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Super Smash Bros. Ultimate |OT2| Everyone Is Here!
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Aside from a generally really solid kit, he's got some tools that are absolutely ridiculous. His Down B (the whistle) gives him super armour and can be cancelled, making it an incredibly defensive tool, his Up Smash comes out ridiculously fast, and depending on which Pikmin lineup he has available, has insane throws with blues, knockback with purples, damage output for his side B with whites, and the other 2 colours are generally solid.
The biggest downside of Olimar is that he's light, but he's got a good recovery and even an off-stage tool defending his recovery with side B.
They still get out-ranged by him, so it's not like the match is free.
I fight a large amount of Snakes whose strategy is spamming specials and bouncing around, and then Stinger when offscreen. I don't think I've fought a Snake who wasn't like that anyway.
Any Snake who doesn't abuse their tilts ain't playing right tbh
Got Lucas back into Elite Smash, and actually made some progress against the Links who are a really bad matchup for me.
S'truebob, swear on me mum. Like 90% of my Snake matches have been against dudes who just bounce around throwing grenades and mines.
S'truebob, swear on me mum. Like 90% of my Snake matches have been against dudes who just bounce around throwing grenades and mines.
When the game came out it was unplayable for me due to heavy online/input lag things. My internet was fine, no problem with any online games.
How is the situation nowadays? Do these issues have been fixed?
How is the situation nowadays? Do these issues have been fixed?
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I'm really curious how good you are so we should have some matches in the future.
I actually have no idea how to set up matches or anything lol
Just, I got like 200+ hours sank into this game. I feel like I should be better.
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Just make a plan here or SmashERA discord or set up battle arena and share room ID/add a friend. Simple!
My gawd, the game set me up entirely against people in Elite Smash this entire session when I'm at least 300k from getting in. Also I learned I'm not nearly as good at fighting Snake as I thought.
Despite not actually being good with Lucas the time I put into trying to get good rekindled my love for Mother 3 so I'm playing that now, which is nice.
Alright. Oh and I only have wi-fi if that's a hindrance to anything.
Despite not actually being good with Lucas the time I put into trying to get good rekindled my love for Mother 3 so I'm playing that now, which is nice.
Alright. Oh and I only have wi-fi if that's a hindrance to anything.
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The hell, I just had a Mewtwo use his A Mash on me for 60% damage twice.
Yeah it should be in the Records section.
As for rank, think of GSP as a standard for how good you are. It's more than a little arbitrary and you'll frequently fight people far above and below you.
Yeah it should be in the Records section.
As for rank, think of GSP as a standard for how good you are. It's more than a little arbitrary and you'll frequently fight people far above and below you.
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Came up with some buffs I'd like to see for Lucas.
- Faster PK Fire, or longer range. Something that makes it more easily abusable since it's Lucas' main zoning tool. Also let PK Fire still go off when landing while casting. AFAIK there aren't any other characters who flat out whiff the move when landing, but then there's lots of characters I haven't played.
- More stun on DAir so it isn't so easily punished. I've had way too many times where people fall out of it and immediately counter me to the point of making the most next to unusable for anything other than spiking specific characters.
- Up Smash's startup knocking people into it, like Inkling's Up Smash. I'd like it to be faster but I guess that defeats the point of it being sort of a trap move you're supposed to plan to use.
- Larger hitbox on Down Smash.
- Faster PK Fire, or longer range. Something that makes it more easily abusable since it's Lucas' main zoning tool. Also let PK Fire still go off when landing while casting. AFAIK there aren't any other characters who flat out whiff the move when landing, but then there's lots of characters I haven't played.
- More stun on DAir so it isn't so easily punished. I've had way too many times where people fall out of it and immediately counter me to the point of making the most next to unusable for anything other than spiking specific characters.
- Up Smash's startup knocking people into it, like Inkling's Up Smash. I'd like it to be faster but I guess that defeats the point of it being sort of a trap move you're supposed to plan to use.
- Larger hitbox on Down Smash.
