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The reverberations of Boris Johnson's landslide victory are still echoing across the Atlantic, and a key question here is whether or not Republicans, eyeing their own next national election, are learning lessons.
The GOP has won three out of the last seven presidential contests, which is no small thing, and yet their wins have all been squeakers; including two losses in the actual popular balloting. Indeed, their last decisive win was way back in 1988. In other words, if Republicans truly wish to build a strong governing majority, they need to find more votes.

And Johnson, meanwhile, indeed found more votes. He racked up the biggest win for the Conservatives since 1987—or, to put it another way, he dealt Labour its worst defeat since 1935. So there's definitely something, over across the pond, for Yanks to study.

One useful take on Johnson's victory comes from Maurice Glasman, the founder of Blue Labour in the U.K. (In British political typology, blue is the color of the Conservative Party, so "Blue Labour" refers to Labour's right wing, focusing especially on social and cultural issues.)

Glasman's lament for his Labour Party is also something of a road map for Johnson's Tories. As Glasman put it, Johnson "has renewed his party for a generation and ripped into the Labour heartlands by aligning Brexit with national renewal and exposing the class divisions within Labour by siding with the poor." [emphasis added]

We can observe that here Glasman is conflating the poor with the downtrodden working class—and both groups, of course, look distinctly poor and ant-like from the lofty perspective of the London plutocrats who opposed Johnson—at least the Brexit part of him. Johnson's success, Glasman continues, was "to identify the Tories with the working class and the country towns and distance them from London and finance."

To put it mildly, the Conservative Party remains home to a good many toffs, and there are plenty of working class—especially among minorities, who compose about 13 percent of the British population—Labourites still left. So Glasman, always a Labour man, is justified in concluding his piece on a contingent note: "The central question for the next ten years is whether the Conservatives can recognize that their future now lies with labour."

In the meantime, looking ahead to the next one year, Donald Trump is seeking to rally his own proletarian vote—and, if he can, to expand it. His successful effort on behalf of criminal justice reform was a bid for expansion, as was his newfound friendship with Kanye West, the rapper-turned-uplifter.

Laughing at this article aside, does anyone actually think that the majority of cities could eventually turn red? We've seen regions and states flip from one party to the other, so who says it could happen to urban areas?

For that matter, I'm obviously for Democratic ran cities, rather than the other way around. Just a thought, though.
 
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Moppeh

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No shit. The rural vote is withering away. At some point, cities will be their only option. Especially if their is any sort of electoral reform in the States.
 

Keldroc

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"Particularly in Western states?" Good luck with that in Los Angeles. I assume the author is thinking of places like Bakersfield and San Diego here.
 

Orayn

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The "fight" is going to be voter suppression the likes of which we've never seen. Men with guns outside polling places interrogating anyone who doesn't look like a fellow chud, closing nearly every polling place, robocalls giving people incorrect dates and addresses, etc. All this in addition to outright cooking election results.

And guess what, they'll get away with all of it and successfully steal the election because everything is fake and actions don't have consequences anymore.
 

SolidSnakex

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The GOP's entire identity seems built around pandering to and toward fears of those in rural areas, including making it out as those in big cities just don't understand the "real" American's.
 

Foffy

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"Rapper-turned-uplifter" is quite a claim to make about a grifter...

The problem with the GOP is very simple. They support a vision of American society that the largest demographics in the country reject. This means, if they want power, they must reject democracy and neglect their wishes. Which is what they currently do.

This is all they can do.
 

Valiant

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Good luck. We like having high minimum wages, legal drugs, and safe havens for those in need.
 

Trey

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They lost the cities entirely. Might as well not waste their time. Their policies are fundamentally incompatible with urban sensibilities and dense population practicalities.
 

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It takes forever to get around in a city when you have to cross the road every time you see a black person.
 

Temascos

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This was purely about Brexit though, the votes for it consolidated in the right spots while Remain was spread out.

I believe 50 percent voted against the tories but tories got a solid 44 percent and it was in the right spots due to FPTP.

If conservatives ever want to win the future generations they actually have to start addressing our needs with climate change and inequality
 

Mathieran

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The GOP's entire identity seems built around pandering to and toward fears of those in rural areas, including making it out as those in big cities just don't understand the "real" American's.

