Despite the term mono. It doesn't need to be a single player. If one is mighty enough to change the market in a significant way, you can indeed call that monopoly.
Depends on whether you are comparing like for like.
No one can reasonably complain that games developed by Sony/Nintendo/Microsoft/Valve/Epic etc remain exclusive to their respective platforms.
But what Epic are doing here is much closer to what Microsoft did with nuTomb Raider 2, where a game that was already announced as multiplatform was then restricted to just their platform. Rightly so, people were not happy about this situation. This is obviously not at all the same as wanting Mario on Xbox or Halo on Playstation.
Note that no one has batted an eye at Fortnite not being on Steam.
IT shouldn't happen and It makes me want to see those game bomb in sales until the exclusivitiy is up. I refuse to buy any game that they are moneyhatting on the epic game store until exclusivity is up.I agree and we see it all the time including DLC shit practices like Destiny and Sony but my question is why wouldn't this happen on the PC? That's why I am not in the least surprised some are now trying to use exclusive deals to get people away from Steam.
Nobody has answered me yet, how much do retailers get on every new game sold?
Lets not forget partial credit card information and 2-factor phone numbers. And how many days did it take for Valve to respond publicly about it? Days later when the sale was nearing an end wasnt it?Well let's look at it.
Valve's cache issue allowed you to randomly see other users friends list, email address, or phone number.
Personally if it were me i would want my information exposed to the smaller crowd of people. In Valves case 30,000+ accounts were compromised and exposed to everyone using Steam during then. During a normal day that wouldnt be so bad but since it happened on Christmas you are talking hundreds of thousands, if not millions, would get to see my info.Bethesda mistakenly sent out the user names, customer names, home addresses, phone numbers, and type of credit card of users, to other users.
So you tell me.
I belive its about 15 percent. But thats on top of another around 25 percent in other retail costs uncludion 10 percent to the platform holder atleast on consoles, not on pc of course.
Retailers make most of their money on the sale of used games though.
Yeah I don't get the push back on having a valid competitor. Isn't Epic taking the smallest percentage of any store?A little bit of competition to STEAM isn't a bad thing, might cause Valve to pull there finger out of their arse.
What makes them a good competitor? money hatting games that were on everything exclusive to epic game store for a year? a store that has less features and has barely been updated in 5 years?Yeah I don't get the push back on having a valid competitor. Isn't Epic taking the smallest percentage of any store?
Valve had cross-platform co-op (PC/PS3) in 2011 with Portal 2.Epic 2019 cross-platform online services roadmap
This matters far more to me than trading cards
I can't blame any developer - particularly an indie developer (though the ones Epic are targeting are on the larger side) - for accepting a large amount of money upfront. Especially not when it is a timed exclusive rather than indefinite.I'm not defending them. I think the experience they offer is far inferior to Steam. I'm just trying to explain where the responsibility lies. Getting mad at Epic for doing business is unproductive. Get mad at these companies that accept offers that are worse for the consumer. It is their product after all, and they are the ones choosing how to sell it.
I believe some of them are longer than 12 months.
So MAYBE by the end of the year it will offer something Steam already offered since 2011. And that's impressive because...?
Yup, the irony is not lost on me. I also remember how he complained about Valve's changes that broke Steam Spy, while knowing full well he wasn't going to make any stats service of the sort on Epic Store. In my opinion he doesn't come out looking good after this.I'm sure people can see the contradiction and hypocrisy in the person who basically disclosed every developer's sales through Steam Spy being against disclosing sales numbers. Let's be honest here. If Epic ever gets a success story for their store, they'll shout it through the rooftops.
The PC market probably has more than 20 different vendors of digital games. There are already seven or so other clients. What is Epic bringing to the table for customers?
So Epic, who take a smaller cut (12%) are going to use their smaller margins to offer you a better deal? How? You're blowing my mind here.
cue the wave of people who were never going to buy it in the first place saying they will now not buy it
Are they actually moneyhatting of the deal is so sweet they're making developers leave Steam?What makes them a good competitor? money hatting games that were on everything exclusive to epic game store for a year? a store that has less features and has barely been updated in 5 years?
From what's been reported, the exclusivity is a year or more for most games. The division 2 probably will never come back out on steam but the indie games so far have been said a year if not more.Are they actually moneyhatting of the deal is so sweet they're making developers leave Steam?