Those last two are insane to buff on moves that already are devastating. Down smash hits through ledges and up smash hits through platforms. They're already big ol hit boxes
if you learn how to short hop wave bounce pk fire with Lucas, that's pretty much the buff you are looking for. I'll see if I can't find a video for ya
AAAAAAHHH
I DID IT
I FINALLY BEAT NESS AS LUCAS
I know about short hop PK Fire, but what's a wave bounce?
I DID IT
I FINALLY BEAT NESS AS LUCAS
I know about short hop PK Fire, but what's a wave bounce?
I hope with update 3.0, they change some annoying moves. Many of them aren't overpowered, just very boring to fight against or watch on streams. For example making PK Fire less annoying to deal. They don't need to nerf the characters or moves, just rebalance them.
My top 3 moves, which should be rebalanced: Ness's PK Fire, Wolf's Blaster and Ike's Nair.
My top 3 moves, which should be rebalanced: Ness's PK Fire, Wolf's Blaster and Ike's Nair.
Is it scrubby to say that I think Incineroar's Revenge needs to be nerfed? A no cost huge buff that makes Alolan Whip, already a really strong move, do upwards of 80 damage.
Anyway I think I need to incorporate ZAir more into Lucas' moveset. I feel like it'll help me gimp opponents and hit them with Forward Tilt and A Mash.
Anyway I think I need to incorporate ZAir more into Lucas' moveset. I feel like it'll help me gimp opponents and hit them with Forward Tilt and A Mash.
I gotta say I am a fucking master of doing well in the first chunk of a match and getting my opponent down to their last stock with tons of damage only to butt fumble the entire thing in the last minute and hand them the victory.
Anyway, turns out I really should be using ZAir during matches. Especially against heavy opponents it staggers and opens them up for follow ups which is something I've really been struggling with using Lucas.
Anyway, turns out I really should be using ZAir during matches. Especially against heavy opponents it staggers and opens them up for follow ups which is something I've really been struggling with using Lucas.
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Yes. Like all counters, it makes him a sitting duck to throws.
Hell, no. Revenge is more then just a counter, it is also his Refelctor. If people spam moves, you can collect the damage, to give it back.
I feel like I have put in more than enough time, tried a bunch of different strategies, but must come to the conclusion that Simon Belmont sucks. I get that he's supposed to be a primarily zoning character but every single one of his moves is so goddamn slow. There's barely anything in his arsenal to clear out someone comboing you. As everyone knows, his recovery fucking sucks, even the tether recovery is really weird and unpredictable.
He doesn't need a power buff since his attacks are pretty strong, but he needs some buffs. His projectiles neeeeed to come out faster. Side Smash needs to come out a split second faster.
Fun character but I've been hovering around 200k GSP with him for too long and I think I'm ready to call it quits.
He doesn't need a power buff since his attacks are pretty strong, but he needs some buffs. His projectiles neeeeed to come out faster. Side Smash needs to come out a split second faster.
Fun character but I've been hovering around 200k GSP with him for too long and I think I'm ready to call it quits.
Jigglypuff! Despite being a simple model the change in color helsp a lot, as does her skin now having a reflective property and the eyes have depth to them.
She has a couple tweaks to her animations (her pummel is now a kick, she tip toes on her slow walk, some extra bounce here & there) but just generally faster, more expressive, and she faces the camera more.
Looks like Jigglypuff's curl has a bit of physics to it now. And while we now know Jigglypuff apparently has fur, Smash makes her even more balloon like with her skin texture.
I like that she can be angry in more attacks now, because she's adorable when angry
It's hard to imagine Smash without Jigglypuff
I like that she can be angry in more attacks now, because she's adorable when angry
It's hard to imagine Smash without Jigglypuff
To think she's by far one of the most requested to get cut on the regular.
At least we have Dark Pit (and probably Daisy) to be the punching bag for cut heavy people to focus on now.
ROB, Ice Climbers, Dr. Mario, Pichu, Young and Toon Link, Wii Fit Trainer, Dark Pit, Miis, Wolf, various FE characters and Pac-Man all have been pretty popular targets. I imagine that Isabelle and Piranha Plant also are going to be (not sure about Daisy).
Jigglypuff hatred outlived them all, and even survived several of these characters being cut in one or two games.
