Then what he said made even less sense. If he lived this crap with his heterosexual parents family then he would understand that love is the priority when raising children, and not a penis and a vagina as a requisite.
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Terry Crews criticised for saying children of same-sex parents are ‘severely malnourished’, has since apologized and deleted comment
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Then what he said made even less sense. If he lived this crap with his heterosexual parents family then he would understand that love is the priority when raising children, and not a penis and a vagina as a requisite.
Was wondering when this would get a topic here. I'm disappointed in Terry but not surprised, been too surprised at people who seemed to have a good grasp of this stuff say some really shitty things before. I can see the initial comments being about people stepping up to care for their kids, but the way he continued to dig in with a lot of poor phrasing and people insisting his points are being misrepresented when it's all right there.
I was raised by just my mom, and every once in a while I remember something from my childhood which I now can see from the context of her trying very hard to provide and make sure I had those things and experiences. Fuck anyone that feels the first word to describe that should be "malnourished."
I was raised by just my mom, and every once in a while I remember something from my childhood which I now can see from the context of her trying very hard to provide and make sure I had those things and experiences. Fuck anyone that feels the first word to describe that should be "malnourished."
Dude has been talking about this for like a week now and keeps having to defend himself against people who aren't reading all of his posts. He is saying male and female influences are crucial for children, but is NOT saying that both parents need to be opposite gender whatsoever. Aunt's/Uncles, Grandparents, etc, etc. And I don't think he's wrong on that at all.
It doesn't mean that someone can't grow up just fine with out one gender in their life but you cannot sit here and deny that being exposed to both genders growing up isn't valuable (wherever it may come from).
It doesn't mean that someone can't grow up just fine with out one gender in their life but you cannot sit here and deny that being exposed to both genders growing up isn't valuable (wherever it may come from).
Im bi and grow up on a single parent home
Is okay to have a different opinion. Reading through his childhood about having an alcoholic father and what that did to him I can see where he is coming from. Mind you for the the view he explained that the role can be found anywhere and not just from paternal parents although he feels that would be the best situation.
The issue I have with this data source is they want to side step sample size and control groups and paint those points as being not relevant in coming to a data based conclusion, yet they do want to add weight against the 4 studies that showed a negative correlation to same sex parenting models because of the nature and history of the situation with some of the participants in those data sets.
That sounds way to much like trying to force a narrative. They could have just said there are problems with different data sets for different reasons and say we simply need more data, etc. But here's what we know from what we know.
Edit: re-reading the page I think I take issue more with the writer than the data. I think the way the data was presented is my issue. Because it's an emotional topic, It felt, to me at least, like the author was almost preemptively trying to position and frame things from the outset.
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Don't make up that he meant something he didn't say.
The view he explained was that a child with same sex parents will be "Severely malnourished". Those exact words specifically.
What part of severely malnourished means growing up fine or should be seen as an acceptable "opinion"?
I'm gay as well, and in my experience its easier to talk to my mom about things. But, the messed up part is my parents had an arranged marriage, and my dad is secretly gay but won't admit it. And, my mom knew the entire time but still stayed with him.
there is a lack of father figures in the black community... but... That doesn't seem to be what hes going for. Might be clouding his vision though. Like when Killer Mike went through his weird NRA/Lashing out phase. People slip up i suppose.
Single parents/Same Sex/anything works as long as you have positive role models in your environment.
Single parents/Same Sex/anything works as long as you have positive role models in your environment.
He's already said that just because you don't have a father doesn't mean you can't have a "father figure", which again fits into everything he has been saying for the last five years or so
I can understand why that malnourished tweet was trash, cause it was, but the entire conversation in context of what he has been saying for years is nothing new or shocking.
Crews has always talked about positive male role models in peoples lives, especially for younger men/boys
Go read his actual page and his replies instead of the few posted here if you're having a hard time understanding his point of view. Even in the deleted malnourished thread he literally said same sex couples and single parents successfully raise children. (That one is in the OP, also the apology for phrasing it that way)
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I could have definitely done with a stable male role model growing up. Would have been easier if it was a father who would have been there regularly, but I'm sure many same sex couples will know people of the other gender who could provide that background. My mother was great doing her part of her bargain but I had no counterbalance what so ever and suffered from that
I don't think it's that outrageous to say that boys or girls could do with someone that shares at least part of their experience in life. Even if I'm going to be consistently supportive to a future daughter I am not going to completely know what it means to be a woman even if I was the most woke parent alive
The dude did no favours to himself using language like severely malnourished though.
I don't think it's that outrageous to say that boys or girls could do with someone that shares at least part of their experience in life. Even if I'm going to be consistently supportive to a future daughter I am not going to completely know what it means to be a woman even if I was the most woke parent alive
The dude did no favours to himself using language like severely malnourished though.
thats where that line probably came from, i mean. But, we're dissecting words from a conversation. With many followers, comes much responsibility. People use your words to speak for them. So you have to be careful what you say, as it will be used for whatever reasons..
Woah. That's a can of worms to unpack there. I hope your dad has been able to be himself now.