Are they actually moneyhatting of the deal is so sweet they're making developers leave Steam?
Just like people who never used Epic Launcher are suddenly defending Epic Launcher and Epic as a company.cue the wave of people who were never going to buy it in the first place saying they will now not buy it
Russians for example. It is twice the price on the Epic Games Store.
Regional pricing is still not available, AFAIK.
I don't blame them either. All I'm saying is that they are the ones responsible for putting their game on Epic store. I still don't see how Epic is to blame at all. They are putting more money into game development and developers are accepting the offer.I can't blame any developer - particularly an indie developer (though the ones Epic are targeting are on the larger side) - for accepting a large amount of money upfront. Especially not when it is a timed exclusive rather than indefinite.
Epic are the ones to blame here, not developers.
Because Epic knows people would just buy it on Steam, so they paid Ubisoft to have it on the Epic Store.Why not release it on both Epic Store and Steam and let people decide whichever they like best?
Lets not forget partial credit card information and 2-factor phone numbers. And how many days did it take for Valve to respond publicly about it? Days later when the sale was nearing an end wasnt it?
Despite the term mono. It doesn't need to be a single player. If one is mighty enough to change the market in a significant way, you can indeed call that monopoly.
It was very brief. As for your accusation of partial credit card information being given away, you're going to have to prove it.
Thank goodness for all of that competition!And perfect timing, I don't know if this was posted here yet, but Epic just got an F for the BBB for bad customer service and their refund policy.
And perfect timing, I don't know if this was posted here yet, but Epic just got an F for the BBB for bad customer service and their refund policy.
Because Epic knows people would just buy it on Steam, so they paid Ubisoft to have it on the Epic Store.
I wonder how long they can keep this up.
If you're just going to ignore what a monopoly actually is, then there's no point in going on. I'm going to assume you're just trolling now.
Do I have a choice to use something else than stream if I want to play AAA and Indie games? No at least if you want to play on pc!
He doesn't actually care, he just wants you to know how big and bad Valve arelol, yes
GOG, Itch.io, Twitch, Discord all exist and work well
for your AAAs they already are on their exclusive launchers.
Also, this.gfwl can only get better so I don't know why you'd ever criticize it just give them some time
it's not like they would abandon it, it's Microsoft we're talking about they will definitely compete with steam
So we are suppose to give epic the benefit of the doubt for their shitty store that has been around for years? They don't deserve any benefit of the doubt and deserve to be called out for them buying exclusivity.If people arent going to use Epics store because of missing features, thats not going to keep Valve safe forever as they are working on it. So the 10 or so games that will be on their store wont be available. People are acting like its the end of the world.
Pretty much but I bet you the same people defend epic defended Microsoft as well.gfwl can only get better so I don't know why you'd ever criticize it just give them some time
it's not like they would abandon it, it's Microsoft we're talking about they will definitely compete with steam
Valve closed 111 complaints in the last year compared with Epic closing closing 271 in the same time duration. Valve also has a warning banner on their page for whatever thats worth.And perfect timing, I don't know if this was posted here yet, but Epic just got an F for the BBB for bad customer service and their refund policy.
lol, yes
GOG, Itch.io, Twitch, Discord all exist and work well
for your AAAs they already are on their exclusive launchers.
So we pretend that you can get most/all indie games on other stores and that Steam don't get any AAA games because everything is exclusive now. Alrighty then.
Having all these launchers is a pain in the ass. Back to the days where we could install open a game independent of any of that. Each launcher needs to update everytime I want to play something as well.
Is there actual evidence that Epic is offering cash incentives for game publishers to sign release exclusivity deals for the Epic Store or is it just more ERA bullshit per usual?
Because Epic knows people would just buy it on Steam, so they paid Ubisoft to have it on the Epic Store.
I wonder how long they can keep this up.
This is cause for alarm.... Wonder what's going on.So now Activision, EA, Ubisoft and Bethesda aren't going to be putting games out on Steam anymore. Wouldn't be shocked if 2K/Rockstar either makes their own launcher or moves off the store for when RDR2 comes to PC
So that just leaves.... Capcom, Square-Enix and Deep Silver as AAA publishers putting stuff on Steam?