The difference between 1440p and 4K is virtually indiscernible even when sitting close to a 55" TV

[Deleted member 2834]

I sit about ~1.50 - 1.70m (depending on my head's position) away from a 55" Samsung TV and I couldn't tell the difference if my life depended on it. Neither could anybody who's been at my place. 4K are a complete waste of resources as far as I'm concerned and I refuse to believe that anybody could reliably tell those two resolutions apart. I feel like the 1080p → 1440p jump is substantial. 1080p looks washed out, whereas 1440p removes all the softness of the image but anything beyond that, whether 1800p or 4K, requires a splitscreen comparison to show the benefits. And I'm not even sure if that helps. Can you tell 1440p and 4K apart?

 

[Deleted member 2474]

i play on a 27" 4k PC monitor and can see the difference easily.

 

[Spider-Man]

Yes. It isn't even close. I'm using the newest 60" 4K set from Sony. Sitting right in front of it basically.

1440p is basically closer to 1080p than 2160p too. So I'm still confused.

 

[piratethingy]

Can I tell the difference? Yes. Is it as dramatic as SD->1080p->1440p? No.

Both can be true.

 

[Lowrys]

I struggle to see the difference sometimes. I realise this admission may mean revocation of my gaming credentials.

 

[PennyStonks]

You need glasses. Some people can't see high refresh rates, but I'm pretty sure resolution/distance is the same for people with 20/20 vision.

 

[Ryuelli]

Depends on the movie. I can tell with movies that are truly 4k, but something upscaled is harder to tell.

Games I can't really tell the difference between.

 

[Flandy]

I sit about 6 or 7 feet away from my 55" KS8000 and the difference isn't that grand for me. Doesn't help that tons of games these days use TAA which softens the image and makes it even more difficult to tell. I do wonder how much easier it would be for me to tell the difference on a 32" 4k monitor 2-3 feet apart though

 

[EVA UNIT 01]

I can tell the difference.
But it's not as massive as 1080 to 1440.

 

[Monster Zero]

I can see it but its not a bid deal to me. I will gladly take 1440p 120hz on my TV vs 4K 60Hz.

 

[skeezx]

i agree but TVs aren't marketed with "2k capability" so consoles have to acclimate to that

ideally it'd be like PC monitors where options are 'good, better, best' in relation to 1080/1440/4k but that's just not the way it is

 

[Prolepro]

well

the human eye cant even see 4k after all

 

[Vitamin_B_Complex]

Did a test with 2 friends by playing star wars fallen order and changing resolutions. 1440p and 4k on my 65" Sony is almost impossible to tell apart from regular viewing distance. The second the game is moving, it's impossible and guesswork.

Anyone claiming otherwise is bullshitting or their TV has a crappy upscaler.

 

[Mullet2000]

In games the difference is obvious to me.

In a movie or video it's significantly less obvious for some reason.

 

[balgajo]

I can't but probably I have to check my glasses again. Noticed the other day that the moon started loosing definition again.

 

[ZSJ]

Is op trying to brag about his poor eyesight? 1440p isn't an even integer so it looks a bit soft to me. I go 4K30 at times rather than 1080p60 so maybe I'm not the best person to ask.

I think checkerboard 4K when done right is far better than 1440p native. Death Stranding and Horizon Zero Dawn look mind blowing for the hardware they're running on.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Perceptual and mathematical differences are two totally different things. 4K, for example, is a much bigger percentage over 1440 than the latter is to 1080.

I can tell the difference.
But it's not as massive as 1080 to 1440.

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1440→4K is actually bigger.

 

[Jobbs]

You could have vision problems, OP, because to many people the difference is clear even on a PC monitor

 

[astro]

Perceptual and mathematical differences are two totally different things. 4K, for example, is a much bigger percentage over 1440 than the latter is to 1080.



1440→4K is actually bigger.

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They mean in terms of payoff.

 

[Deleted member 2834]

You could have vision problems, OP, because to many people the difference is clear even on a PC monitor

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I would think it's probably a lot easier to spot on a PC monitor you sit 50cm away from actually. I only got a 1440p monitor though, so no way to tell.

 

[jph139]

I honestly can barely tell the difference between 720 and 1080. My eyesight is awful.

On the plus side, I don't know what I'm missing! So that makes things easier.

 

[Le Dude]

Makes sense. If you're 55" or smaller 4K isn't really a game changer.

TV Size to Distance Calculator and Science

Our TV Sizes to Distance Calculator helps you choose the right size TV for your space. The optimal viewing distance is about 1.6 times the diagonal length of the television. For example, for a 55” TV, the best distance is 7 feet.

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Scroll down a bit and it talks about where 4K is worth it. At 55" it starts being worthwhile once you start getting under 7'.

IMO that's why a 1080p model like Lockhart makes sense next-gen. Sure pretty much all TVs made today are 4K, but so many people are using TVs small enough that upscaled 1080p will be close enough.

 

[DSN2K]

I think PC gamers are more attuned to seeing resolution difference then console gamer, This isnt some sort of dig either, its just down to the quality of displays and having the ability to play about with resolution for years, has made PC gamers aware of visual differences.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

They mean in terms of payoff.

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Which is a silly way to measure it in my eyes. I get that sitting a specific difference away from a device yields different results, but hearing there's 'no discernible difference between 1440p and 4K even on 55 device" just sounds like something other than what it is.

That's like saying the difference between 30 and 60fps is bigger than 60 to 120 due to 'payoffs'/'perceptions'.

