Teen boys rated their female classmates based on looks. The girls fought back.

Oct 25, 2017
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/life...ale-classmates-based-looks-girls-fought-back/

Yasmin Behbehani had just walked into her third-period health class when her friend asked her if she had seen the list.

“There’s a list of the girls’ names,” her friend Nicky Schmidt, a fellow senior at Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School in Maryland, said. “And we’re ranked.”

Behbehani didn’t want to see the list, or know whether she was on it. She had spent the past four years recovering from an eating disorder, working hard to avoid comparing herself with others, she said. But by her sixth-period class on that Monday earlier this month, a text message appeared on her phone with a screenshot of the list, typed out on the iPhone Notes app.

It included the names of 18 girls in the Bethesda-Chevy Chase High School’s International Baccalaureate Diploma Programme, ranked and rated on the basis of their looks, from 5.5 to 9.4, with decimal points to the hundredth place. There, with a number beside it, was Behbehani’s name.

A group of male students in their program created the list more than a year ago, but it resurfaced earlier this month, through text messages and whispers during class. One male classmate, seeing the name of his good friend Nicky Schmidt on the list, told her about it, and within 24 hours, dozens of girls had heard about the list.
They felt violated, objectified by classmates they considered their friends. They felt uncomfortable getting up to go to the bathroom, worried that the boys might be scanning them and “editing their decimal points,” said Lee Schwartz, one of the other senior girls on the list.

“Knowing that my closest friends were talking to me and hanging out with me but under that, silently numbering me, it definitely felt like a betrayal,” Schwartz said. “I was their friend, but I guess also a number.”

But there is power in numbers, too. Dozens of senior girls decided to speak up to the school administration and to their male classmates, demanding not only disciplinary action in response to the list but a schoolwide reckoning about the toxic culture that allowed it to happen.
That same Monday, a group of girls reported the list to an administrator, who encouraged the students not to talk about it around school, Schmidt said. The next day, the girls learned that after an investigation, school officials decided to discipline one male student with in-school detention for one day, which would not show up on his record.
Bethesda-Chevy Chase’s principal, Donna Redmond Jones, said an investigation revealed the list was made during school hours, and that “there was definitely discipline applied,” in line with the district’s code of conduct but that she could not give any more information because of privacy concerns.

Unsatisfied with the disciplinary action, Schmidt texted about 15 girls she knew, and told them to tell all of their friends to show up at the school’s main office the next day during lunch, “to tell them we feel unsafe in this environment and we are tired of this toxicity,” Schmidt wrote in her text.

About 40 senior girls showed up, packing into an assistant principal’s office as Schmidt read a statement she had written.
 

Z-Beat

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Reminds me of the gossip Facebook page someone started when I was in highschool and we had it taken down. It was mean girls themed
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Just read the article. Really good stuff. They spent over 2 hours reading off their prepared speeches in that office, all while the boy credited with creating the list sat there in the office. I'm glad he owned up to it like he did, and I'm glad the girls fought back as strongly as they did. That's a lesson in "not putting up with your shit" they delivered.
 
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Just read the article. Really good stuff. They spent over 2 hours reading off their prepared speeches in that office, all while the boy credited with creating the list sat there in the office. I'm glad he owned up to it like he did, and I'm glad the girls fought back as strongly as they did. That's a lesson in "not putting up with your shit" they delivered.
He also agreed to be interviewed by the Post anonymously and did seem to express regret.
 

Roytheone

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Girls in my class once did this for the guys. I ranked somewhere in the middle. Personally didn't care but I can see why someone would dislike it.
 

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I live in a giant bucket.
“When you have a culture where it’s just normal to talk about that, I guess making a list about it doesn’t seem like such a terrible thing to do, because you’re just used to discussing it,” he said in an interview. “I recognize that I’m in a position in this world generally where I have privilege. I’m a white guy at a very rich high school. It’s easy for me to lose sight of the consequences of my actions and kind of feel like I’m above something.”

