Usually if something is really good, people want to see how it ends. I think you're overthinking it.
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Thanks to Dark Phoenix bombing hard, Disney is now very hesitant about the films it inherited from the Fox deal.
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Usually if something is really good, people want to see how it ends. I think you're overthinking it.
You know damn well this was the plan all along. The acquisition of Fox was a means to an end, and there were always going to be a ton of casualties.
That's great to hear, next year right?
And yeah huge shame about Lumberjanes.
Mofos its not that hard. Release shit under disney name for disney brand, release under searchlight or fox for more mature or out there shit.
Dark Phoenix was never intended to be the end though.
No I'm not. Everyone knew this movie would bomb, a movie being bad and being pointless to watch are both valid reasons for a movie to bomb, I just don't understand why there has to be one definitive reason to "well actually" over.
No it won't. Fox Disney might release fewer movies than before the merger but a number of them will just go other places like Amazon, Netflix, WB, or any other number of studios.
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I think that, Bob's Burgers and Simpsons 2 are locked but Disney is also hesitant about Artemis Fowl so... just be on the lookout in case.
Man I just feels Disney is just going to make PG-13 movies and most Fox things are getting shit canned. Also probably no Alien movie or Predator for decades... cause you know.. marketability vs actual R rated movie. God Disney is full of pansies
I doubt it would do that well at the box office. Might as well put it on TV or Hulu.
Darn. I love that series. Hope it gets an animated adaption someday.
Based on past performances one would have expected Dark Phoenix to at least break even. No X-Men movie had bombed to this level before.
I don't think they expected DaPx to nail it. They probably thought it would do bad but not nearly as bad as it did.
It doesn't matter. If the movies that came before it were great, even if it wasn't meant to be a conclusion, people would still want to take the opportunity to see actors play characters that they loved and enjoyed for years. No one cared, because the franchise had been driven into the ground.
I honestly hope Disney sells the Alien/Predator IP to another studio. None of those franchises fit Disney's brand and they don't seem interested in releasing more adult oriented films under the Fox banner.
A thousand factors contributed to Dark Phoenix bombing:
-Director: Not a big name, inexperienced, the shaky parts of his resume (Writing Last Stand) won out against his supposedly good rep with studio/actors
-Cast: Fassbender & McAvoy are decently liked but not to Hugh Jackman levels, only thing people say about JLaw were that she seemed to not want to be there
-Rehash of one of the worst x-men movies
-Last main outing, Apocalypse, was a tremendous disappointment
-Disney acquisition: journalists and enthusiasts who get the word out knew that this franchise was coming to an unceremonious end NOT on their own terms
-Bad word of mouth in general from screenings and things, news reports of reshoots etc
-Boring trailers
-Bad reviews when it did actually come out
-Probably a bleed effect from the continued failing saga of New Mutants contributing to a general 'they don't know what the fuck they're doing'
-Chastain, their big new hire, was not even a major comics character
Probably a bunch of other things too, it really was a perfect storm.
-Director: Not a big name, inexperienced, the shaky parts of his resume (Writing Last Stand) won out against his supposedly good rep with studio/actors
-Cast: Fassbender & McAvoy are decently liked but not to Hugh Jackman levels, only thing people say about JLaw were that she seemed to not want to be there
-Rehash of one of the worst x-men movies
-Last main outing, Apocalypse, was a tremendous disappointment
-Disney acquisition: journalists and enthusiasts who get the word out knew that this franchise was coming to an unceremonious end NOT on their own terms
-Bad word of mouth in general from screenings and things, news reports of reshoots etc
-Boring trailers
-Bad reviews when it did actually come out
-Probably a bleed effect from the continued failing saga of New Mutants contributing to a general 'they don't know what the fuck they're doing'
-Chastain, their big new hire, was not even a major comics character
Probably a bunch of other things too, it really was a perfect storm.
Yeah, it's the first X-Men movie I haven't caught in theaters because I knew it didn't matter going forward. I feel like most people were aware of this as well, and we're all just waiting for a proper MCU reboot.
This is definitely worrying. It's just one executive sure but it shows the top brass at Disney don't share the same views as Searchlight. And I wonder how they would treat it if it wasn't being done by one of their Marvel directors.
I mean, the last entries in both of series underperforming certainly doesn't help them. But those are known IP. I doubt highly that they're gone forever.
This isn't true as they're currently still planning to support stuff like Terminator.
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I give them that, but everybody knew Fox had been mismanaging their film division for a long time now. If the public knew this stuff, Disney certainly had access to even more info that what we had, and I think they absolutely knew what was going on which is why we have to witness these theatrics right now
Terminator was already in post-production before they took over though.
Yes, but if it does well they'll make more. Partly because Cameron is involved more heavily and they want to keep him happy, but that doesn't really matter. Disney does see the value in those more R-rated FOX IPs. Obviously all of the past films in all of these franchises will end up being on Hulu as well.
If they close fox searchlight I'm going to hold a grudge.
But hey, we're going to get X-Men movies that stick more closely to the source material. Everybody celebrate, right?
Sorry for the cynicism. This is directed at the people who could not care less while throwing their wallets at the Iger machine.
But hey, we're going to get X-Men movies that stick more closely to the source material. Everybody celebrate, right?
