Someone please confirm this, but I was told they were charging higher initial fees to get the game in the epic store. In addition, I heard they don't let devs release batches of keys. Can anyone confirm?
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T2 CEO - Ancestors and The Outer Worlds are 6-months exclusive to EGS, coming to Steam later on
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The backslash you see with EGS and it's exclusive is the same you saw with microsoft and Tomb raider.
It is not the same as say, bayonetta 2 & 3, because that type of exclusive is not about sony / microsoft /nintendo paying so that a studio doesn't release a game on other platform, it's them financing from the get go the creation of that title.
In one case us customers benefit from that exclusivity in the form of seeing a game made which, for all we know, otherwise wouldn't have been made. In the other we see a game get released on less platform(s) ( or later ) with no benefit for us, just because billion $£€ corporations doesn't want our money spent elsewhere.
If Outerworlds Steam release is bumped up by 6 months, it'll make the sting of having to wait so much more tolerable.
Sadly I am thinking that this CEO just doesn't know what's going on with each specific title.
Sadly I am thinking that this CEO just doesn't know what's going on with each specific title.
Because PC is supposed to be an open platform.
Another example would be if someone decided that it was time to require a paid subscription to play online games on PC too. There'd be a backlash and rightfully so. Just because something is normal on consoles doesn't mean people want it on PC.
I totally get that PC is an open platform. So why is everyone okay with steam conrtolling the marketplace for the better part of a decade?
Maybe I'm completely off base but I thought the majority of PC gamers use steam?
There are no "initial fees" to launch in any modern game store. The only thing comparable is having to pay for dev kits or such for certain platforms.
I mean, they absolutely do have a huge amount of soft power over sales of PC games. They gain millions of new users per year and many people consider Steam the store for PC games without considering alternatives. I don't think it's unfair for people to call it a monopoly when you consider the scope compared to other launchers (bearing in mind that monopoly does not necessarily insinuate 100% control, that would be referred to as a pure monopoly).
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We do, but that does not prevent us from buying games through various sources, whether it's say GOG or from vendors selling keys cheaper than Steam. We can then activate those games on Steam or add them as 3rd party games, effectively keeping Steam as the primary launcher. While I am annoyed at having to use say uPlay for Ubisoft games, I can still buy those games also on Steam or physical copy.
What Epic does differently is that they have timed exclusives on new games which means the only place to buy is their store.
Steam is very popular, but it is not a monopoly.
Thanks for the clarification. Like I said, I currently do not game on PC so I wasn't aware that you can activate keys not bought through steam.
The biggest PC games aren't even on Steam. Examples include every Blizzard game like World of Warcraft and Overwatch, every EA game like Battlefield and Fifa, Leauge of Legends, Fortnite, Apex Legends and the list goes on and on.
Steam isn't really controlling the PC market place at all. They encourage people to sell their games on as many stores as possible as opposed to the way Epic are currently doing things. And every game sold outside of the steam store itself net valve 0% and yet there are 0 difference between games bought from steam and games bough from say, amazon.com
Is it now policy to warn or give brief bans to people who sarcastically characterize EGS exclusivity periods as simple delays for games coming to PC? That's a completely unnecessary reaction to an innocuous means of protest and exactly the kind of thing that's driving PC-centric posters away from this forum. Meanwhile stuff like this:
skates clean by.
Mods, you're not helping.
This got a chuckle out of me.Don't forget that The Outer Worlds will be day ONE on the Windows Store
I've already adjusted to The Outer Worlds (the only EGS moneyhat I actually care about) being a late 2020 release, but it would be nice if it's just a 6 month delay.
I'm just happy I'm no longer as impatient as I was in my 20s.
Because it's an exclusively invite-only club. Which at the same time claims to do oh so much for small indies. Lolz.
I'm just happy I'm no longer as impatient as I was in my 20s.
There are no "initial fees" to launch on EGS.
Because it's an exclusively invite-only club. Which at the same time claims to do oh so much for small indies. Lolz.
Yeah no shit. Got to love the crummy moves these little rat fuckers are pulling. Open platform and freedom of choice is being restrained by these greedy pricks. Oh well, as I said before with the glut of new games coming out all the time it isn't hard to wait out stuff like this...shame to se it happen though.
> more choices
> releases exclusively on one store
Ahhh corporate double speak is funny if it wasn't sad we'll have people lap up this PR shit.
Yeah, that's a fucking rich thing to say. :lol> more choices
> releases exclusively on one store
EGS exclusives are less like platform exclusives and more like store exclusives. Imagine if Best Buy paid for full exclusivity (including the digital version) for some big upcoming game and you couldn't even buy it through PSN or the eShop or whatever.
That's coupled with EGS lacking the features of Steam in terms of cloud saves, play time tracking, etc.
It's likely some of all of these deals are sales guarantees rather than up front $, and many of those (more, over time, if the EGS succeeds) will cost epic very little or nothing. Fortnite aside, the investment money they got to do this was considerable, and it's reasonable to expect they have a solid, longterm business plan in place assuming EGS doesn't totally bomb.
Lol, "choice" by limiting which platforms it releases on. Okay.
Because that's the endgame. The moneyhats are only there so they can brag that games sell well on EGS. Once they can prove it, the moneyhats will stop. In a year or so I'll be interested to see how many publishers are willing to go EGS exclusive without the moneyhats, and how many moneyhats EGS are actually handing out.