While he regrets making the list, he said he was grateful that the girls spoke up. “It’s just a different time and things really do need to change,” he said. “This memory is not going to leave me anytime soon.”

He recalled coming up with the list — which began in the 5 range for girls perceived to be average-looking — during a brief conversation with a friend during a fifth-period English class last year. He said he never distributed the list to anyone else in the grade, and he didn’t know how it began circulating earlier this month. But he took responsibility for what he said was a haphazard, “stupid decision.”

Since that confrontational meeting, a co-ed group of senior students — including the boy who created the list — has been gathering on an almost weekly basis at lunch time to discuss how to prevent this sort of incident from happening again.
Now there's some self-awareness if I've ever seen any. Good on him for righting his wrongs.
 

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It is a tasteless thing to do, although part of me likes how...quaint this is compared to a lot of the social media type bullshit that crops up now.

This sounds like something that would (and did) happen back when I was in school. I think I ended up on a list at some point.

I also love their response.
 

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Lol some girls did this at my HS.

I didn’t mind/think much of it, but that’s probably cause 1) I was younger and dumber, and it was a different time, and 2) I was happy with my ranking when I finally saw it lmao

Good on these girls, though. And on the dude who seems to have owned up to it.
 

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No one going to talk about Bethesda-Chevy Chase as the high school name? That's the bigger story.

Todd is infiltrating everything.
 

Brinbe

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Was thinking they just made their own list. But that's a much more mature response all-around.

Smfh @ that admin though for not really doing shit initially.
 

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As a military brat, I went to 8 different schools growing up. Almost every one of them had this by girls and boys. At high school, the girls made a list of dick sizes... or their estimates of them anyway. Seems to be common but I haven't thought about who it might hurt on either side, mainly because I never gave it any credence.

But yeah, South park.
 

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I completely disagree, they should not have made their own list. It likely wont affect the boys the same way, because as women we are CONSTANTLY objectified, even at a very young age. Men are not.

Love how this all went down and the response, very responsible. Stories like this give a glimmer of hope for the future.
 

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I completely disagree, they should not have made their own list. It likely wont affect the boys the same way, because as women we are CONSTANTLY objectified, even at a very young age. Men are not.

Love how this all went down and the response, very responsible. Stories like this give a glimmer of hope for the future.
If they made a list about theoretical dick sizes Im sure it would have had the desired effect
 
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Hulu's pen15 deals with the "ranking of girls based on their looks" in its first episode, though it takes place in 7th grade. It's a great show I recommend checking out.
 
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Freshmen year of highschool, a girl told me I was a 3/10 looks-wise. It tore me up inside for the next few years. I'm NOT that ugly for christs sake
 

Dennis8K

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This happened in my school too but with the genders switched. I am sure it happens a lot.
 

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I'm pretty sure the girls at my middle school had one of these made up for the boys, but I never got a look at it personally. Didn't really care at the time.

I expected the reaction coming in to be that the girls made their own list and gave all the boys zeroes. What they did was much more mature haha
 

Zoe

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No one going to talk about Bethesda-Chevy Chase as the high school name? That's the bigger story.

Todd is infiltrating everything.
It's a city.

The name "Chevy Chase" is derived from "Cheivy Chace", the name of the land patented to Colonel Joseph Belt from Charles Calvert, 5th Baron Baltimore on July 10, 1725. It has historic associations to a 1388 battle between Lord Percy of England and Earl Douglas of Scotland, the subject of the ballad entitled "The Ballad of Chevy Chase". At issue in this "chevauchée" (a French word describing a border raid) were hunting grounds or a "chace" in the Cheviot Hills of Northumberland and Otterburn.[2]
 

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I remember this episode, but can't remember why Kyle was last.
The list was fabricated so that Craig was number 1 so that the girls wouldn't feel bad socially about dating him for the benefit of getting shoes, for free, from his father's shop. Cartman should have been last but when they bumped up Craig they bumped Kyle to the bottom.