Sorry for the cynicism. This is directed at the people who could not care less while throwing their wallets at the Iger machine.
I don't really see a future for them with Disney though. Like you pointed out, the only reason they might stick with Terminator is because it's Cameron's baby.
A bunch of cool shit is gonna be canceled now because Disney wants everything to make MCU or Star Wars bucks. This is trash.
I doubt it. X-men (besides Deadpool and Logan) was on a decline before they were bought out. If they couldn't forsee this bomb like literally everyone else then they're dumbasses.
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Its pretty wack. Everybody going on about "bu bu touchstone" when Disney was acquiring fox but it's pretty clear all they care about now is IP stuff
Whether or not JoJo Rabbit pans out, searchlight is still on its death knell prolly
I wouldn't be surprised if Disney sold off Fox Searchlight like they did Miramax.
What happened to the "Disney will make Searchlight the new Touchstone!" talk that people said here before the merger?
What happened to the "Disney will make Searchlight the new Touchstone!" talk that people said here before the merger?
There hasn't been a good Alien movie since 1986.
There hasn't been a good Terminator movie since 1991.
Please, clutch your pearls. FOX hasn't done anything but shit on the memories of these once proud franchises for DECADES. But, yeah, oh noz what will Disney do?!?!
There hasn't been a good Terminator movie since 1991.
Please, clutch your pearls. FOX hasn't done anything but shit on the memories of these once proud franchises for DECADES. But, yeah, oh noz what will Disney do?!?!
The day Disney sells off valuable IP when they're business model is acquiring IPs for their portfolio is the day hell freezes over.
That is not the naughty my brain was going forI mean Disney kinda did that already
I hope a lot of these films find a home at Universal, Warner Bros., Paramount or Sony
But does Disney find them valuable? Because if they don't, they're just gonna sit on it for who knows how long. Disney doesn't seem interested in anything that doesn't have billion dollar potential.
Disney making it clear that this acquisition was far more about reaping IP that they'll play with on their own terms rather than actually keeping and supporting 20th Century Fox proper. I really wouldn't be surprised if the studio is completely gutted when all is said and done.
I just don't think that's true. Alien and Predator are well known IP. They are not going to sell them. They're going to take a break as major films for a while, almost certainly, but that is largely because their last films did not do well. Alien: Covenant was meant to have a follow up but it was canned because of how that movie under-performed long before this merger completed.
I wouldn't be surprised if one or both of the IPs are utilized in some way in the television realm via Hulu or FX. I also wouldn't be surprised if Alien especially does end up getting another (lower budget) film attempt in a few years given how Ridley Scott likes to come back and try to make a push for it every now and then (in fact, Scott literally just confirmed a few months ago he was actively talking to Disney about it).
Even barring these creators like Cameron and Scott pushing for their continued use, Disney isn't oblivious to the value of these franchises. They're going to keep using them -- just probably not with the frequency that FOX had been. Disney also announced the other day they were going to continue the Planet of the Apes series.
There was no chance of Disney continuing the Fox X-Men line, which 21st Century Fox themselves had killed off just fine on their own.
Anything else, not that anyone seems to care or look at anything that isn't Marvel, is too far out. I highly doubt Disney will let Aliens go to waste once they figure out how to handle that disaster, as it's at the very least a valuable merchandise avenue.
I believe it's too far along to go that route. Disney recently reaffirmed the film's planned release for next July (so it's less than a year away).
Plus, I imagine the production budget isn't all that ghastly compared to other Fox theatrical endeavours. It should do fine even if it only amasses a modest $50-60 million from the domestic box office.
Given that Deadpool consistently breaks the fourth wall, why not just have him quip about being in a pg13 movie, like complaining that he can't curse or whatever
It's cool. I still get keep my above average capeshit, Star Wars sequels made by people who don't like Star Wars, and of course endless, soulless remakes of movies I've already seen. What else do I need?
These losses will be temporary. Dark Phoenix bombed because :
1. the quality of the fox X-men films has been clearly dropping since Apocalypse.
2 . everyone knows this is now a lame duck universe that already got the axe at time of release.
Bring on MCU Xmen and Fantastic Four, and (outside of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine portrayal) people will pretty much forget any of the past films exist. And honestly, I think Deadpool will be easy to integrate into the MCU. Just use less "fucks" and "shits" in his dialogue, or keep them, but bleep them out in a self aware 4th wall breaking censor (even have Deadpool himself comment on it to the audience)- but keep him just as crass and goofy and always, and all will be fine. Insert some blurry boxes over the gory stuff you can't do in PG13 (with Deadpool complaining about them)- it would actually be pretty funny.
1. the quality of the fox X-men films has been clearly dropping since Apocalypse.
2 . everyone knows this is now a lame duck universe that already got the axe at time of release.
Bring on MCU Xmen and Fantastic Four, and (outside of Hugh Jackman's Wolverine portrayal) people will pretty much forget any of the past films exist. And honestly, I think Deadpool will be easy to integrate into the MCU. Just use less "fucks" and "shits" in his dialogue, or keep them, but bleep them out in a self aware 4th wall breaking censor (even have Deadpool himself comment on it to the audience)- but keep him just as crass and goofy and always, and all will be fine. Insert some blurry boxes over the gory stuff you can't do in PG13 (with Deadpool complaining about them)- it would actually be pretty funny.