnLc3mI?t=13

    They either updated the sprite recently, or it's a regional difference in the Japanese version.

    Either way they should switch it back to the old version. It would take very little effort to revert it and avoid the controversy.
     
  39. Masozi

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    The style's stereotypical, but the game it's from is the main reason people don't like this. That game has a (presumably white) person fighting off hordes of Native American people trying to burn a fort down.
     
  40. Spinluck

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    Holy fuck, so it was lowkey racist this entire time?

    I thought is was like a match or just a torch without any real context. Even if they remove the feather it will forever be ruined for me lol.

    That G&W game itself is insanely racist, holy hell, imagine if that came out today.
     
  41. Khanimus

    Khanimus
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    Not everything in Nintendo's history is worth referencing. Hopefully this is patched out.
     
  42. KtotheRoc

    KtotheRoc
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    I posted a cringed gif in the Smash thread when this first came up. And I stand by that reaction.

    Hopefully this is patched out quickly.
     
  43. Vivi

    Vivi
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    Yep that's racist hopefully it gets changed and Nintendo hears about it.
     
  44. I mean... no one would know that just from this animation in Smash. I feel like it would be more conspicuous in an odd seemingly-lack-of-care put into the move if they replaced it with the old animation.
     
  45. mazi

    mazi
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    there's no difference between regions. them announcing all versions have the 11 languages confirms the game is the same build across all regions. would be REALLY fucked up if the had a specific japan build just to include a racist reference
     
  46. LOCK

    LOCK
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    Uh it’s not that big of a deal. Should they change it, hmm I guess so. I don’t see them intentionally being racist. But to be safe they should patch it out.

    I’m Native American FYI.
     
  47. Metal B

    Metal B
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    I also don't get it. Is it the image or the context?
     
  48. This is such a difficult issue. I'm not sure that pretending that something doesn't exist, and never did, is the way to resolve it. Perhaps a disclaimer on boot up, stating that this is a product of the time, that such a thing wouldn't be considered right today but that it has been included to highlight attitudes of that time for historic reasons (like with the old Tom and Jerry cartoons) would be better?
     
  49. Nemesis162

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    I don't understand what's the problem with that image, can someone explain the context and why is offensive? First time seeing it.
     
  50. AztecComplex

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    I’m not trying to de disingenuous or funny but I don’t see it. And by “I don’t see it” I mean i can’t even understand what’s going on in that second picture. Is Mr. game and watch getting strangled by a white mallet? Help me understand what’s wrong here!

    You and me both!
     
  51. mazi

    mazi
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    isn't it explained itt? it references mr. game&watch from a game he was in where the game itself has a racist premise.