Honest question to this point in particular:
When did Deroir actually do this?
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The controversial ArenaNet firings of Guild Wars 2 writers (READ OP)
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Honest question to this point in particular:
When did Deroir actually do this?
Yeeeeeeah. They can because they pay her money to do a job and if her work causes a possible loss of revenue because she flew off the handle to one of your most prominent customers you are going to get fired. If it had been some rando customer that likely would have been a warning but a content creator that focuses on your game is treated differently, especially with the amount of vitriol Price had over a well meant tweet. If one of my employees did something like that to such a prominent customer that this customer brings in even more revenue to my company she has become a giant liability. I would rather she were not fired but she hasn't even admitted she did anything wrong or apologized. If she had apologized before she got fired I bet she would still have a job now and she would have just been warned and it was justified.
wtf are you talking about? Twitter is a public forum. Whether you engage with people or not is up to you, but unless you set your account to private or whatever options Twitter has, you and what you say is open to the world, and is no different than shouting it out in public.
No where, the guy is actually a fan of hers, but people have strawmanned him into being a GGer.
This is exactly the sort of thing that's killing The Discourse.
GG were asshole creeps, but saying "Oh, if you take their side on anything, then you're in the wrong!" is absolutely fucking insane.
Because they aren't deserving of a civil discourse. A forum that values marginalized members would have banned several of the users in this thread months ago.
Your personal account stops being personal once you start using it for work related purposes AND you list your company on that as well AND you're broadcasting your views on a public platform.
For ex: You're wearing your Subway employee t-shirt on your way back home (so you're off-hours) and someone records a video of you yelling obscenities at an elderly man for no apparent reason. That video then goes viral. You think you're still gonna have a job? Or if you were the boss, you'd still keep that employee around?
What if they say its impossible to grow beans that lack the bitter taste despite the fact that you've eaten beans that lack the bitter taste?
You know an easy way to not lose your job? Don't publicly insult your customers, mock someones death, or talk crap about your previous employers when you're inevitably let go for toxic behaviour.
The tweet has been posted in this thread. I don't see how that can be seen as not dancing on someone's grave. Is she going in hard on him like that one guy that (I think he worked at Bioware) got fired over it? No, but it's still grave-dancing.
I'm not going to comment on whether or not I agree with this, but just as a heads up I got a 3 day ban for basically saying exactly this.
That viewpoint is actually insane.
No court over here would side with the employer over a termination like that
I think it's pretty obvious that the former is far worse than the latter. But you know that but have decided to dig your hole deeper. Jeez.
Step back from the screen and reevaluate what you're typing.
Companies should protect their employees from hate mobs on the internet. Companies should not fire employees based on the employee bringing them bad PR over a viral video. Companies should own up to the bad PR and make sure that they do not support hate mobs like GamerGate on the internet by firing the employee.
The consequences of someone saying "asshat" to someone else on twitter on your personal account and another person defending it get both fired.
Those kind of consequences are unacceptable. They should have received some punishment, but not this. This is giving mobs of entiitled gamers the power to harass people on social accounts.
lying? how many times that tweets been posted on here now?
Literally the only thing GG stands for is the harassment of women and minorities.That's their only side and only consistent viewpoint.
Where's "over here," because I live in Canada and I can think of several cases locally where people have been let go from jobs for doing dumb shit in their off time.
You may think you are in control of your own life; however, you are but an extension of your employer. They own you, they direct how you operate in and outside of work, and most people will lick those boots until the day they die because they want food on the table. This happens regardless of you wearing their clothing or representing them in any obvious form.
Worse actually. Twitter is a public, permanent record of what you post on it.
As many times as people have explained the difference between the tweet and actually celebrating someone's death.
"You people", huh? I can assure you that whatever it is you think you're infering from my post is most likely wrong.
because there is a wide chasm between choosing to engage with someone and having opinions and throughrs violently hurled at you against your consent in public. they couldn't be more different
Fair enough, no that's not me.
A bit of a clumsy analogy lol
Do you believe these "desperate" anti-GG weirdos are the only ones bringing up GG?
You're not getting it if you think this is about being called a Gamergater. Read fyrewulfs post:
you wore your uniform, which can be publicly identified and traced back to your company, as a somewhat high level position going into a bar and getting into a public verbal argument with someone else that ends with telling them to fuck off, and you don't get fired? i cant tell if you're delusional or if you're just trying to banbait.
Nvm, stupid hot-take/comparison. Your professionalism needs to extend past work hours as it reflects on you as a human being. Companies fire people all the time for bad optics. This isn't anything new.
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Well, the guy whom I was replying to said that people shouldn't be offended if someone calls them an asshat ...
And what you're saying is that - you can can offense selectively based upon job type, industry, etc. as well as on the situation.
Interesting.
