Even with all the bullshit the USA has pulled, is pulling and will be pulling, I would rather be their puppet than China's.
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The CIA says that China’s security agencies provided funds for Huawei: report
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Even with all the bullshit the USA has pulled, is pulling and will be pulling, I would rather be their puppet than China's.
As many issues as I have with the US government, we haven't had a track record of routinely disappearing people criticizing the government. I'd long have been murdered if I lived in China. So nah.
Yes the USSR used whataboutism to deflect any discussion about their wrongdoings to point back at the USA.
However this thread about China and Huawei. Whatever the USA and CIA had done derails the conversation and draws false equivalence between the two countries.
Only that people are screaming whataboutism after the fact was stated that the CIA and US other agencies failed to provide any evidences about backdoors in Huawei hardware in all those years.
They're not going to provide evidence which would be classified as it would reveal how they know and what they know. It's how the spy game works.
Believe it or not but it's always been this way.
There was also forensic evidence that Russian malware compromised the DNC and people still didn't believe it.
That's nonsense. One proven evidence of a backdoor in crucial network infrastructure would kill Huawei and China's ambitions in the network and telecommunications industry and would end all discussion about the topic.
That's how reality works. Not your James Bond fantasy.
I'm pretty leary about all the Huawei shit. Like, it literally started becoming a thing a few months after Trump started a trade war with China. The timing is suspicious. Not the behavior. The behavior is basically what I expect every government in every country with enough money to do it is doing. But the sudden PR swing against it feels like its probably generated to try and drum up anti-Chinese sentiment in the west.
I don't disagree with that.
My point is they wouldn't want to reveal what they know and how they know it to keep China guessing.
If they publicly disclose it, it could be used by other third parties, whereas the US government can probably use it themselves.
Such vulnerabilities are always kept secret as long as possible.
Your fantasy is thinking the CIA will publish detailed evidence in order to make sure the Glenn Greenwalds of the world are convinced.
The USA only needs to convince the various national secret and security agencies.
Not random forum posters.
Showing proof would mean no Huawei hardware within the EU and other parts in the world.
So if they actually know anything, they are doing a pretty bad job at handling it.
The most pragmatic way of looking at this (assuming you are a westerner) is deciding whether you want to be spied on by a democratic hegemony that is likely allied with your country, or a borderline-fascist up and coming totalitarian dictatorship with increasing global influence. Unless you go full Richard Stallman there's really no way to opt out of it, so pick your poison.
Even if you go full anti-American and consider them worse than the PRC due to their external meddling, the decision comes down to supporting a country that treats others like shit versus a country that treats their own people like shit. Maybe it's selfish, but I'd sure as hell rather live in a relatively free interventionist country than an IRL 1984 society that sticks to economic intimidation over physical warfare.
Even if you go full anti-American and consider them worse than the PRC due to their external meddling, the decision comes down to supporting a country that treats others like shit versus a country that treats their own people like shit. Maybe it's selfish, but I'd sure as hell rather live in a relatively free interventionist country than an IRL 1984 society that sticks to economic intimidation over physical warfare.
"Spied" would mean we are eatijg up the CIA narrative. Any 5G infrastructure will be used to spy potential sabotage. Even ignoring that countries are running IT security systems which would actually easily find out if data get send somewhere unknown.
You would have more success to get data from the various services of interest.
Countless companies get breached and they find out months later someone uploaded terabytes of their stuff to China or Russia and no one noticed. And US Government isn't exactly good at this stuff given how OPM was breached among others. Countless ways to obscure this stuff.
And this isn't some "James Bond fantasy", I've worked with people whose job was to find out what businesses China will be targeting in advance and to notify or protect potential targets.
Maybe you're too young to remember the last big blunder from the CIA using an anonymous UK source.
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Certain people ITT working hard for their Chinese Social Credit.
Let's summarize some facts:
Also: please grow out of childish binary "good vs. evil" thinking! Just saying the CIA is telling bullshit does not imply in the slightest that China is the good guy here or in any other aspect.
- The CIA is well known for making us manufacturers plant backdoors in their products. Hard prove exists for that.
- The CIA is well known for providing completely made-up evidence to perpetuate their agendas. Hard prove exists for that.
- Huawei has been accused a million times of planting backdoors n their products as ordered by Chinese regime. We are still waiting for the first hard prove of that actually happening.
Also: please grow out of childish binary "good vs. evil" thinking! Just saying the CIA is telling bullshit does not imply in the slightest that China is the good guy here or in any other aspect.
I'm sure the US did the same to say Cisco or the like. I mean the US is the last country to point fingers regarding espionage etc.
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please leave black people out of this. No one wants a part in this stupid whataboutism debate.
