That's the most important bit though.
Men getting away with being shitbags doesn't excuse a woman being a shitbag. They shouldn't be getting away with it either.
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Men getting away with being shitbags doesn't excuse a woman being a shitbag. They shouldn't be getting away with it either.
You do understand that a lot of people see that as the most important part that led to her firing, right? A lot of people like yourself disagree and say her firing is actually the direct result of a hate mob having formed that harassed her and called for her head until Arena Net capitulated. I really don't see evidence of that in this particular instance. It's not in the OP. It's not in any of the articles I've seen on the subject. It's not in any of the posts I've read in this thread.
The thread about the trans woman almost being fired is 10 pages long and still active. It hasn't been passed over. It's smaller because almost everyone on this forum agrees that it is a completely fucked up situation. The only real disagreement in there seems to whether the CEO in question should be named and shamed or not.
Seeing this kind of response restores my faith in ERA, I expected the complete opposite discussion before opening this thread. Glad to see that most people understand that this kind of behavior is punishable when you are discussing things pertaining to your employer and/or your professional work.
Also, in this day and age, just falsely accusing someone of sexism can end his/her career and life so it's definitely not something to be taken lightly. For that alone, she deserved it 100%.
Outside of Kamiya where some would consider being blocked/insulted by him as some sort of badge of honor, who else?
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the main thread on reddit had over 4000 responses
there were comments like that, but they have since been removed. from a mod post in that reddit thread:
so the smoking gun evidence you're looking for has been removed, but it was certainly there at one point
but even the cleaned up version of the thread had people calling for her to be fired:
I honestly can not even comprehend why someone would fire two persons because of this tweets. Thats ridiculous.
So its either the boss hated those to anyway and saw this as an opportunity to get rid of them, or the company is in trouble anyway and wants to get rid of employees.
So its either the boss hated those to anyway and saw this as an opportunity to get rid of them, or the company is in trouble anyway and wants to get rid of employees.
Well to be fair, Sarkeesian had comments disabled for Youtube. Didn't really help her against harassment. They come to you on some other way if they can't comment on blog, article etc.
Edit: To be clear, absolutely not referring to Deroir as a harasser of any sort. He's blameless in this and approached Price as respectfully as one could. Strictly talking about the GG folk and their ilk when mentioning harassment.
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It's also important to remember Sarkeesian never attacked anyone for no reason
Her videos are mostly valid (also important for the medium) critique and yet she got all kind of shit thrown at her because of those. I wish she got responses like "I slightly disagree" and not ones that make her fear for her life. No doubt Price has got plenty of those too.
But mainly I wanted to point out that even when people make it clear (blocking comments) that they aren't really looking for replies, they still get them. Though I don't think it's clear when someone posts on a puplic Twitter account.
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Just wanted to add I personally dont think these writers should've lost their jobs. So glad I remain anonymous on social media sites because it's not worth losing your job over this stuff.
Hopefully they got huge severance packages but I doubt it....
Hopefully they got huge severance packages but I doubt it....
This. Every time someone wants to remove anonymity from the Internet, I think of these types of scenarios and cringe.
Oh, it's been cleaned up? Because that thread was linked earlier and I sorted it from old to new to read in chronological order (as much as Reddit allows for that), and didn't really see a whole lot that would constitute a GamerGate-style harassment campaign. It looked largely similar to this thread, honestly.
Wouldn't a lot of the harassment have taken place on Twitter, either directly towards Price or towards ArenaNet? I'm not seeing any of that over there and they don't delete shit for the most part.
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eh, i took a quick look in her replies and saw a few responses from suspicious egg accounts with 3 total tweets
and who knows what the twitter algorithm is filtering away from the public eye
Fair enough.
I've seen a lot of GamerGate and 4Chan shithead coordinated attacks and, to me at least, this does not look like those at all. Not to say that Price has not been subjected to such hate campaigns in the past. We have evidence that she has.
It's just that in this particular instance, I don't see anything that indicates that Arena Net caved to a raging mob rather than just made a decision based solely on the actions of the employee(s) in question. I personally feel like firing on the spot was a bit too much, but I can also see why Arena Net would react that way given the circumstances.
Having seen the degree to which this situation has emboldened the Alt-Right and GamerGate this past week I have hard changed my position on her firing from "It's understandable why she was fired" to being very against.
That's the thing someone can take what you say, which could be a completely innocent non controversial statement and somehow twist it, take it out of context and use it against you. You especially cant say stuff ironically, sarcastically or jokingly in the past and have changed recently. And it doesnt matter if its corrected or discovered to have been twisted later on. In this immediate information age no one cares about corrections or accurate information. Your reputation is ruined in the eyes of the majority of people.
Even if the firing itself was justified, there is very little justification for how the firing was handled. It empowered all the wrong people.
Would ya look at that, a poster who pays attention, listens and adapts to actual reality rather than having their head so far up their own ass that they can't detach their theoretical principles no matter what is going on around them. Genuine kudos to you!
Context matters and protecting employees from hate movements is ALWAYS more important than enforcing professionalism when those two things are at odds. So, once more with feeling; fuck everyone involved in this firing over at ArenaNet.
This was a good thing to see when coming back to this thread.
Yeah it really was a sad state of affairs isn't it? I gotta be honest though, I don't think firing was a bad course right? Its a lose lose situation anyway. On one hand you fire her and this happens and on the other you keep her and you cause further divide in your community for keeping an aggressive dev. What she said was a baaaad thing and Arenanet couldn't just let her get away it with it. While I believe the firing was an understandable outcome maybe it was best to have very strong words with her or...idk something to that effect in order to limit the amount of...Gamergateness.
I forgot the guy's name but he should not have been fired at all. He just came in at the wrong time to defend a co-worker. He should just have been told off
I mean after all this time, it's not obvious that Arenanet could have also apologized to Deroir if that was such a huge deal and ensured that the two didn't interact with him beyond that incident?
Something like:
"A few of our staff had an interaction via social media with a member of our community that did not conform to our standard of community interaction. The involved employees have been disciplined according to our policies and will undergo training to ensure their future interactions with our community are productive and positive.
To the member of our community, Deroir, we would like to issue an apology in words and with an account specific flair to reflect our acknowledgment of his contributions to our fan base."
Would that have been hard to do?
Something like:
"A few of our staff had an interaction via social media with a member of our community that did not conform to our standard of community interaction. The involved employees have been disciplined according to our policies and will undergo training to ensure their future interactions with our community are productive and positive.
To the member of our community, Deroir, we would like to issue an apology in words and with an account specific flair to reflect our acknowledgment of his contributions to our fan base."
Would that have been hard to do?
This.
Also you shouldn't use terms like " hurt manfeels" if you complain about sexism. It's like saying Jessica Price and Peter Fries are racist persons because they attacked a streamer from Denmark and then adding some racist prejudices about the USA.
In my opinion her tweet about TotalBiscuit speaks volumes about her character:
It's been a while since we've seen a driveby link to a 20+ minute video with no summary.
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the absolute NERVE of that woman who was thrown under the bus to appease and embolden a hate movement!
Thanks for reminding me to definitely boycott anything YongYea ever puts out, phew. Fucking scum.
It's pretty bizarre that he's complaining about her tweets four weeks after the incident, but then I checked his channel and saw that the two previous videos he did on the ArenaNet event were substantial peaks in views.
As I saw someone say before, that channel seems to be the video form of a top uprated post on r/gaming.
As I saw someone say before, that channel seems to be the video form of a top uprated post on r/gaming.