Doesnt this just fly in the face of the themes of the first third of the game? Objectifying 17 year old girls?
The first third is about not using your power to take advantage of those you have power over.
Doesnt this just fly in the face of the themes of the first third of the game? Objectifying 17 year old girls?
Sounds like it's accurately following the game then.Doesnt this just fly in the face of the themes of the first third of the game? Objectifying 17 year old girls?
Don't pretend this holiest of holy series hasn't been up to the same tricks as everyone else in this industry for a lonnnnnng time now. Persona has never been above stuff like this. It's been better than most and fans can and should expect better, but you can't die on this hill and come back and be like "Ann's outfit is totally ok in the context of her character" or "It's totally not problematic that Tae is date-able when the MC is underage" because that doesn't square. I love this series a lot, but I recognize that sometimes the shit that comes out with it's name attached to it will make me uncomfortable. I also recognize that the people who DO like it totally aren't fucking monsters.
There's absolutely a larger conversation to be had about the fetishizing of teens in JP culture, but don't sit here and talk about how your OTHER fictional underage waifu is better and oh btw those of you who like this figure are totally pedos in training.
Don't pretend this holiest of holy series hasn't been up to the same tricks as everyone else in this industry for a lonnnnnng time now. Persona has never been above stuff like this. It's been better than most and fans can and should expect better, but you can't die on this hill and come back and be like "Ann's outfit is totally ok in the context of her character" or "It's totally not problematic that Tae is date-able when the MC is underage" because that doesn't square. I love this series a lot, but I recognize that sometimes the shit that comes out with it's name attached to it will make me uncomfortable. I also recognize that the people who DO like it totally aren't fucking monsters.
There's absolutely a larger conversation to be had about the fetishizing of teens in JP culture, but don't sit here and talk about how your OTHER fictional underage waifu is better and oh btw those of you who like this figure are totally pedos in training.
I'm not calling for any kind of censorship here, but that quote is precisely the point. For people to simply acknowledge this as an issue and treat is as such, is progress.Has there been a thread where female characters, if depicted in a suggestive manner, dont get critizised down for all the manners in which they are crap, unrealistic or offensive to some? It's to the point where the derail is expected and makes me think "oh man, he should have just not posted that here" when sensual stuff is posted. Within gaming this kind if stuff has been a thing forever, but there's a vocal community at ERA pretty upset whenever this stuff is posted. Legimately asking, is there a place for discussing this content at ERA?
The figurine is super pretty and attractive. I like anything with bikes.
Besides the pose, that's how she is in the game. Yet, oddly enough, I think barely anyone brought it up when P5 was released. So is it the figure or the game that's the problem? What age does this not become problematic? 18?I mean, this is a 17 year old in what appears to basically be a fetish suit (seriously look at those boots, the way it clings to her ass, and the pseudo-corset) posing in a sexually provocative manner. Its....well it sure is something
Persona has always been a problematic fave (tm).
Persona isn't good for being right, it's good for talking about things that most games don't. The bad shit like this is worth putting up with, but less and less with each installment.
It is why I am legitimately asking the question. Would be nice to get a mod to make a statement on it. I dont think it will be missed if imagery of sensualized stuff is avoided, I would just like to prevent seeing a constant backlash so the discussions about gaming can continue. Im sure theres plenty of other places to share this kind of stuff for the people that cant move on from it.I'm not calling for any kind of censorship here, but that quote is precisely the point. For people to simply acknowledge this as an issue and treat is as such, is progress.
It is why I am legitimately asking the question. Would be nice to get a mod to make a statement on it. I dont think it will be missed if imagery of sensualized stuff is avoided, I would just like to prevent seeing a constant backlash so the discussions about gaming can continue. Im sure theres plenty of other places to share this kind of stuff for the people that cant move on from it.
Also it's hilarious that in order to not compromise their ass out pose they had to stick transparent plastic on the feet because they wouldn't reach the ground
What's actually hilarious is people who aren't used to JP-figures, picking out all these little things and pretending they know any better.
Almost all figures have some connection to their display base, metal pegs, plastic, intentionally flattened surfaces... It's simple physics really. Certain poses require an anchor point else they would topple.
I own the motorcycle figure above from Fate/Zero. There are metal pegs in the tires and the foot opposite the viewer. It is possible the Makoto figure will come with a display base which also disguises the support pegs.
You should be!My lack of knowledge about Japanese figures has been exposed for mocking a pose where the figure is being suspended in air by their elbow. I am embarrassed
Edit: In the second picture even, you can see another P5 figure in the BG with a similar lump of plastic which conforms to the heel. Likely a metal rod is hidden.
I dunno if this thread is more about figures or waifus, buuuut-
Persona Best Girls - Definitive Listing
3: Yukari
4: Chie
5: Ann
-aaaand I'm out.
Plez, its obvs
- Kawakami
- Takemi
- Ohya
..i dont care for highschool women
Lmaooo
Signed. It's freaking creepy.I like the term Perv Pandering better, seems more appropriate for figurines like this.
I don't think a safe space for misogynistic art is conducive to inclusive forum discussion or societal change, tbh.It is why I am legitimately asking the question. Would be nice to get a mod to make a statement on it. I dont think it will be missed if imagery of sensualized stuff is avoided, I would just like to prevent seeing a constant backlash so the discussions about gaming can continue. Im sure theres plenty of other places to share this kind of stuff for the people that cant move on from it.
What exactly is misogynistic here, the pose in the statue? I dont consider this to be misogynistic considering the character it's based off of, if that's what you're referring to.I don't think a safe space for misogynistic art is conducive to inclusive forum discussion or societal change, tbh.
I don't think a safe space for misogynistic art is conducive to inclusive forum discussion or societal change, tbh.
Or we just don't care. I know, it's so weird being comfortable with yourself to the point where you can openly display the things you like.
Family, friends, neighbors, etc have all seen my colllection. And guess what? The worst I've gotten is 'well, whatever makes you happy' and it's never brought up again. My neighbor's seven year old kid loves them, she thinks they're 'real pretty'. My wife's boss thinks they're works of art.
Stereotypes are fun, I suppose.
Am I the only one who wants to see the front of the motorcycle?
That motorcycle persona is awesome.
But a closed discussion where you (for example) don't want to hear the voices of others, many of them women, is silencing. Silencing women is misogynistic.What exactly is misogynistic here, the pose in the statue? I dont consider this to be misogynistic considering the character it's based off of, if that's what you're referring to.
"Doesn't get many visitors."You seem awfully defensive about something you claim not to care about. At no point did I insult you or anyone else who has figurines like these.
What are your thoughts on the many western figures of superheroes? They both show off men and women's figure in exquisite detail. The difference is with Japanese is that the girls are often young compared to Western made figures.But a closed discussion where you (for example) don't want to hear the voices of others, many of them women, is silencing. Silencing women is misogynistic.
I mean it could be said such a disregard for objectification and sexualisation of women shows a misogynistic lack of respect, but I'm just explaining my reasoning for using that word, not trying to fan any flames.