Maybe this board, not the country.This country is a mess. We're now calling people privileged because they can't accept being a hypocrite as easily as you.
Maybe this board, not the country.This country is a mess. We're now calling people privileged because they can't accept being a hypocrite as easily as you.
Yup. This thread is completely disengenuous and overlooks the fact that the DNC can and should kick Biden to the curb. But hey, let's guilt people into voting for an alleged rapist and overall shitty candidate.Except there's a third track without any people on it and still plenty of time to switch over.
Hillary lost and Democrats are about to nominate someone worse. I wonder how often they have to lose before they nominate someone that isn't. I fear that we don't have that much time left.The thing is, voting for Biden is telling the Democrats that you are happy with the status quo, that you would vote for anyone even a rapist if to improve things marginally. They will never improve if that's the message they receive. Of course, it's the responsibility of the voters to not vote for someone like biden on the first place as a nominee, I'm not forgetting that, but the DNC are also only interested in the status quo and I do believe that needs to be shattered. I'm not interested in baby steps, small progression is easily erased as these last 4 years proved. I want big changes, that's what I'm gunning for.
I'm black. Ask me again if I'd fight in WW2. Fuck. No.Kk so we've come full circle where we won't even get off the couch to save the world from Nazis in order to make ourselves feel righteous.
I chose Bernie.
People on here: "He can't get anything done because he's too idealistic"
Now it comes out that Biden is a rapist.
People on here: "I guess they're too idealistic to vote for Biden."
ARE YOU FUCKING SERIOUS?!
Maybe I'm missing something here but the logic tracks.
Both Sanders and his die hard supporters are too idealistic now that the choice is down to Biden or Trump. There is no option C.
It's not about Sanders or even the DNC primary, if the DNC isn't willing to put a candidate people can vote for guilt free, you can't blame people for not voting. Just few months ago some were entertaining the idea of not giving Sanders the nomination even if he ends up in the lead, now is the time to flex that power for the right cause.You need to understand that any path for Sanders winning the nomination outside of Biden literally dying is impossible at this stage. I see a lot of "Sanders only needs 1100 of the remaining 1700 delegates to win." Without really understanding what ot would actually take for him to win that many. Winning that many delegates would mean winning ALL future contests by MORE THAN a 60-40 split, something that is mathematically impossible with the early voting which has already been accomplished and heavily favors Biden. There is no Hail Mary saving pass that will save Sanders anymore. I voted for Sanders, I still donate to his campaign, and I agree with Biden on little as far as policy. At the same time, Trump is a threat to the literal continued existence of our country and the people in it.
i dont blame anybody who abstains from voting on this basis. I just wanna know if you think there is anything else bad that happens in the world beside rape that could maybe alter that decision making progress?JFC now we're on to "this will be on your head"? When has it ever been okay here to support rapists to such a degree?
I mean, yeah. That's just how it is.There was one good thing on the menu and I ordered it. But the restaurant said, "Sorry, not enough people ordered that to justify us making it today. I guess everyone's appetite for shit is just too strong."
Yup. It's pretty frustrating to see people here acting like we have no other option. The primary isn't over. Get Biden the fuck out so we have a chance to beat Trump in the general.Yup. This thread is completely disengenuous and overlooks the fact that the DNC can and should kick Biden to the curb. But hey, let's guilt people into voting for an alleged rapist and overall shitty candidate.
Yeah just like in 2016 when we had Obama and people didn't vote in their damn local elections and Trump got the nominee anyways. So it's not ALL on president as we just saw and you're saying that's objectively false which in itself is objectively false.
How about when Biden loses all his midterms and he finally gets a chance to put someone up in 2022-2024 and republicans just block it again until they win 2024.
I don't know if this board is representative of much of this country except in one thing.I suppose I would have thought that after all the harm and horrible things Trump has done over the past four years that we've had thread after thread after thread on that we would all be excited to a person to get a chance to vote him out.
Is this what normalization looks like when we equate a Biden presidency to being just as bad as a Trump presidency so what's the difference?
Of course there is, that's why many victims will still vote for them while trying not to get sick in the voting booth. Doesn't make the victims who refuse to vote for Biden privileged though, being raped/abused is not a privilege.i dont blame anybody who abstains from voting on this basis. I just wanna know if you think there is anything else bad that happens in the world beside rape that could maybe alter that decision making progress?
