As long as Japanese devs stick with Steam and don't get suckered into this. I will survive. But still, this is some scary shit.
But the developers and publishers are the same company in most of these instances, including here.Look, it's a simple fact the devs are caught in the cross fire here. A boycott does punish them regardless of your intent.
That's a huge reason why this situation is so shit.
Massive are the devs, Ubi are the publishers. Or am I confused about something?But the developers and publishers are the same company in most of these instances, including here.
Exactly. So far all developers and publishers have been quiet about their sales on EGS. Epic has been oddly silent too, despite having the guy who did his best to show how many people owned Steam games through Steamspy. Epic couldn't convince the Fortnite crowd to buy games from their store.
Hopefully this is a reminder to all other publishers and developers that releasing games exclusively in one store is stupid and bad business decision. See Thronebreaker; CPRD had to release it on Steam since sales were low on GOG. Hell, even on consoles, third parties are only releasing multiplats these days.
Epic stated that the devs were allowed to publish the data if they so want, same as Steam.I wonder if there is an NDA on this. Remember the early days of Switch eShop and how happy devs would Tweet how well their games sold shortly after their release? Was expecting to see similar for EGS but so far crickets...
Ubi owns Massive.Massive are the devs, Ubi are the publishers. Or am I confused about something?
Ubisoft owns MassiveMassive are the devs, Ubi are the publishers. Or am I confused about something?
That's the problem, this is their strategy towards building a Steam alternative. it's starve the beast, so to speak, by buying up content so Steam can't sell it and implement features as times goes on, many of which don't iterate at all on Steam.This is the worst thing to happen for PC gaming in the last few years, I hope it fails miserably so they rethink their strategy and actually make a steam alternative ...
Yes, but Massive wouldn't be the ones who made this deal is the point.
Do you think Epic are lying when they said that the purpose of Epic store is to advance the cause of all developers? Were that true, surely this deal would have been made in conjunction with consulting with Massive?Yes, but Massive wouldn't be the ones who made this deal is the point.
I don't believe a word Epic says tbh.Do you think Epic are lying when they said that the purpose of Epic store is to advance the cause of all developers? Were that true, surely this deal would have been made in conjunction with consulting with Massive?
Devs who sign an exclusivity deal with Epic are not caught in the cross fire, they are part of the problem.Look, it's a simple fact the devs are caught in the cross fire here. A boycott does punish them regardless of your intent.
That's a huge reason why this situation is so shit.
You're acting like Massive would be treated any different than UbiMontreal or Montpellier. I'm sure even at some of the indies that signed on to EGS exclusivity, there are people who don't like it, but it's not like they have a choice. In Massive's case they are ubisoft and Ubi signed on, so it really doesn't matter unless there's a massive exodus (ahem) of people over it. They're going to toe the line.Yes, but Massive wouldn't be the ones who made this deal is the point.
I don't understand... I didn't really say anything that warrants this reply.You're acting like Massive would be treated any different than UbiMontreal or Montpellier. I'm sure even at some of the indies that signed on to EGS exclusivity, there are people who don't like it, but it's not like they have a choice. In Massive's case they are ubisoft and Ubi signed on, so it really doesn't matter unless there's a massive exodus (ahem) of people over it. They're going to toe the line.
We don't have to like it ,and neither do they individually, but if they want to keep working there, they're not going to come out and shit on Ubi proper in public over it.
I mean, boycotts are always going to affect third party (or heck in this case elements from inside one party that had no say or fault in this whole mess). That is the sad truth of an interconnected world.I don't understand... I didn't really say anything that warrants this reply.
My point was that boycotts, while obviously fair given the situation, will impact Massive negatively, and that's just shit as they've done such a good job.
And I'm asking why it matters that Massive, who is owned wholly by the people who made the decision deserve to be spared just because they did a good job? A boycott is always going to have collateral damage, and if 4A games, who arent even owned by their publisher aren't spared for basically the same thing; why should an Ubisoft subsidiary?I don't understand... I didn't really say anything that warrants this reply.
My point was that boycotts, while obviously fair given the situation, will impact Massive negatively, and that's just shit as they've done such a good job.
Because it sucks they'e being negatively affected by a shit decision by Ubi and Epic?And I'm asking why it matters that Massive, who is owned wholly by the people who made the decision deserve to be spared just because they did a good job? A boycott is always going to have collateral damage, and if 4A games, who arent even owned by their publisher aren't spared for basically the same thing; why should an Ubisoft subsidiary?
On this we agree completely.Because it sucks they'e being negatively affected by a shit decision by Ubi and Epic?
ANY dev affected by this is unfortunate, it's a shit situation.
Oh. Right. Not sure why I was thinking otherwise. Brain farts.Massive are the devs, Ubi are the publishers. Or am I confused about something?
https://www.gamersgate.com/DD-TOM-CLANCYS-THE-DIVISION-2-ULTIMATE-ROW/tom-clancy-s-the-division-2-ultimate-edition said:
Of course I think they're lying. The point of the store is to gain a lasting foothold on PC gaming for after Fortnite starts not being as popular.Do you think Epic are lying when they said that the purpose of Epic store is to advance the cause of all developers? Were that true, surely this deal would have been made in conjunction with consulting with Massive?
Boycotting has a negative effect on th dev, and they didn't cause this. If you're okay with that it's fine, but it should be considered.
Boycotting has a negative effect on th dev, and they didn't cause this. If you're okay with that it's fine, but it should be considered.
There's nothing really confusing about this though. It's just companies engaging in extremely anti consumer behaviour.Digital distribution and digital licensing rights will become more and more confusing as time goes on. I'm not looking forward at all to that aspect of video games in the future.
What I was trying to say was, that it's going to be more complicated to know what consumers actually own in terms of licensing with video games, if that makes sense.There's nothing really confusing about this though. It's just companies engaging in extremely anti consumer behaviour.
Kind of. I am not at all amused by Epic being anti-consumer as fuck. I am quite amused by the sudden no-show of most fans of "competition" in this thread.
This thread pertains to the PC version.
I don't understand... I didn't really say anything that warrants this reply.
My point was that boycotts, while obviously fair given the situation, will impact Massive negatively, and that's just shit as they've done such a good job.
Certainly seems that way unless you can find a game store with a physical copy of the game. (Which would just be a box with a download key inside)