Yeah but that's different than "needing to wait for gunshots".
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Texas (Fort Worth) police officer shoots woman to death inside her home.
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The local story states that the woman was playing video games with her eight-year old nephew moments before being shot.
This motherfucker killed her through the window?
The idea of living in a country where you need to be constantly ready to drop everything and throw your hands up in the air at a MOMENT'S notice, even at 2 in the morning, even in your own home, on pain of immediate execution, just because a cop suspects you might be holding something, is just unbelievable.
The idea of living in a country where you need to be constantly ready to drop everything and throw your hands up in the air at a MOMENT'S notice, even at 2 in the morning, even in your own home, on pain of immediate execution, just because a cop suspects you might be holding something, is just unbelievable.
"Don't fire until fired upon" is pretty reasonable actually. Peacekeepers and even military in some cases operate under this procedure. You saying that US streets are more dangerous than an active warzone?
Holy shit that is straight up execution, in her own house no less.
He literally shot her within a second of saying put your hands up without even identifying, it's like he planned to shoot anyway but did it for the protocol (which may indeed be the case).
Let's see how he gets away with this cause of course he will
He literally shot her within a second of saying put your hands up without even identifying, it's like he planned to shoot anyway but did it for the protocol (which may indeed be the case).
Let's see how he gets away with this cause of course he will
What if a weapon is being brandished and pointed at others as an active threat?
That's not the situation we are discussing. If a gun is literally being pointed at them, then I can see an argument for it. Just holding a gun, or a knife, or any other object? Nope, shouldn't be justified. The reason being, that cops have used "I thought it was a gun" to shoot people holding all manner of household objects. At this point, simply holding something shouldn't give the police license to shoot you.
Police should be de-escalating situations. Police in other developed countries operate on those principles, why can't ours?
Folks I think y'all don't understand what a wellness check is.
Police come and if you are fine and well, and black, they remedy that situation by shooting you.
Police come and if you are fine and well, and black, they remedy that situation by shooting you.
Maybe you should read the source of the discussion that you're responding to. The person was not making a comment strictly in the context of this event.
I'm aware of that, but go ahead and don't address the rest of my post. I don't think their suggestion is unreasonable.
Uhh, I agree with you that cops should be prioritizing de-escalation. My only issue was the extreme the other poster was going in that direction. I don't really get the point of saying "that's not the situation being discussed" when somebody is giving an absolute statement.
I think that their suggestion of "don't fire unless fired upon" is a good general rule of thumb and much better than the status quo. It's much easier to roll "or are in immediate and obvious danger of being fired upon by a gun pointed at you" into that, than it is to just let things continue as they are.
Sucks that the best possible outcome for her was going to trial for killing a cop trying to break into her house. Probably get life in prison if that had happened anyways. Her life was over as soon as the police got involved.
Well that's murder right there, let's see what the justice system does about it.
Man the scary thought that she'll will be blamed for playing video games in the dark to justify her death :(.
How does a wellness check escalate to that so quickly? WTF aren't you announcing yourself to the occupants of the house even if they are possibly nefarious especially with backup...
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Man the scary thought that she'll will be blamed for playing video games in the dark to justify her death :(.
How does a wellness check escalate to that so quickly? WTF aren't you announcing yourself to the occupants of the house even if they are possibly nefarious especially with backup...
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Wtf she had a right to the gun at her own house. She could've been holding that gun and the cop still had no right to shoot her.
Having cops be the ones to do wellness checks is such a terrible idea.
Cops are literally explicitly trained to fear any hesitation and to put their lives above all others. And many of them see any mental illness as a sign you're dangerous. It's a terrible combination to add to the mix when all you need is someone to see if they're ok.
Cops are literally explicitly trained to fear any hesitation and to put their lives above all others. And many of them see any mental illness as a sign you're dangerous. It's a terrible combination to add to the mix when all you need is someone to see if they're ok.
I definitely agree. when I was 18 I wanted to move to the US, now I honestly would be too scared
This is just tragic in every fucking way possible.
The man thought he was being helpful by looking out. It's prob strange to have your lights on with your door wide open at night. Prob doesn't have her number either so he calls a non-emergency number to have someone check it out.
Woman is at home, relaxing ... gets fucking shot dead through the window without even a word of warning. Prob dies not knowing wtf is happening. OR, if you'd have the police bringing up how a fucking AMERICAN has a GUN in their HOME (as if that means anything in a nation that sucks the gun tit like there's no going back) you could maybe convince yourself that she had a gun and pointed it at him. There's nothing that looks like that, the body cam is pretty damn straight forward, they wont tell where they found the gun but I'm SURE they want you to think that maybe, just MAYBE she had a gun and pointed it at this strange man outside her window...