I mean, yeah. That's just how it is.
There was one good thing on the menu and I ordered it. But the restaurant said, "Sorry, not enough people ordered that to justify us making it today. I guess everyone's appetite for shit is just too strong."
The difference is, there is a real person on one and a theoretical million people on the other far down where you can't even see for sure there would be damage. Those theoretical millions could potentially be on the track of the rape victim as well depending on what it means to vote in a rapist. It could set back the me too movement and cause a lot of harm. Then there's climate change happening where regardless of who's president of the USA is going to destroy the world.
Even before the rape accusation Biden was garbage and people ignored it. He has a well-documented career of being an absolute shitbag.That's incredibly disingenuous as we're already well into the primary process before this news came out.
I am so sick of people trying to tell others what they should do with their vote and that they're wrong if they don't do what they say. You have your one vote. Use it how you want and leave everyone else alone.
I won't be voting. Neither is a good candidate. We have an idiot that may have sexually assaulted people going against a senile idiot that allegedly raped someone.
Not voting is a vote for no one. It's not an automatic vote for the person you personally don't want to win because talking points and trying to pressure people. It's a statement of its own. Also, my state is always overwhelmingly blue. A non-vote, if you want to say it counts at all, is always for blue in my state, and this will be different depending on the individual.
Even before the rape accusation Biden was garbage and people ignored it. He has a well-documented career of being an absolute shitbag.
Nah, there's still that third track. You are the one pretending it doesn't exist.That's incredibly disingenuous as we're already well into the primary process before this news came out.
It's not theoretical! We're in the middle of a pandemic and Trump has already shown that he's perfectly willing to let millions of Americans die if it makes the economy look better. Have you been paying attention at all?
Oh cool, so you've already taken the defeatist position. Cool. Not even worth engaging with, then.
Nah, there's still that third track. You are the one pretending it doesn't exist.
Oh yeah, no doubt.i dont blame anybody who abstains from voting on this basis. I just wanna know if you think there is anything else bad that happens in the world beside rape that could maybe alter that decision making progress?
I think there's a vast difference between a perfect candidate and a rapist. We're not talking about a minor policy position. It's not hard to like just not rape people, most people are able to do it.And? If you're waiting for a perfect candidate that's a total angel, you're going to be waiting for a long goddamned time.
Funny cause it sounds more like you don't know how to read. Clinton won my state in a landslide.Cool, so you learned nothing from 2016. Nice.
And? If you're waiting for a perfect candidate that's a total angel, you're going to be waiting for a long goddamned time.
I point out that people didn't have this information these past few months. You say, "Well, he was a shitty person anyway." Being shitty doesn't disqualify someone from being a candidate. A lot of people said Hillary was a shitty person, too. You've just shown that you would've pushed this position regardless of these accusations.
Bernie is good and has great youth support. Young people didn't show up in the primaries.
Funny cause it sounds more like you don't know how to read. Clinton won my state in a landslide.
Tell me, how would my vote have changed anything? Oh, that's right, it wouldn't have.
Get off your high horse.
I don't know if this board is representative of much of this country except in one thing.
Most voters latch on to a few issues and those are the most important thing to them. You can see how it is hard for people who Biden does not represent to give him their vote. Even if that means possibly more Trump (and they usually want it both ways, saying their vote would not make a difference or the difference between the two candidates is not big enough for them to care).
This thread shows the classic difference between Republicans are Democrats. Even for a Republican that absolutely hates Trump they are still going to show up to vote for him and eventually they will fall in line and start to support him. For Dems it is just hard to get them to vote and be loyal to the party (which honestly ultimately might even be a good thing).
No matter what its going to be a super close election. And people are going to pissed off 6 months after the election and the cycle will begin again.
This. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Pride.Personally, I'll swallow my pride and pull the lever that protects rights of those less privileged.
The status quo is anti democracy pro white supremacist traitorous republicans.Funny cause it sounds more like you don't know how to read. Clinton won my state in a landslide.
Tell me, how would my vote have changed anything? Oh, that's right, it wouldn't have.
Get off your high horse.
