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Tarantino refuses to recut OUATIH to placate China, who have banned the film’s release
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Lol right? Imagine trying to profit off the very people you're perpetuating stereotypes against. Fuck Tarantino.
I said nothing about censoring or removing anything. But if you think me not wanting Asians reduced to caricatures in Hollywood means I'm supporting the Chinese government then I'm sorry you feel that way.
china doing the lord's work. if they ban all movies then hollywood will be destroyed, then we can get rid of all of the monopolies and free speech plaguing the united states
So, in a thread about the Chinese government censoring you say this:
And it means you're not in support of censorship? Stop BSing. lol
Variety is a jerk-off extension for Hollywood PR so I wouldn't take anything written there that seriously. Considering the timing, it sounds like they're taking negative controversy around the film and spinning it to capitalize on the China hate that's so popular right now.
China doesn't have anything like the MPAA either so there's no such thing as film ratings and all movies screening in theaters are required to be viewable by an audience of all ages. I'm sure there's censoring of political content but with the way things are designed these decisions to allow or not allow a film can be subjective.
China doesn't have anything like the MPAA either so there's no such thing as film ratings and all movies screening in theaters are required to be viewable by an audience of all ages. I'm sure there's censoring of political content but with the way things are designed these decisions to allow or not allow a film can be subjective.
Bruce Lee didn't live 200 years ago . Tons of people met him and I've yet to read an account stating he was arrogant in fact all accounts say he was quite humble and down to earth.
But that doesn't mean I'm siding with China over anything . It's still art even if not we'll done
The MPAA is an entirely voluntary, private organization. Anyone can ignore them and there are no laws enforcing ratings or who can view movies rated a certain way. The fact there is a national film board in China and that complaints can be filed with it to force changes to movies makes it actual censorship by a government.
I don't know why but I always laugh when I see two alts agreeing with each other.
I'm glad Tarantino didn't cave.
I'm glad Tarantino didn't cave.
I mean if that's how you guys feel that's how you feel. I'm not asking for anything to be censored or removed from this shit movie. What's done is done. I only said that if wanting to appeal to the Chinese market means better portrayals of Asians then I'm all for it. You guys can take that however you want. With that being said. Fuck Tarantino. RIP Bruce Lee, you will forever be the GOAT.
US theaters aren't going to sell R-rated movie tickets to children and no distributor or exhibitor will want to put an unrated movie in theaters. And yeah you can't get arrested or fined for watching whatever movie you want but how is that an issue?
And I'm not stating that the government doesn't censor films there, only saying that all films in theaters need to be viewable by a general audience because film ratings don't exist in China.
So if he edited the film and it was shown in China what would be gained? Lee isn't Chinese, and Tarantino would still be making money.
this thread is fucking wild, man
"Bruce Lee was inaccurately portrayed, his characterization channeled tired Asian stereotypes a touch much, and it was insulting as well as poor optics how he was used as a foil to boost a white dude"
100% bad, 1000% worth criticizing, but also example #1000000 of a movie dropping the ball in this area and more or less in the usual range of shittiness
jumping to "good job censoring the movie, China" is like...so ridiculously disproportionate
this isn't the instance of Tarantino nonsense that requires involving a genocidal authoritarian regime, getting mad on Twitter would do just fine
They don't. China understands stereotypes about as well as your average white ERA member.
Bruce Lee isn't of Chinese descent? You do realize Hong Kongers are ethnically Chinese right?
If that happened I would have shitted on both Tarantino and China.
And Bruce Lee was definitely Chinese even if he had European blood.
I think that person you quoted meant that Lee is American. I don't think many people know that his mother is half German.
How dare a woman get angry about Hollywood depiction of her dead father right?
Nationality wise he may be American but the world will always see him as Chinese first. Asians are prominently seen as perpetual foreigners after all.
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And that's enforced by the government, which has final say on what can and can't be shown. For any reason or no reason.
The point is in the US a theater can (and small ones do) show any film they want to anyone they want. No one can say they can't and no one can punish them with fines or jail time.
I was just reading a thread on gaming side about people crying censorship about SMT #FE Encore...and now I see people here siding with ACTUAL censorship by a tyranical Government because they can't differentiate between critcisizing a movie and CENSORING it.
I'm so confused...
Edit: And yeah, good on Tarantino.
I'm so confused...
Edit: And yeah, good on Tarantino.
Yeah, the decisions made in China are arbitrary but same can be said for the MPAA on what films get an R or PG-13 rating. The thing is though there are safeguards to prevent younger people from seeing certain movies in the US and those safeguards don't exist in China. Growing up I had to sneak into R rated movies all the time by buying tickets to non R-rated ones or I had to convince my mom to take me. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only American kid who had to do that.
And yes, smaller theaters in the US can show any film they want but I also doubt they'd be eager or even willing to sell a ticket to a Gaspar Noe film to an unaccompanied 11 year old. If you're an 11 year old in China though you can buy a ticket to any movie you want because the censors had already deemed it appropriate for someone your age to watch.
If you're saying that this lack of safeguard for Chinese audiences = government censorship then sure... it's government censorship. My point is just that not every decision made is due to some over-looming political ideology and the need to uphold the state. Sometimes it's just some dude in China seeing a very violent or graphic scene and thinking... kids shouldn't see this.
But it wasn't that in this case unless you're arguing the complaint and the delay are unrelated.
How are the two events relates? I mean, it's terrible, but its the same as disregarding american opinions because they are deemed a colective of morons who voted Trump into presidency. China is deplorable on so many levels, but that doesn't mean you are siding with authoritarians when your opinions happens to coincide with their politics. On top of that, people are trying to tell actual asians how they should feel in regards to how the only asian character in the film is used as a mere buffoon, a trait that has accompanied Hollywood and their asian depictions for a very long time.
Lots of posters in this thread criticizing China for its censorship in general without understanding why they do it. We're not only talking about Tarantino's film here.
But I'll stand by my first post in this thread. Variety is a trade publication so I'm not sure if that means they have different standards than PBS when it comes to journalism but I've seen lots of people in Hollywood use it as an extension of their PR campaign. Producers use it to pressure directors / actors into making decisions, negative reviews get changed to positive ones, generating fake hype for a script, etc. I think someone working on Tarantino's film saw a good opportunity to address its biggest controversy and also capitalize on the anger against China.
And they just got lucky that it was delayed for some other reason unrelated to the complaint?
Or, barring additional evidence, we can rely on the simpler explanation.
All these posts applauding Tarantino are weird... he wasn't going to make much money in China anyway with this movie and him having a hero moment over a questionable portrayal of Bruce Lee isn't really earned.
Then you have people saying things like "good going China," like China had the interests of anyone but their state agenda.
Weird thread.
Then you have people saying things like "good going China," like China had the interests of anyone but their state agenda.
Weird thread.
Because his daughter thought the movie was an insult to her father' legacy and directly reported to China to ask for taking actions?