Supernatural Season 14 |OT| Nobody Else Wanted to Make It

Aug 22, 2018
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It was great to see Castiel kicking ass. I've missed that. Current Cas couldn't take down one Winchester, let alone both at the same time.

You don't live with an angel who can heal your injuries. Cas has been saving those boys from chronic back pain for years.
Haha, that's definitely true! I wish I had a Cas. Dean can get thrown into a wall and be fine. I can sleep wrong and be sore for days. :D

Speaking of Kick-Ass-Cass, I would love to know his backstory in that timeline. There's got to be a reason why he's a murderbot.
But seriously the best part is that someone finally called Cas Constantine
I definitely laughed out loud at that.
 
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I'm surprised they brought him back at all, after spending all those years shitting on him and trying to replace him with Bobby.
Wait, what? They never shat on John or Jeffrey Dean Morgan. They talked about how the character was a bad dad sometimes, but not outright trying to ruin the character. And they have tried to get the actor back for years anyways.

Also, I miss Bobby.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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I was 18 when Supernatural started.
I was 12. I'm here for life, nothing is gonna stop me from watching it through to the end.

But seriously the best part is that someone finally called Cas Constantine
That was the best part of the episode, that and Zachariah.
Wait, what? They never shat on John or Jeffrey Dean Morgan. They talked about how the character was a bad dad sometimes, but not outright trying to ruin the character. And they have tried to get the actor back for years anyways.

Also, I miss Bobby.
Alt Bobby is somewhere out there kicking ass and taking names. Really sucks they didn't give us a scene with Alt-Bobby and Mary confusing the everliving fuck out of John by telling him they're a couple.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Wait, what? They never shat on John or Jeffrey Dean Morgan. They talked about how the character was a bad dad sometimes, but not outright trying to ruin the character. And they have tried to get the actor back for years anyways.

Also, I miss Bobby.
Nah he's right, some episodes went way beyond a "bad dad" thing and veered into straight up cruelty. But it was mostly dependent on the writer or showrunner at the time. In fact JDM said himself that he mostly wanted to come back to make things right after they painted John in a bad light for such a long time

Anyway, the episode was good, although I can't imagine how they could have fucked it up.

However it wasn't worthy of a 300th (the lame-ass part about Lebanon's kids make sure of that), and it noticeably lacked any kind of creativity or risk-taking. It was your standard wish gone wrong story. Angel made this better almost 20 years ago (I Will Remember You).
 
Jul 25, 2018
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Nah he's right, some episodes went way beyond a "bad dad" thing and veered into straight up cruelty. But it was mostly dependent on the writer or showrunner at the time. In fact JDM said himself that he mostly wanted to come back to make things right after they painted John in a bad light for such a long time

Anyway, the episode was good, although I can't imagine how they could have fucked it up.

However it wasn't worthy of a 300th (the lame-ass part about Lebanon's kids make sure of that), and it noticeably lacked any kind of creativity or risk-taking. It was your standard wish gone wrong story. Angel made this better almost 20 years ago (I Will Remember You).
I think the main problem is everyone got so hyped up for JDM's return, and for #300 in general, that it's always going to be hard to meet the hype. That's why other episodes will ultimately be far more memorable, like for me there's the Groundhog Day one with Dean dying over and over, the Scoody Doo one, etc.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I think the main problem is everyone got so hyped up for JDM's return, and for #300 in general, that it's always going to be hard to meet the hype. That's why other episodes will ultimately be far more memorable, like for me there's the Groundhog Day one with Dean dying over and over, the Scoody Doo one, etc.
I dunno, the last two previous landmark episodes both lived up to the hype afaic, and then some.

Point of No Return had so many memorable moments. Dean's goodbye letter and suicidal tendencies, Bobby's amazing speech to try to pull him out of it, Castiel kicking Dean's ass, Dean killing Zachariah.

Fan Fiction was a brilliantly written episode, a love letter to the fandom that ended with the Amulet's comeback and Chuck's cameo.

The 300th though really only has a concept going for it. I never felt like they tried to go above and beyond. From the second Sam talked about the wish-granting pearl, the rest played out exactly like I expected. It was just... safe. Now I'm a sucker for the earlier seasons so it still worked but I wish I got more. I don't think they have the talent for that anymore though.

Also there would have been more time for a fleshed out story if they hadn't bothered with the fucking kids' perspectives, which sucks up a good fourth of the episode. Like come on, you've got JDM for the first time in 12 years and you're wasting time on a bunch of kids we'll never see again ?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Just saw the 300th episode. I thought it was really well done, especially considering the limited time they had to shoot with JDM and wanting to do something that doesn’t majorly shakeup the current plot. Some really heart wrenching moments. JDM is such a great actor, I hope he comes back for more sometime down the road.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Another thing. How can it be that "the lore is clear" that destroying the pearl unravels its changes when the pearl has never been destroyed? Or are there several of them now?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Another thing. How can it be that "the lore is clear" that destroying the pearl unravels its changes when the pearl has never been destroyed? Or are there several of them now?
I want to say when they first talk about the pearl they say it’s one of only eight that exist.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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That episode destroyed me. I've been following the show live since the start, and man.... seeing John again was incredible. But most of all, it was the conversation between him and Sam that got me the most. It was crazy that after all these years, they finally got to have a heart to heart and make amends.

However, I do agree that the concept for the episode was somewhat meh. The original plan for the episode was to tell it from the townsfolk perspective, to see how they percieve the Winchesters. Would likely have been a pretty funny one. They clearly kept some of the leftovers of that for the first 10-15 mins, but it felt like time wasting. However, once John appeared, it was fantastic.

Also it's great to see that the writers still remember how badass angels were at one point. I really miss S4/S5 Castiel. Seeing him again, even if briefly, was a treat.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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I'll freely admit I had trouble accepting this episode for what it was. I found the episode lackluster after years of imagining ways he could be brought back. Mainly due to how it was so clear that it would all be wiped clean, ez pz. But I am glad they finally brought him back even if it was for a short. Sam and Dean so rarely get any kind of actual resolution, and I feel like this finally resolved "Dad". So good for them.

My GF on the other hand cried during it. So I am clearly in a different place with the show than people still tied in.
 
Oct 29, 2017
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It was a good episode but overall (imo) it wasn't as good as I was hoping. The stuff with John was fine but the other things were just a bit meh, the whole escaped monsters bit was just a bit lackluster and boring and felt like it took away from more time they could've spent with their dad instead and the overall story apart from bringing John back was a letdown.

It wasn't as good as the other big 100th/200th episodes imo. It just felt really compacted and quick, quite simple when all was said and done.

Hopefully it's not the last time we see John though.