We need better candidates. You want to support the status quo by voting for a rapist, knock yourself out. Just know you're a rapist supporter.
Communicating desire for change vs the status quo is what the primaries were for, not the general. The voters have spoken.The thing is, voting for Biden is telling the Democrats that you are happy with the status quo, that you would vote for anyone even a rapist if to improve things marginally. They will never improve if that's the message they receive. Of course, it's the responsibility of the voters to not vote for someone like biden on the first place as a nominee, I'm not forgetting that, but the DNC are also only interested in the status quo and I do believe that needs to be shattered. I'm not interested in baby steps, small progression is easily erased as these last 4 years proved. I want big changes, that's what I'm gunning for.
Well there's your problem. You have to blow up the trolleyIt's a classic example of the Trolley Problem, except the number of people on the lower track is multiplied by a few million.
What did the Democrats learn from 2016? Nothing really. What you say will happen, won't happen. American history makes that pretty clear.No. It is choice that will send a clear message to Democrats if enough people make it. That message being "if you ever want to win another election, you need to do fucking better. Period."
Let's sweep this under the rug and hope he makes it through the general. Worked great last time!
Well no, I'm not the one advocating voting for a rapist. So I'd say you're the one full of shit.
Yeah, I already didn't want to vote for Biden before the accusations.And? If you're waiting for a perfect candidate that's a total angel, you're going to be waiting for a long goddamned time.
I point out that people didn't have this information these past few months. You say, "Well, he was a shitty person anyway." Being shitty doesn't disqualify someone from being a candidate. A lot of people said Hillary was a shitty person, too. You've just shown that you would've pushed this position regardless of these accusations.
I hate Biden. I think he is one of the worst nominees the democrats have to offer and would rather Warren or Bernie win.
The fact some people would risk another Trump presidency is mind blowing. You'll only get two choices. Biden or Trump. If you refuse to support the democratic choice then you get Trump. If being morally righteous about not supporting a rapist is more important than preventing a racist, sexist, LGBTphobic, nazi sympathizer, rapist, conspiracy theorist, climate change denier, refused to acknowledge a pandemic, classist and anti-human rights monster then you have seriously fucked up morals.
Now that we've determined that you have neither the tools nor resources to stop the forward momentum of the trolley (because you don't and Superman is a fiction character) in the seconds you have here it's time to make a choice.
It's certainly a tough moral dilemma for those who are more personally affected.This. Has. Nothing. To. Do. With. Pride.
Many people here, including me, have been RAPED. You're pressuring us--bullying us--into voting for a rapist?
Fuck you
Repeat after me.
BIDEN IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT YET.
BIDEN IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT YET.
There is still a chance for voters (unlikely) and/or the DNC (even more unlikely) to do the right thing here. But I'm too idealistic says defeatist people on this board who just throw up their hands and vote for a rapist.
It's not like the crime bi was supported by the majority of black voters and black leaders. I know that's why mom doesn't completely blame him for it.It is always funny that people always do the kids in cages thing. He's not like Joe Biden was the centerpiece of some of the most racist legislation and this nation's history post Jim Crow that put in 100s thousands of African-American youths in prison and jails for the past and many of them are still in today. It's not like that happen.
Given how many votes are in, that third track is highly unlikely. I'm not betting on it. I'd love for that to happen, but I'm also trying to be realistic.
They won the house i n 2018, so I'd say you're full of it.
It's certainly a tough moral dilemma for those who are more personally affected.
The trolly problem metaphor is extremely apt, you don't want to feel responsible for the act of voting for an accused rapist so you'd rather not act and let the trolly continue on it's way toward an admitted rapist.
Moral clarity is hard to come by in 2020.
Unless the heat gets so hot that he has to step down — which would require lengthy national attention and probably additional accusers — there is little to no chance that he fails to become the nominee. It won't even be close in the end. I've not seen the will in the media to follow this story and she's been trying to tell it for 30 years. That certainly doesn't bode well.Repeat after me.
BIDEN IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT YET.
BIDEN IS NOT THE DEMOCRATIC NOMINEE FOR PRESIDENT YET.
There is still a chance for voters (unlikely) and/or the DNC (even more unlikely) to do the right thing here. But I'm too idealistic says defeatist people on this board who just throw up their hands and vote for a rapist.