Haha yep. He can't be himself because of the cultural aspect. It's just a really messed up situation! u_u
I mean, it wasn't that long ago that he suggested watching porn is tantamount to cheating. Projecting the issues he had in his relationship on everyone else. Yet people wanted to hold him up as some kind of liberal hero. The lesson is to stop putting people on weird pedestals. People say and think dumb shit, even if they're alright most of the time.
Like most social movements, White women seem to benefit the most and are very exclusionary of others.
I have. He feels resentful towards his father and is taking it upon himself to attack father's that aren't around. He wants to hold them accountable.
A more than noble goal, but in doing so he has decided to go about it by insulting same sex parents and kids raised without a father. Insinuating pretty clearly that same sex parents aren't as good.
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Yeah, as they're very different things. I've read many times over the years that studies show pretty well that in two-parent homes, there's tends to be a nurturing one and a tough one (or whatever), and that it works out fine regardless of the gender of each parent.
But that yes, it's pretty obvious that having two parents is better than just having one, and it's also clear that fatherlessness in general (again, focusing on fathers being out of the picture, and not same sex two-parent homes) is a problem.
I think we have a toxic view on parenting as a culture, anyway. The most important ingredient in successfully raising children, in my opinion, is love. Sounds corny, but I can't see how it's not true. Even in the nuclear family scenario, there are often other adult figures in the family or in proximity who help raise and nurture children.* The idea that two people and only two people can raise children is not only ludicrous, it's completely ahistorical to how children have been raised for most of human history - socially, with plenty of other adults and children involved in the raising process.
I don't think it's uncommon for role models who are not direct parents to exist in children's lives either.
* That's not to say single parenting is bad or can't be done either (I personally know someone who chose to be a single parent, and I think they are a wonderful parent), but I don't think it's controversial to say raising a child single-handedly is not an easy task emotionally or financially. But just because it's not easy doesn't mean it isn't rewarding and can't produce well-adjusted human beings either <3
I don't think it's uncommon for role models who are not direct parents to exist in children's lives either.
* That's not to say single parenting is bad or can't be done either (I personally know someone who chose to be a single parent, and I think they are a wonderful parent), but I don't think it's controversial to say raising a child single-handedly is not an easy task emotionally or financially. But just because it's not easy doesn't mean it isn't rewarding and can't produce well-adjusted human beings either <3
He messed up. That doesn't make him a bad person though. Terry Crews is still a cool as shit guy for the most part in my opinion. He just needs to be educated on certain things apparently.
I will agree that two parents with a dynamic energy are probably best for a child. I don't think it matters if they're gay or not, but it helps the child to grow from 2 perspectives. Generally, I think he's reiterating a point from the way of the superior man, but double downing a bit more on the gendered part (where in the book, it's not about the gender, but the dynamic).
This ain't the most egregious thing in the world, but it is hurtful to same-sex couples. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he did amend his words, and should be more conscious about them in the future.
This ain't the most egregious thing in the world, but it is hurtful to same-sex couples. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt because he did amend his words, and should be more conscious about them in the future.
You guys need to get off the internet for a bit. You are equating a bunch of people getting upset over something someone said with attacking him and wanting to destroy their career and lifestyle. Not every angry post you see online is part of some mob to maim and destroy.
Yep, White Woman Feminism in action always leads this way, kicking down minorities, trans people, sex workers, etc.
A black woman wrote the original op-ed criticizing Obama that prompted Crew's tweets.
He's demonstrated pretty clearly that that's not his opinion or his intent so if you don't believe him then idk what to say at this point.
Maybe it's poorly worded, but all I think he's saying is that a person should not be robbed of having both paternal and maternal influences on development—no matter where it comes from.
It's an experience thing, and the argument is that it makes you a more rounded person.
Like traveling vs staying in the same town your whole life. I dunno.
It's an experience thing, and the argument is that it makes you a more rounded person.
Like traveling vs staying in the same town your whole life. I dunno.
For sure. And I also suspect that studies on fatherless children are already biased in favor of heterosexual couples anyways,which ignores the larger question of whether or not an intact family unit - regardless of the sex of the parents - is more beneficial to kids.
A quick glance at his Twitter page and you will see he is retweeting and questioning people raised without fathers that say they grew up fine. Straight up telling g them they're wrong.
I do not believe he is ill-intentioned but he is very clearly projecting his issues with his own father onto others. And he is doing so in an incredibly callous manner.
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People are seriously angry at the opinion that it's *better* --- not *necessary* -- to have parenting from two genders? Isn't the whole point of gender that there are real differences, and wouldn't it obviously be the case that it's better (not necessary) to get both kinds of parenting?
So doesn't that mean they are getting maternal love? He said "no matter where you get" it.
In his intent, was a poorly worded argument. Of course people agree with the former, but they're lambasting the latter.
This, tbh.
Not everyone who has had different experiences or disagrees with your opinion is some awful person.
True, but you have to look at his comments from the perspective of gay people, who have been and are still being made to feel like they are lesser human beings than straight people. It's difficult to do if you've not lived that life though.
I'm done with him. This isn't the first time he's been very shitty to the community (google terry crews transracial) and it likely won't be the last. All I can do is say I'm done defending him each time he stabs us in the back, doubles down for days, And Then decides he's sorry
This is my take on it. I also agree with the philosophy that it takes a village to raise a child aspect to it all and that is how I viewed his tweet.