Yup leave us black out of there mouth. It aint the best but at least I can move about my own country how I please for the most part and am not beong subjected to a brainwashing reeducation camp.
China is trying to cleanse itself of everything not Han chinese so much that i doubt it would evee look into thebface of all the minorities they have killed and destroyed the culture of in the march to racial purity and harmony in thier nation
https://www.theepochtimes.com/micro...at-could-give-hackers-access_2863926.html/amp
Microsoft found a backdoor in Huawei laptops:
For someone who works in the IT security industry, you are sure misleading .
It's a safety vulnerability , which if you even read just your quoted part happened in the past. It's also long fixed - what Microsoft and Huewei did regarding to this backdoor is business as usual.
Imagine Intel is a Chinese company, I bet you would cry wolf now regarding Spoiler or Spectre.
https://www.dsogaming.com/news/spoi...l-intel-cpus-amds-cpus-safe-from-this-thread/
How am I being misleading? All I did is post that backdoors have been found in Huawei products. So it's hardly unprecedented to see the US accuse Huawei.
You're acting like the US accused the Vatican of planting spyware.
Of course it's a vulnerability.
, you think it's going to be called CCPBackdoor.exe running as a service?
Right in that same article it's noted that it's same technique used by leaked NSA malware called DoublePulsar. Intentionally inserting vulnerabilities is the way to go, if someone finds you can just say "oops we will fix it sorry".
Now if it's a remote access tool that accepts a login name "ccpspy" it's a little harder to claim "we don't know how that got there", when it's inevitably found.
And of course it's been fixed. Microsoft found it, reported it to Huawei who had no choice but to fix it given the scrutiny on them. Microsoft reported it long after it was fixed.
Does all of this apply even when people find vulnerability issues on Windows? Are you saying that even those are "pre planted"?
Or you could just link to Microsoft's blog plost.
Which doesn't support your view at all.
Of course not.
All I said was that the Huawei flaw used the same techniques as the NSA malware did.
Spy agencies are far more likely to study platforms like Windows, Android or IOS, find vulnerabilities and keep it to themselves. Or buy them.
What did you do that would have gotten you murdered in China?
Moving the goalposts again now?
https://www.microsoft.com/security/...stigation-unearths-privilege-escalation-flaw/
Hmm Windows Defender picked up this harmless "safety vulnerability".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DoublePulsar
So according to you CIA/NSA bad(don't disagree here).
But Huawei using similar exploits is a harmless "safety vulnerability".
I think what posters here are claiming is that US and China are fighting for hagemony there is no right or wrong it is just a fight so it's ironic that Western posters here are claiming moral high ground. It is simply us vs. them and you should be honest about it.
P.S. and some users are crying whataboutism. You have literally two choices, I don't think mentioning bad things about one of them is invalid.
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Pretty much. It's naive to think that no country has access to your data. I'm sorry, but that is the world we live in now. As much as I dislike the US government, China having easier access to your data is probably worse than the US having it
It is not just "the West". Go ask someone from Taiwan or Hong Kong if they prefer the US or the CCP. The Chinese government is disliked even more in East Asia than the west.
Eh, even the majority in Asia.
Most countries here are conservative as hell but China takes it to a whole new level.
I'm not defending the USA, I just find it amusing that posters crawl out of the woodwork acting like China spying and having backdoors is unprecedented and we need some hard core evidence before we can make a conclusion.
But in the meantime here is some bad shit the US has done so let's talk about that instead.
This happens in literally every china-related topic in this forum. It's extremely predictable at this point.
That "posters crawl out of the woodwork" is a pretty pathetic method to paint the posters who give their opinion in a bad way. It is so visible and a pretty weak response.
It is pretty clear that the USA and China are in a war to frame the narrative and control the market.
I don't think that the CIA is innocent in that part of warfare.
Yes you can talk which government would be preferable to control the market. And in that department, I would choose the USA (although their behavior is rapidly declining) , China is oppressive and authoritarian. But that is not in the scope of this story.
This so much. This is more an economic-geopolitic stance rather than actual caring about privacy and safety
well... actually, the Huawei thing started in 2012 under Obama. Most people don't seem to remember, but the Obama administration too was fighting its own little economic war against the Chinese, and 2012 marked the peak of the currency debate. So... kinda back to square one.
they're still subject to the Patriot Act and various other US "national security" laws. If you care about privacy, you should go with European companies as those are subject to GDPR and are accountable to 20+ different consumer protection agencies. Too bad there aren't many alternatives left, because capitalism doesn't reward those who respect their users.
going out on the shakiest limb to do what exactly? Point out that the US and its agencies have been pretty consistent in dealing with economic rivals?
Though I'd rather have Xi buy my book, I can't live off of gratefulness.