Yep they would have to walk back a lot of comments that suggest people who live in the city are liberal elitists not worthy of voting. That wouldn't go over well with their current base.
 

GaimeGuy

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Conservatives should fuck off, stop electing fascists, stop trying to drag other people down, and stop trying to negotiate on basic human rights.
 

KtotheRoc

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The Republican Party should fall into the dustbin of history. There is nothing there worth salvaging.
 

Sho_Nuff82

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Yes, Republicans should focus more efforts on telling West Coast lower middle class workers that a decent minimum wage, high taxes on billionaires, and Medicare is bad for them. Because Kanye.
 

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lol, johnson and the tories didn't "side with the poor"

unless it's code for "siding with racists" which the gop is already doing
 

Kusagari

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Unless I'm confused about what happened to Labour, I thought the entire criticism of what happened to them in the election was that they tanked everywhere BESIDES the cities?

So why do they keep saying the Republicans need to copy Boris to win cities?
 

XMonkey

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Unless I'm confused about what happened to Labour, I thought the entire criticism of what happened to them in the election was that they tanked everywhere BESIDES the cities?

So why do they keep saying the Republicans need to copy Boris to win cities?
Because the people writing articles like this are idiots.
 

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The absolute sickest thing is, they are lowkey acknowleding they are killing off their base. Think about it
 

shnurgleton

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So, uh, Republicans should build infrastructure and show concern to urban minorities to win votes? Might as well ask them to become democrats
 
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No shit. The rural vote is withering away. At some point, cities will be their only option. Especially if their is any sort of electoral reform in the States.
So long as land carries so much power in the Senate and EC, they'll be fine even as rural areas continue to die.

They'll just win the presidency with a smaller and smaller minority of votes. It's frightening.
 

Arkestry

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What a fucking load of nonsense. Johnson increased his voteshare a tiny amount, and it was mostly in rural areas, the cities actually became more Labour than before. The landslide of the UK Election was down to the dice falling in Johnson's favour, and mostly against Labour. You don't have other parties to siphon votes away from the Democrats in America, so the two elections are basically non-comparable.
 

krazen

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I dunno, with gentrification changing the socioeconomic makeup of these cities and the persistent segregation in them that's a byproduct of NIMBY its not too crazy of an idea.

Pretty sure the magazine article is hoping no abortion and back to hatin deh gays by 2024, but I can certainly see a strain of conservatism taking hold and eventually leading back to those points a few generations in. Its how we had the 'tough on crime, but only really black people' 90's called on by repubs AND democratic politicians.
 

Koukalaka

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This was purely about Brexit though, the votes for it consolidated in the right spots while Remain was spread out.

I believe 50 percent voted against the tories but tories got a solid 44 percent and it was in the right spots due to FPTP.

If conservatives ever want to win the future generations they actually have to start addressing our needs with climate change and inequality

The Conservatives actually lost a large of votes in "safe" areas, resulting in a rather small net gain nationwide, but the way votes were split kinda insulated then.

A recent report on the data made for some interesting reading.
 
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It's the same short sighted strategy that plays out everywhere with everything else. No one cares a lick about anything further than about 15 seconds into the future, whether it is the physical destruction of the earth or election strategy.
 

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I think my favorite part was when they were talking about poor people living in hazardous conditions, walked right up to the edge of saying "hey, maybe proper regulation would have made things better" then ran away at full speed while their fantasy Republican that actually gives a shit about the poor met with business leaders to come up with a solution to broken fire alarms.
 

Ogodei

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The divide between urban and rural is becoming more stark. The countryside areas that were blue, in places like Wisconsin, are withering away outside of New England and places where rural != white like Hawaii, the Black Belt, and southernmost Texas. Meanwhile the urban and inner-suburban pockets of conservatism are also falling, which is part of what screwed over the GOP's gerrymander in 2018 was that they were relying on suburban educated whites tilting red, when now that's becoming the opposite.

In the United Kingdom you're not seeing the movement of educated people away from the Tories as quickly, and the fact that the UK is much whiter than we are.

The main issue with this approach, though, is that the GOP is on the wrong side of every issue that's important to Black and urban Hispanic Americans. They want more guns, more police brutality, less birth control, less housing reform, fewer housing and food benefits, dragged kicking and screaming to minimum wage hikes and opposed on the state level to sentencing reform, which is where the vast majority of incarcerations still occurred (and recall that Mitch McConnell had to be dragged into getting criminal justice reform through the Senate, so even when Trump wants it it's hard to get the GOP on it).

