The 2019 Star Wars Special Editions (New 4K Transfer for Disney+ Contains MORE NEW CHANGES to Original Trilogy)

Dec 22, 2017
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So Disney would have to go to an even older, worse condition film and do a complete remaster from whatever state that’s in after another 30 years of degradation.
I have an entire book about the lengths Disney went to in order to find and restore all the old Oswald the Lucky Rabbit cartoons when they got the rights back. And the return on investment was basically zero. They just did it because they wanted to. I think they’d actually love to work on restoring the theatrical releases. Plus it would sell 10 million more copies than an Oswald collection ever would.

They’d put top men on it. TOP MEN.
 

Iriscomeback

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Oct 27, 2017
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Will we ever get an official re-release of the original cut in 4K? Please?

All these changes are shit. I still can't believe what they did to ANH... And don't even get me started on that awful music number in ROTJ and the added NOOOOOOOOOOO
 

VDenter

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Oct 27, 2017
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Why are you blaming Disney on this one???

This is a George Lucas thing.
Because Disney is the one selling this crap. They could give the fans what they want but they chose not to. I don't care that George was the one who made these, its still Disney who chose to release them, despite them obviously being complete crap.
 

VonGreckler

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Oct 25, 2017
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Because Disney is the one selling this crap. They could give the fans what they want but they chose not to. I don't care that George was the one who made these, its still Disney who chose to release them, despite them obviously being complete crap.
Crap? Hyperbole much?
They are much better masters than the blu-rays and are 4k. Color grading alone is much better.
No one ever knows if the originals without special edition stuff even have transfers that would be usable due to how George handled the 97 releases.
 

VDenter

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Crap? Hyperbole much?
They are much better masters than the blu-rays and are 4k. Color grading alone is much better.
No one ever knows if the originals without special edition stuff even have transfers that would be usable due to how George handled the 97 releases.
Well yes these are slightly better than the blu-rays but that doesn't really make them good. The end result is still something i would never want to sit down and watch. I'm pretty sure a company like Disney could release the originals. They just chose not to because a sizeable amount will still eat up whatever they put out.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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Will we ever get an official re-release of the original cut in 4K? Please?

All these changes are shit. I still can't believe what they did to ANH... And don't even get me started on that awful music number in ROTJ and the added NOOOOOOOOOOO
it's believed that the special edition/first rerelease changes was 'taped over' for what of a better term, the original prints. there is an original print, going back so far that it doesn't even say 'episode iv - a new hope', in the library of congress, not sure if they could scan that.
 

Zippedpinhead

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it's believed that the special edition/first rerelease changes was 'taped over' for what of a better term, the original prints. there is an original print, going back so far that it doesn't even say 'episode iv - a new hope', in the library of congress, not sure if they could scan that.
As recently as a decade ago those limited edition DVDs that came with the "theatrical version", I believe were based on the laserdisc master and could be a start.
 

BDS

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Oct 25, 2017
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I love how in 27 different special editions, edits, and retcons, Lucas never removed Luke and Leia making out.
 

Narpas Sword0

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As recently as a decade ago those limited edition DVDs that came with the "theatrical version", I believe were based on the laserdisc master and could be a start.
You can’t use that as a start. The laserdisc conversions are not even 480p.You need to remaster off the actual film. The actual film the laserdiscs were derived from was turned into the SEs. So they would need to physically locate other original film, which even in the 90s was in worse condition than the film used for the SEs, which has now degraded another three decades, and start over from there.

I have those DVDs. They aren’t even anamorphic. They play in a postage stamp on a modern tv, even a 1080p one.
 

Drewton

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Oct 27, 2017
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So much more detail in the new remasters with less shadow crush. Just look at Vader’s cape. Less clipping on the highlights too if you look at the reflections on the stormtroopers.



 

Drewton

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I’m hearing the new masters are becoming available on other services like Google Play but I can’t confirm
 

TableBeRound

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Oct 21, 2019
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As someone who was introduced to Star Wars with the 1997 special editions I don't take issue with any of those changes. What they did in 2004 (inserting ROTS Palpatine & Anakin, changing Boba Fett's voice and for some reason creating a new CG Jabba that still doesn't' look anything like the ROTJ version) irked me to no end. And then on top of that they added CG rocks (silly) to ANH and Vader's ROTS "Nooo" to ROTJ for the Blu-ray (and I guess this Disney+ version). At this point they could make so much money if they released a Blu-Ray set that has the originals, the 1997, 2004, 2011 and 2019 versions on it. They could ask like 900$ for it and it'd still sell like hotcakes.
 

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Is it actually true that the original negatives were permanently altered by Lucas or has that been debunked?
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Some of the changes are for the better, but theres a few I never liked. Like changing boba fetts voice. You get why boba fett was considered a badass when you hear the old dialog.The way he talks back to vader sounds amazing, It's all in the line delivery. The new dubbing sounds much more complacent by comparison.

Don't like return of the jedi jabba song either, the overuse of random cgi people in mos eyesley. The vader noo and the greedo thing. But there were a lot of cool additions with things like the space battles. Also, maclunky kind of makes the scene work slightly better than before, even though the original is still miles better.
 

TAJ

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Is it actually true that the original negatives were permanently altered by Lucas or has that been debunked?
That's true.
I never found a definitive answer on what happened to the trims.
BUT... most of what was removed was optical shots and Lucasfilm still has the original elements for those, which is weird but cool. So we could potentially get much better-looking versions of those shots using only the original photography. There are are actually several shots like that in the altered versions The Empire Strikes Back in the Hoth battle.
 

Toxi

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Oct 27, 2017
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That is like, the main thing that desperately needs to be reverted. It completely ruins the greatest scene in the entire franchise. I don't even mind the special editions if you just remove those godawful "NOOOOOO"s.
I'm in this boat. Every other change pales in comparison to this horrible one.
 

TaySan

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Dec 10, 2018
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If they bring this in 4K UHD they better included Dolby Vision. No excuse if Disney Plus has it and the Blu Ray UHD doesn't.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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If they bring this in 4K UHD they better included Dolby Vision. No excuse if Disney Plus has it and the Blu Ray UHD doesn't.
You could say that for a lot of their movies. I agree with you, it's a shame that they don't care about the presentation of their content on the super expensive UHD's.

And why is Endgame and Infinity war not even in imax ! the home releases has obvious cropping. Their earlier films at least had that in the 3d versions.
 

yuhr33

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Here’s a hypothetical:

Say Disney decides to release the original trilogy in its original theatrical presentation. What special edition changes would you like to see retained if any? For me, the only positive change I can think of is the emperor’s appearance in The Empire Strikes Back.
 

smisk

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Oct 27, 2017
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Phil Noto blew my mind tweeting about how Han's jacket at the beginning of ESB is actually brown, not blue. Apparently this is the first time in a home release it's properly color graded.
 

Ryan.

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Oct 27, 2017
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Here’s a hypothetical:

Say Disney decides to release the original trilogy in its original theatrical presentation. What special edition changes would you like to see retained if any? For me, the only positive change I can think of is the emperor’s appearance in The Empire Strikes Back.
Boba Fett's voice. I would also want them to do a better job at matching the Emperor's face with his RotJ look.