Is there a list of jobs & industries based on which I can call customers "rando asshats" and not face any consequences?
The above is the opinion of a friend of mine who was the HR lead of a 1000+ employee organization and is now the CPO of another major company.
They shouldn't. But if they want to appear better than him, they should stay silent when people close to him are still grieving. If they don't, only they can be blamed for whatever consequences come their way. If that means being fired, then that means being fired.
Again, freedom of speech does not mean freedom from consequences.
To preface again, I do not think Price should have been fired. I think she should have gotten reprimanded, just as your friend should get reprimanded in the situation you proposed.
That being said, things are going to be treated differently with local vs global situations like this. A very visible social interaction on social media is not the same as some altercation at a bar. The consequences of the latter could be a shitty yelp review. The consequence of the former is far more wide-reaching.
I'm quite happy whenever antifa discovers the identity of one of those guys and gets them fired from their job or expelled from college.
He said in a later post that he's from Germany, so I wouldn't be surprised if they had a more sane track record when it comes to taking away people's livelyhoods for doing dumb but otherwise harmless things.
LOL. This forum often celebrates when conservatives and Trump say something and later it comes back to bite it in their asses so I guess it's OK if I laugh at the irony of this statement.Best part is, Jessica herself realises this, yet conveniently forgot all about it when said financial consequences came back to bite her on the ass.
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IMO, this firing isn't controversial at all. Writer was being an asshole to somebody that didn't deserve it. She must have been too proud to apologize publicly so her employed fired her. The only undeserved punishment here was given to the other male writer that defended her but nobody gives a shit about him.
The biggest reasonable reaction, at MOST, to this should've been people calling for a boycott of ArenaNet or something.
I can see the point of wanting insulting customers to have consequences.
But that consequence shouldn't be getting fired.
I fear for a world in which working for a company means you're eternally bound to be agreeable to people just because they're customers.
People should be free to speak as they wish, which includes their workplace.
A reasonable compromise between this and holding people accountable for their behavior through work would've been calling for a boycott. At most.
I can see the point of wanting insulting customers to have consequences.
But that consequence shouldn't be getting fired.
I fear for a world in which working for a company means you're eternally bound to be agreeable to people just because they're customers.
People should be free to speak as they wish, which includes their workplace.
A reasonable compromise between this and holding people accountable for their behavior through work would've been calling for a boycott. At most.
No, it really isn't. Don't publicly broadcast stuff about your work and shit on people who respond in a way that displeases you. I mean, go ahead and do that, but just remember that it's completely public and your employer may not be cool with that at all.
This comparison doesn't work because Price didn't charge him for anything. She made a big thread about the difficulty of a certain aspect of her position, and some dude, who isn't a professional, tells her how to do her job. She responds rudely, but it's hardly surprising when you have countless people already combarding you with criticism or demands for attention, or this ill-assumed "closeness" that validates an unprompted exchange.
This isn't someone being mad about being overcharged for coffee. This is someone going up and telling the person behind the counter how to make their coffee better. Another in a long daily barrage of comments about your work.
This is a really good observation yet no one is paying attention to it.
But how far worse is? Does that mean that if do several times less worse things I get fired? We are trying to make a scale of "social wrongness" on our private lives here to give companies more random reasons to fire us outside of out working capacity. Please be cooperative.
The fact that simple reality is so foreign to so many people is honestly upsetting
That in no way excuses any harassment his family had to endure and still has to endure after his passing.
I consider it a deep part of human compassion and simple, honest decency to not lambast an individual who has passed away nor pass on said vitriol to their family and loved ones.
People like to say that individuals are flipping out on one side of matters, but then turn a blind eye to those who are doing the same disgusting acts towards a deceased individual and their family and loved ones. Simply because they disagree with the individual and their actions when they were alive does not give anyone a get out of jail free card to act like an outright ass to their family and kin.
We as human beings should be far above and well beyond this kind of crap. Seriously.
opinions and thoughts violently hurled?
The guy gave some polite criticism/suggestion after a public AMA....
Nobody here is defending the bullshit GG was spewing on twitter, but the initial criticism that kickstarted this mess was anything but "violently hurled."
User Banned (Permanent): Downplaying the impact of a harassment movement and mocking other members is unacceptable, history of similar behaviour, account still in the junior phase
Thank you.
My point being that it is very clearly about one focal point and any stronger question than "should she be fired for being an asshole" is up to speculation, examination of the American workforce, and agendas, but not because it's actually about this.
Case in point, if she wasn't an asshole, none of this would be happening. She'd still have her job, feelings would be spared, sexists would... still be sexists, but that's life.
Besides the much moreso desperate, actual GamerGaters? Yes. Yes I do.
The time came out like an explosion and faded just as quickly. Trump got elected, the victims of the movement recovered, everyone moved on, except for the ones who never shut up about it.