This Cop ... IDK wtf to say about him. Some shitty trigger happy cop that saw a dark person and pulled that trigger. I can't say how wellness checks are supposed to be done ... perhaps it's normal to not tell who ever is inside that you're a cop. But breaking into someone's home is not a crime punishable by DEATH so yeah, I don't think you should be shooting into fucking windows like you're John Wick or some shit.
But what do I know?
The man thought he was being helpful by looking out. It's prob strange to have your lights on with your door wide open at night. Prob doesn't have her number either so he calls a non-emergency number to have someone check it out.
Woman is at home, relaxing ... gets fucking shot dead through the window without even a word of warning. Prob dies not knowing wtf is happening. OR, if you'd have the police bringing up how a fucking AMERICAN has a GUN in their HOME (as if that means anything in a nation that sucks the gun tit like there's no going back) you could maybe convince yourself that she had a gun and pointed it at him. There's nothing that looks like that, the body cam is pretty damn straight forward, they wont tell where they found the gun but I'm SURE they want you to think that maybe, just MAYBE she had a gun and pointed it at this strange man outside her window...
This Cop ... IDK wtf to say about him. Some shitty trigger happy cop that saw a dark person and pulled that trigger. I can't say how wellness checks are supposed to be done ... perhaps it's normal to not tell who ever is inside that you're a cop. But breaking into someone's home is not a crime punishable by DEATH so yeah, I don't think you should be shooting into fucking windows like you're John Wick or some shit.
But what do I know?
Man, she was up late playing games with her nephew. This cop has to pay, and examples need to be made. These cops can't go around shooting at the first thing that spooks them. Don't go in people's yard unless you have a reason to. Knock on the door, get an operator to call the house or something if she wasn't answering. She was gaming, could have been showering, or something else too, like not wanting to answer a knock at 2am. Geez man!
It was a toy, but even if it's real....
let me get this straight.. you're allowed to own guns in this country, but if you happen to hold your gun inside your own home and some cop comes by unannounced, he just shoots you for holding a gun?
How is this acceptable in any way? Why aren't there riots over excessive police violence all of the time? You guys realize this is not normal, right?
let me get this straight.. you're allowed to own guns in this country, but if you happen to hold your gun inside your own home and some cop comes by unannounced, he just shoots you for holding a gun?
How is this acceptable in any way? Why aren't there riots over excessive police violence all of the time? You guys realize this is not normal, right?
Hello society.
Thank you so very much for again showing me and other Black folks how much you don't value our lives.
Thanks so much for showing us you would rather put a bullet in us in the matter of seconds.
Thanks again for the complete disregard of our humanity because of our skin color.
Thanks again white folks for never having the backbone to even ask your racist family members why they're racist.
Thanks again for taking the time to post on social media how this isn't America, when it's been like this forever.
Most importantly thanks again for the fact that most of you will hide under your privilege and say "I'm one of the good ones" without ever really doing anything to help us.
Thanks, I'll take my Black ass back to continuing not trusting society and working in saving 1 Black life at a time while most of you don't care.
Thank you so very much for again showing me and other Black folks how much you don't value our lives.
Thanks so much for showing us you would rather put a bullet in us in the matter of seconds.
Thanks again for the complete disregard of our humanity because of our skin color.
Thanks again white folks for never having the backbone to even ask your racist family members why they're racist.
Thanks again for taking the time to post on social media how this isn't America, when it's been like this forever.
Most importantly thanks again for the fact that most of you will hide under your privilege and say "I'm one of the good ones" without ever really doing anything to help us.
Thanks, I'll take my Black ass back to continuing not trusting society and working in saving 1 Black life at a time while most of you don't care.
Yeah that's just bad training and should be easily prosecutable. Not once did I hear police etc and why was his gun drawn if it's a wellness check
If only the fucker would've paid with his life.
This fucking pig should be hanged.
So let's say you have a police force that goes to residences unannounced and is trained to shoot on sight and you also have a population that is heavily (legally) armed, how is this going to end well?
This is so disgusting. Expecting there is an armed intruder inside is fine, but Jesus US cops stop shooting immediately before accessing the situation which is your goddamn job.
It really must be rooted in the training and good old racism
It really must be rooted in the training and good old racism