Pac-Man? Why Pac-Man? I've seen the others at various times but I don't think I've seen Pac-Man specifically ,that's weird.
The best part of JIgglypuff outliving them all is she's survived nearly being cut twice, at least.
& my theory is if Mewtwo had been simpler to implement (somehow), he'd beat out Jigglypuff for that coveted "Sonic delayed the game so we can add more characters" slot.
I agree, I think Mewtwo's complexity was his downfall in Brawl
Jigglypuff was basically ported right from Melee. Mewtwo couldn't have been done like that due to not only his complexity as a character but also because his actual design was outdated. Fire Red and Leaf Green made substantial changes to how Mewtwo looked, while Jigglypuff could get away with a slightly dated design
Jigglypuff was basically ported right from Melee. Mewtwo couldn't have been done like that due to not only his complexity as a character but also because his actual design was outdated. Fire Red and Leaf Green made substantial changes to how Mewtwo looked, while Jigglypuff could get away with a slightly dated design
How do you fight Fox and Sonic as Lucas? They're way too fast for me to keep up. Is it something where a lot of grabbing helps?
On the plus side I'm getting a lot better at fighting Ganondorfs. Used to be I really hated them but now I'm all "I'm here, Ganondorf, you big fucking nerd. Where's my goddamn money?"
On the plus side I'm getting a lot better at fighting Ganondorfs. Used to be I really hated them but now I'm all "I'm here, Ganondorf, you big fucking nerd. Where's my goddamn money?"
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Jigglypuff at every step of the process has lucked out from being built heavily off Kirby, from Smash 64 to present. Jiggs, of all characters, really deserved to have their Classic mode based on Smash 64.
and hey just for fun, let's remember Mewtwo in Melee.
To what would have been the at-minimum for Brawl
I think this model is from PBR but it's a good baseline
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Don't forget Cloud and Duck Hunt. Also Bayonetta.. Those three still getting the requests to be cut from the roster.
I've never seen Cloud, but yeah, Duck Hunt and Bayo for sure. I still see the odd G&W too.
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Cloud requests happened because people were too frustrated with dealing Cloud online.
I kind of don't really consider Pichu a Gen II rep because he was included due to being an easy work off of Pikachu...
Sometimes I wonder if Sakurai had more time for Melee which Gen II Pokemon he would've gone with. I think Scizor.
Generation III would've definitely been Blaziken and Generation V...I think Zoroark or Genesect if Smash 4 came out a few years earlier.
Sometimes I wonder if Sakurai had more time for Melee which Gen II Pokemon he would've gone with. I think Scizor.
Generation III would've definitely been Blaziken and Generation V...I think Zoroark or Genesect if Smash 4 came out a few years earlier.
I think Sakurai would have gone with Pichu no matter what. It was one of the most marketed and popular second generation Pokémon back in the day, and Togepi and the legendaries don't really feel like playable Smash Bros. material.
If Sakurai had time for additional unique characters he probably would have put that attention towards other series.
If Sakurai had time for additional unique characters he probably would have put that attention towards other series.
If there was a unique Pokemon newcomer in addition to Mewtwo AND he wanted a gen 2 rep specifically rather than going with Charizard, I could see one of the starters. They're definite safe Pokemon to go with regardless of timeline within a generation
Maybe Totodile? A tiny light weight with some power behind him, visually distinct, could easily grab Ash's totodile for personality. Anecdotally totodile felt like the most popular of the 3 starters. I can easily see Totodile appealing to Sakurai.
Mannnn now I want Totodile...
Maybe Totodile? A tiny light weight with some power behind him, visually distinct, could easily grab Ash's totodile for personality. Anecdotally totodile felt like the most popular of the 3 starters. I can easily see Totodile appealing to Sakurai.
Mannnn now I want Totodile...
Gen II's starters always live in Gen I's starters' shadows, they never really held onto popularity like the other gens' starters.
Suicune or Tyranitar would have worked as a full fledged Gen II rep, although Pichu works fine too, considering breeding and baby Pokemon were a big deal in Gen II.
Suicune or Tyranitar would have worked as a full fledged Gen II rep, although Pichu works fine too, considering breeding and baby Pokemon were a big deal in Gen II.