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floridaguy954

Member
Oct 29, 2017
3,631
Below Xenoverse 2 and F76 holy moly

This must be a huge drop off from the first game. It's well made, mechanically speaking, but it's just so god damn dull and devoid of personality.

Ubi has to take a page from Warframe's book. Cut out the mandatory dull open world, get players to the "fun" faster.
Ubisoft just dropped so much of the progress that the latest patches of The Division 1 brought to the table.

They needlessly reinvented the wheel on so many aspects of the sequel for the worse, and now the playerbase has suffered for it.

Hell, I have more motivation to grind in TD1 nowadays. The endgame grind in TD2 is horrible right now (especially with the convoluted methods to get exotic weapons and gear).
 

Cliff Steele

Banned
Oct 28, 2017
4,477
I'd love to play it more, but it is broken to the point where I just don't bother with it anymore. Geometry and Textures taking up to 6 or 7 seconds to load, enemies that are invisible and pop in to your sight after they already attacked, rubberbanding and the list goes on and on. It's literally unplayable.
 

chrominance

Sky Van Gogh
Member
Oct 25, 2017
13,581
The Division 2 was basically my jam for almost two months solid. It's the first service game that convinced me to play through its endgame, instead of dropping out as soon as I finished the campaign. The journey from level 1 to World Tier 5 is pretty fantastic--some difficulty spikes here and there, with the accompanying growing pains--but in the end I loved it all.

The problem, as many others have already mentioned, is that once you got to World Tier 5, your progression slows to a crawl. Most of the game can be soloed, which I very much appreciated. But the most significant piece of post-launch content is a raid that a) requires a great deal of coordination and grit (which is fine but by its nature locks out a lot of people), and more importantly b) didn't seem to deliver when it came to quality loot. I remember thinking that I was going to return to the game when the raid came out, and even signed back into the Era Discord to register my interest in joining a raid group. But it never happened, and I didn't really go out of my way to make it happen. I just got put off by how difficult it was for everyone when it launched, and it gave me Overwatch-style concerns about the potential for toxic groups and not feeling like I was pulling my weight because I didn't have the right build or wasn't fast enough at killing things or whatever. Plus there were all these other newer games I wanted to play.

The Division 2 was a great game and I enjoyed my time with it immensely. But I'm not sure what it would take to bring me back at this point. I just feel like I've moved on.
 

Tovarisc

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,405
FIN
Eh Destiny exotics and armour is visually appealing, as are the locations. I really liked DC though so that wasn't an issue, More so the cosmetics and guns

If all you want from looter shooter is visuals then I can kinda see your point, Destiny has some good looking gear. They also carry around that mundane drivel. Both games suffer from boring stats and gear affixes, nothing is really exciting or interesting. Gun shy to go ham with power curve.
 

Owlowiscious

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,473
can someone explain the picture in the OP? is is sorted by players? doesn't look like it. and division 2 doesn't have a player number count? It's hard to read any of it because the picture is a low resolution, which may be because i'm viewing it on a phone. how does that picture show that division 2 has a low player count on xbox?
 

dex3108

Member
Oct 26, 2017
22,577
It is worth mentioning that Ubisoft said that their monthly active users numbers didn't grow in Q1 either.

 

bsigg

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,542
can someone explain the picture in the OP? is is sorted by players? doesn't look like it. and division 2 doesn't have a player number count? It's hard to read any of it because the picture is a low resolution, which may be because i'm viewing it on a phone. how does that picture show that division 2 has a low player count on xbox?

The picture is from the top played games on Xbox. It doesn't publicly show the number of users but games are sorted by the amount of unique users that have played the game in the last 7 days.

The numbers that are public are just the reviews.
 

Pryme

Member
Aug 23, 2018
8,164
PC and PS4 are leagues ahead for most online games.
Ubisoft confirmed that these two platform are their strongest this morning.
Abysmal on one platform does not mean it's the case for all.
The game is still 60$+ most of the time compared to a lot of games higher on that list, which can contribute quite a lot too.

The list above is a relative list, and so really has nothing to do with installed base.
These games track pretty evenly between Xbox and PS4, so I'd be surprised if the situation is that much better on the PS4.
 

Tovarisc

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,405
FIN
can someone explain the picture in the OP? is is sorted by players? doesn't look like it. and division 2 doesn't have a player number count? It's hard to read any of it because the picture is a low resolution, which may be because i'm viewing it on a phone. how does that picture show that division 2 has a low player count on xbox?

Not phone issue. That picture in OP is just suuuper low resolution and tiny. Can't make anything out of it either on desktop.
 

bsigg

Member
Oct 25, 2017
22,542
Not phone issue. That picture in OP is just suuuper low resolution and tiny. Can't make anything out of it either on desktop.

