Discussion in 'Video Games' started by hydrophilic attack, Jul 11, 2018.
I have known people who have gotten fired for some shady shit outside of work. I work at a college and could get fired for calling a student an asshat even during the weekend off hours.
This whole situation would be different if she had dealt with someone who was actually harassing her, she didn't though and so here we are.
Personally, I think devs should just stop talking to gamers. Gamers have shown repeatedly that they can't be civil or reasonable and that the second they get their feelings hurt they start massive campaigns to harass and target people. Very few other mediums put up with allowing their employees to be treated like this routinely. And watching people in here defend this sort of stuff is just depressing, but not unexpected. Gamer entitlement in the guise of consumer rights continues to be one of the worst things that has happened to the industry. No one owes you an explanation. No one owes you a conversation. Buy the game or don't, but the idea that your purchase gives you the right to hound and terrorize developers is one of the most deeply fucked up notions held by a lot of otherwise reasonable people.
Also, what about the exchange in question made it "mansplaining" in your mind, rather than just objecting and suggesting? Was it merely the gender of the two parties involved?
The topic of rampant sexism in the industry is very much alive.
I suppose if you really think "GamerGate" is a thing that's not a "thing" anymore, this really just looks like a rude lady on Twitter. I'd point out the fact that this a controversy for a reason.
Some of you are so naive when it comes to PR and Public Perception.
He did give polite criticism, but it was unasked for criticism that was explaining her job to her from someone with no experience in that field. All she did was dismiss it, and not even *that* rudely. If you read this thread without seeing the tweets you would assume she told this dude to kill himself
That it doesn't always happen is circumstantial. Every day, someone may have the abiltity to murder you without consequence, and they often choose not to.
The point is rather that the ability for this to happen at all shouldn't exist. At the very least, the ability to deprive someone of a secure existence should reside within a much greater community than a group of owners of private property.
This argument is much closer to an argument about whether a slave owner should or should not have beaten or killed a slave. It's on that same moral and structural level.
On a completely disregarded level would be a conversation about whether the master-slave relationship is one that should continue to exist.
I don't see that level of argument about this case. There's room for it, though.
The part where an unqualified man told a qualified woman how her job works after she just explained it
That’s like the dictionary definition of mansplaining lmao
"asshat" will not
Saying she was her own undoing isn't ignoring that gamergate was trying t influence the situation, but I'm willing to bet any actual influence is overstated on both the part of this firing as well as the landscape of game devs as a whole and female devs specifically.
Mainly because as everyone notes, this harassment is not even remotely new.
I also take issue with the statement that a violation of policy becomes more viable should the ability to terminate become crowdsourced, which would be the real end game here. Ownership doesn't matter as much as the power of immediate supervision.
Can you imagine Trump saying "THAT WAS MY PERSONAL TWITTER ACCOUNT AND NO ONE SHOULD ENGAGE WITH ME ON IT ONLY THE PEOPLE WHO AGREE WITH ME BECAUSE LIBERAL CONSPIRACY"
No, let's think of this: in response to a morally ambiguous, definitely bad-looking PR movie, GG is going to... intentionally antagonize women, as they've always been doing, to justify them being mean to them on the internet? Is this how this works?
Fucking bigotry didn't begin in 2015.
I call it an obsession because you like every game-related act of bigotry specifically to this movement.
It's honestly that simple.
Who is saying she deserves the hateful scum being thrown her way?
As someone said, this is the reality of HR/Corporations.
Right when you think I think I have the world figured out at age 40, all I have to do is come into one of these threads.
Mansplaining. I honestly had no idea what the fuck this was. I asked my wife, and she looked like I was from another planet; so we looked it up (gave her some examples from this thread).
(of a man) explain (something) to someone, typically a woman, in a manner regarded as condescending or patronizing.
This is what I get from the dictionary. However, going through this thread, there seems to be hundreds of different meanings that make absolutely no sense. The definition from the dictionary is pretty straight forward, and makes sense. No hidden meanings. No weird context to worry about. Just when a man, addresses/explains in a condescending/patronizing manner to a person/female.
With that said, I did not detect any of those qualities in the streamers tweets. However, people are going to read text and interrupt the message their own way no matter how articulate the person may write, as 2/3 of the way we communicate is missing. Body language/eye contact, and voice. These factors can make an offensive message, innocent, which is why I still prefer to communicate face to face.
I’m getting the feeling that a lot of comments trending towards that view that repurcussions should not be faced have not worked in the states or other countries that have policies like this amongst the companies therein.
Either that, or it is possible they work in environments that are not corporate in nature and have little experience with Company Social Media policies.
I mean, those policies exist because companies can get into a crap ton of Legal Trouble just from a single employee flying off the handle in a bad way on social media or even in public. One reason amongst many.
It sucks yes in many ways, but that is our world in the social media environment we are in.
like what purpose does this post serve
With this firing she still hasn't apologized to Deroir who did nothing wrong , most likely the same with the TB tweet.
Women need to thank me for my non-expert opinion on game narratives. Do women even play video games?
I guess people think th only reason she was disciplined was because of gamergate pressure and not because she very publicly insulted a customer
Have you seen what is going on *right now*? People are getting targeted in social media by this hate mob. And what lead to Price getting called in by her shitty cowardly boss? Targeted campaigns.
Price did not act professionally on a public platform that is linked to ArenaNet by her own choice. It's extremely similar to the Tyler1/RiotSanjuro drama from a while back, except that the role of Sanjuro has been taken by Price. The inability for people to look past Price's gender and think of her as a victim when they wouldn't bat an eye if the roles were reversed, as they haven't in the past, is pure schadenfreude.
explained by my history, but it sure doesn't excuse it. Same with this case. There was objectively no reason for her to be that mean. And from the way she's coming at this after getting fired, it sure doesn't seem like she was all that amenable in any way either.
never ever, in the history of the internet, happen without this specific event.
Y'know, the event that happened first?
Wow. Seeing a few of you post back-to-back is like looking through the house of mirrors at a carnival. Absolutely insane.