Trump still thinks the Central Park Five should be killed, for god's sake.

The GOP's built a three-legged stool of support and changing that will be difficult. The plutocrats, the racists, and the various Christian zealots all are essential to the GOP remaining nationally viable, and yet each group is toxic to their ability to expand their appeal. The plutocrats are toxic to organized labor and prevent further growth in the working class, the racists of course prevent expansion among minorities, and the Christian zealots are the main thing hurting them among the college educated. They will *need* to jettison one of these three legs to be able to win nationally before 10 years pass.
 

shnurgleton

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I think my favorite part was when they were talking about poor people living in hazardous conditions, walked right up to the edge of saying "hey, maybe proper regulation would have made things better" then ran away at full speed while their fantasy Republican that actually gives a shit about the poor met with business leaders to come up with a solution to broken fire alarms.
Yep, we must DEVELOP NEW REVENUE STREAMS AND GET FILTHY RICH in order to keep people from extremely preventable death by burning
 

LegendofJoe

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The divide between urban and rural is becoming more stark. The countryside areas that were blue, in places like Wisconsin, are withering away outside of New England and places where rural != white like Hawaii, the Black Belt, and southernmost Texas. Meanwhile the urban and inner-suburban pockets of conservatism are also falling, which is part of what screwed over the GOP's gerrymander in 2018 was that they were relying on suburban educated whites tilting red, when now that's becoming the opposite.

In the United Kingdom you're not seeing the movement of educated people away from the Tories as quickly, and the fact that the UK is much whiter than we are.

The main issue with this approach, though, is that the GOP is on the wrong side of every issue that's important to Black and urban Hispanic Americans. They want more guns, more police brutality, less birth control, less housing reform, fewer housing and food benefits, dragged kicking and screaming to minimum wage hikes and opposed on the state level to sentencing reform, which is where the vast majority of incarcerations still occurred (and recall that Mitch McConnell had to be dragged into getting criminal justice reform through the Senate, so even when Trump wants it it's hard to get the GOP on it).

Trump still thinks the Central Park Five should be killed, for god's sake.

The GOP's built a three-legged stool of support and changing that will be difficult. The plutocrats, the racists, and the various Christian zealots all are essential to the GOP remaining nationally viable, and yet each group is toxic to their ability to expand their appeal. The plutocrats are toxic to organized labor and prevent further growth in the working class, the racists of course prevent expansion among minorities, and the Christian zealots are the main thing hurting them among the college educated. They will *need* to jettison one of these three legs to be able to win nationally before 10 years pass.

Great post and I agree, I think the Christian fundamentalists will be who ends up getting jettisoned.
 

Rad Bandolar

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The Republicans have only won one Presidential election in over 30 years. The Electoral College is the only thing allowing them to get into office, so they have no need to make inroads in urban areas.
 
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I can see it happening. Lots of zoomers are conservative (its the new counter culture) so they can increase presence in college towns, which are usually in major metro areas, via groups like turning point.

And NIMBYism/gentrification in cities often involves rich individuals who act woke on social media but tend to vote GOP for tax reasons.

Still a long shot though given the education, general cultural priorities, and demographics of cities...but if its one thing we learned from 2016 its never dismiss and underestimate the darkest timeline(s)
 

Titik

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Yeah I actually think they have a chance.

The Yimby movement. Especially if Democrats continue to drag their feet when it comes to the high cost of housing which is actually starting to become an actual crisis if it's not already. In many cases they actually are the ones actively making the situation worst by being the biggest cheerleaders of NIMBYism.

You can see this blueprint with San Diego already where the Republican mayor is a big proponent of Yimby and he has never been popular. This is rare in California.
 

WedgeX

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They will always try and divide the groups under the Democrats tent pole and try to woo them by letting them into the white demographic, in service to the white aristocracy. It's how conservatives grew before in the US, and how they will seek to do so again. The Bush and Rubio's of the GOP maybe would've succeeded in peeling off more conservative immigrants from south of the US in plan they developed following Obama's election. But the GOP on the whole decided that showing the world that they could undo and stand for literally everything that's the opposite of a black President and his party was far more important.
 
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