Epic never want to actually go toe-to-toe with Steam on the same games because Steam (or any other decent PC games store/client for that fact, such as GOG or Origin or heck, even Uplay) will always trounce them, since EGS has no unique selling point for the customer and Epic doesn't want to invest any cash in creating one.
Basically this. If the Fortnite money starts to dry up expect fewer moneyhats and that 12% revenue share to steadily climb. But while they have the cash Epic wants to build a new market for its business (and if they're successful, one that's probably going to provide a more steady long term income than a F2P multiplayer game), and thinks it can prove a point to developers: their games will sell without Steam, so why not release exclusively on EGS (without a moneyhat) with a more favourable share of the profit?
Because that's the endgame. The moneyhats are only there so they can brag that games sell well on EGS. Once they can prove it, the moneyhats will stop. In a year or so I'll be interested to see how many publishers are willing to go EGS exclusive without the moneyhats, and how many moneyhats EGS are actually handing out.
Epic never want to actually go toe-to-toe with Steam on the same games because Steam (or any other decent PC games store/client for that fact, such as GOG or Origin or heck, even Uplay) will always trounce them, since EGS has no unique selling point for the customer and Epic doesn't want to invest any cash in creating one.
This got a chuckle out of me.Don't forget that The Outer Worlds will be day ONE on the Windows Store
My issue is that the 12% vs 30% cut means that 3rd party resellers won't be able to discount the game by 20-25% for pre orders, all Epic is doing is threatening that system which provides good discount for pre-orders or on release.
Six months after release is the minimum to wait for an Obsidian game anyway for bugfixing. So no problem for me 🤭
Great to hear, really excited for Outer Worlds. Ancestors doesn't seem too shabby either.
This is definitely a silver lining.
And most of the bugs will be worked out by then. I guess it's a blessing in disguise...
We are seeing the results of this with borderlands 3 on green man gaming. Since there isn't any discount gmg is resorting to bundling a group of older games.
https://www.greenmangaming.com/games/borderlands-3-pc
I have no interest in that 10 game bundle as I'd rather have a pre order discount.
The game has been struggling to hit the top 10 best sellers list in the USA so it seems like the lack of discount has hurt gmg pre order sales for this title. Truth by told I don't know if gmg can exist in the future without discount pricing. Discount pricing is their hook.
Seriously. Only reason to buy a Obsidian game before that is supporting the devs lol.
I'm aware, I'm just letting this guy know that there aren't fees since he specifically asked.
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Epics activities have turned out pretty well for me, where the games are simply a none starter because of Epic's Store, how they've developed it poorly and how continually untrustworthy they have been towards customers.
With the titles that are exclusive that I had interest in, either the decision to not buy was trivial or it opened me up to a competing game that I've subsequently become vastly more interested in.
In both instances, the need to get the original game has been utterly quashed. I suspect the same will be true for both of these games and others that have had a similar process
With the titles that are exclusive that I had interest in, either the decision to not buy was trivial or it opened me up to a competing game that I've subsequently become vastly more interested in.
In both instances, the need to get the original game has been utterly quashed. I suspect the same will be true for both of these games and others that have had a similar process
I will buy Outer in six months after its initial launch if it still in my mind. Though truth be told, I will probably forget it by then.
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Really sad about Ancestors, but I'm not spending my money on games involved in Epic's store exclusivity deals on pc. Not now, not in 6 months and not in a year.
I mean that's what he thinks will happen. It's not like he has any inside information or anything.
If it becomes so toxic to associate with an exclusive deal with egs, and considering it doesn't look like almost anyone with any decision making power expected any amount of uproar over any of this, then they won't have anything to buy and they'll end a lot sooner than that. You already have devs saying they'll never take any deal. Not to mention their sales have to be pretty bad, we get zero pr shouting about how high they are.
I feel the same. Thanks EGS users for beta testing for me
I'll get the game fully patched and bug free at the next Steam Christmas sale for 50% off
Cool, will buy it 6mo's from now on Steam when it's release deeply discounted, since it's an 'old game' at that point.
Ah who am I kidding, it's going to be counted as a 'new release'.
Fuck Epic.
Ah who am I kidding, it's going to be counted as a 'new release'.
Fuck Epic.
It is, but there's options. For example, I can buy IL-2 Sturmovik either on Steam, or through the developers website, where I can either get a steam key or download the executable from their store.
There are a ton of smaller publishers that don't use Steam, such as battlefront.com and their Combat Mission series, but that's ok! They develop and publish the game themselves, they're not buying out exclusivity.
Yeah please don't source me on anything lol I don't know shit
That's just my read on things
The Outer Worlds is my second-most anticipated game this year, but Epic Games can fuck off. Their bullshit should never be rewarded. I'll happily wait however long it takes.
There are a few games already on the Epic Games store that I would have bought on release (on Steam or GOG), but I doubt I'll care after a year. The many developers selling their games on Steam and GOG thank you for removing yourselves from the competition.
There are a few games already on the Epic Games store that I would have bought on release (on Steam or GOG), but I doubt I'll care after a year. The many developers selling their games on Steam and GOG thank you for removing yourselves from the competition.