 

[Deleted member 2834]

I think PC gamers are more attuned to seeing resolution difference then console gamer, This isnt some sort of dig either, its just down to the quality of displays and having the ability to play about with resolution for years, has made PC gamers aware of visual differences.

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I'm playing on PC

 

[LightKiosk]

I have a 32" 1440p monitor, my brother has a 32" 4K monitor.

From my experience, it is easy to spot the differences.

 

[Deleted member 721]

yeah i can see the difference its pretty clear

 

[Xiaomi]

I can see the difference in aliasing but on a lot of modern games that blur everything it's hard to tell. High framerate is a more important perk for me, but even then once you go above 100 it"s hard for me to see.

 

[ghostcrew]

I think the difference is super clear. I can usually pretty instantly tell if something I'm playing isn't native 4k.

 

[astro]

difference between 30 and 60fps is bigger than 60 to 120

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And that is also true.

 

[ShaDowDaNca]

Yes it's quite noticable.

 

[JahIthBer]

It's harder to see with TAA in the mix, the chase for higher resolution became way more important in Gen 7 when games started to strip out MSAA & games had jaggies everywhere even at 1080p, now with modern post process AA, i feel like 4K is less important.
For example, how many PS4 Pro games are 1440p with strong TAA that people mistake for 4K, SOTC is one everyone seems to think is 4K.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

And that is also true.

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Sure, if we stick to the idea of 'perceptions'. I notice as big, if not more, of a jump from 60-120 and mathematically, they are exactly the same.

 

[WestEgg]

This is why people are sleeping on Lockhart.

Edit: by which I mean people shouldn't be sleeping on it.

 

[Suede]

I definitely notice that extra clarity.

 

[Mushlikeahusky]

this was me playing borderlands 3 at 1080p I thought it was 60fps the whole time but when i found out you can turn on the FPS counter it was showing 115-130 unlocked and I'm like whoa that doesn't feel much different

 

[astro]

Sure, if we stick to the idea of 'perceptions'. I notice as big, if not more, of a jump from 60-120 and mathematically, they are exactly the same.

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Which is the thing this thread is talking about, really. Perception, and payoff.

I can easily tell between 30 to 60 to 120, 1080 to 1440 to 4k.

The jumps are far more pronounced earlier on.

 

[HeWhoWalks]

Which is the thing this thread is talking about, really. Perception, and payoff.

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Which is exactly what I said from the start. Meaning, you haven't disagreed with me. XD

I'm simply saying that, outside of a specific criteria, 1440 to 4K is quite a leap. So, some other factor must be involved when viewing these different resolutions on a device with a 55" screen.

 

[Nooblet]

i play on a 27" 4k PC monitor and can see the difference easily.

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Ofcourse you notice a difference when running your 4K monitor at a non native resolution. It'd be different if you compared it to another monitor that's 27 inch and 1440P with same level of quality of panel. That last bit is important too, as you can have varying level of differences in clarity between different monitors even if they have the same native resolution.

I don't believe 27 inch is large enough to have appreciable difference between native 1440P and native 4K even when close to screen. Yea you will get less aliasing as a byproduct of more pixels crammed into the same space but that's a different thing.

 

[tapedeck]

I have a 65" 4K Bravia and the difference between 1440p and 4K is absolutely noticeable. Like you would instantly see the difference without even trying.

 

[astro]

Which is exactly what I said from the start. Meaning, you haven't disagreed with me. XD

I'm simply saying that, outside of a specific criteria, 1440 to 4K is quite a leap. So, some other factor must be involved when talking about a device with a screen as big as 55".

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Whoever said anything about disagreeing with you?

I just corrected your asumption that person was talking mathematically, they were not.

 

[Inugami]

I can't tell the difference either.... until I put my glasses on <_<

 

[Deleted member 2474]

Ofcourse you notice a difference when running your 4K monitor at a non native resolution. It'd be different if you compared it to another monitor that's 27 inch and 1440P with same level of quality of display.

27 inch is too small to have appreciable difference between native 1440P and native 4K even close to screen. Though you will get less aliasing but that's a different thing.

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nonsense. the difference between native 1440p and native 4k at 27" is tremendously noticeable. arguably even moreso in non-game content - anything with small text (like, basically every website and native software ever) is much clearer at 4k. 12pt text on a 1440p 27" monitor is pixel city compared to 4k.

 

[Splader]

uhh, hard disagree. I'm not sure about 1440 but I've noticed a difference even with checkerboarding 4k.

 

[Deleted member 2834]

uhh, hard disagree. I'm not sure about 1440 but I've noticed a difference even with checkerboarding 4k.

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This thread is about 1440p.

 

[Dlanor A. Knox]

I have a 24" 1440p monitor and honestly the difference with a 4K monitor is barely noticeable. Maybe because it's a 24"? Makes the image more crisp.

 

[MrBob]

I can tell a difference between 1440p and 4k sitting 8 feet away on a 65 inch TV. 1440p definitely has a softer look. I can't tell the difference between 1800p and 4k though so I typically set all my PC games to 1800p and crank up the effects.

 

[Bosch]

Many who voted that can see the diff in a true test will be wrong all the time.

 

[Splader]

This thread is about 1440p.

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Yes, and checkboarding is a higher resolution than 1440p.

That being said, I can also tell the difference with 1440p. Or a dynamic resolution at something like 1600.

True 4K is very noticeable. It's considerably more clear.

 

[leng jai]

The difference in aliasing should be pretty easily apparent, as well as sharpness. It's way easier to see the difference than it is in films because of aliasing/shimmering.