The numbers shown on the titles don't matter, they're just the reviews. Like I mentioned above, games on that page are sorted by amount of users in the last 7 days, it updates once a week, and the actual numbers aren't public.
 

Owlowiscious

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,473
The picture is from the top played games on Xbox. It doesn't publicly show the number of users but games are sorted by the amount of unique users that have played the game in the last 7 days.

The numbers that are public are just the reviews.
oh the number stands for number of reviews? and it IS sorted by players? thanks, clears it up.
Not phone issue. That picture in OP is just suuuper low resolution and tiny. Can't make anything out of it either on desktop.
fun. but i guess resolution doesn't matter if you just need to see that division 2 is last on a list of like 100 games. i don't play xbox so I didn't know how that list worked.

anyways. yeah, i have zero urge to play with how drops work. i haven't upgraded any of my armor in months, looking for a better stats on an armor piece. and I have some really low stat stuff, like 20% of what the max stat could be. and i'm on PS4.

just from my experience with destiny, more players played on ps4 than xbox, but ps4 had timed exclusives, so it's not an exact explanation for division 2
 

Bricktop

Attempted to circumvent ban with an alt account
Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,847
I don't think they should have reeled in the graphics/physics tech. They should have instead blown us away by topping the fidelity of the first one.

I don't know if that would have kept people around but it would have at least sold more so you'd probably get more people sticking around overall.

The game honestly just looks like a downgrade.

The Division 2 is better looking than the first game and does top it in fidelity .It's also the best selling game of 2019, so I don't know what people are talking about with it not selling enough.
 

the_kaotek1

Member
Oct 25, 2017
849
I had exactly the same experience as the first one. The process of levelling up was great, end game not so much and the raid not being suited to controllers made me lose all interest.

We'll see if they turn it around but I have to agree the realistic seeing doesn't really lend itself to an exciting loot chase.
 

Torpedo Vegas

Member
Oct 27, 2017
22,592
Parts Unknown.
I finished it and grinding the Black Tusk over and over again got boring. The raid isn't interesting to me because I can't do it with 3 people. It was the same thing with the raids in Destiny 2.
We went back to playing Monster Hunter and Fallout because honestly we were having more fun with those.
 

Remo Williams

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Banned
Jan 13, 2018
4,769
I played the demo/beta, and that was enough for me to realize that my main issues with the first game, as a solo player, have not been fixed. I've never played another game or series where the core gameplay loop is so well executed, but the overall game structure makes me not want to play at all.
 

TheUnseenTheUnheard

Attempted to circumvent ban with alt account
Banned
May 25, 2018
9,647
The Division 2 is better looking than the first game and does top it in fidelity .It's also the best selling game of 2019, so I don't know what people are talking about with it not selling enough.
No it isn't. They purposely reduced some of the graphical and physics fidelity so that they could handle more players in the gameplay space at any given time.
 

Calvarok

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,218
No it isn't. They purposely reduced some of the graphical and physics fidelity so that they could handle more players in the gameplay space at any given time.
games do this all the time, and often still manage to make the general whole package look better through new techniques in areas that dont impact whatever they're trying to reduce the load on, or simply an improved pipeline or engine.

so its not wrong to say something is reduced in some ways and also looks better
 

Joe White

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,033
Finland
The Division 2 was basically my jam for almost two months solid. It's the first service game that convinced me to play through its endgame, instead of dropping out as soon as I finished the campaign. The journey from level 1 to World Tier 5 is pretty fantastic--some difficulty spikes here and there, with the accompanying growing pains--but in the end I loved it all.

Yes, Division 2 was great. Our group played it for about 85h so that we got to WT5, maxed all 3 specialisations and got our gear score up to 500. And then we kinda run out of content in Div2 because the Raid wasn't for us, so we moved to another games.
 

PJsprojects

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,066
England
Good game until WT5 and then nothing new to do so I do get it.
Both Warframe and FO76 are having constant content drops with great support.
 

Shogun

Member
Oct 27, 2017
1,434
Me and a bunch of friend downloaded it for the free to play weekend and it's a boring A to B shooter with incremental upgrades and bullet sponge enemies. Nothing it does is particularly great although I do like the upgrading of bases/forts and the story segments told in flashbacks or whatever they are.
 

Donald Draper

Banned
Feb 2, 2019
2,361
I played both division games as co-op campaigns and not loot shooter/gaas.

Started the game with friends, played all the content once, fooled around in dark zone for a while and then stopped just like I would a normal story mode.

I have a feeling a lot of other people are doing that as well. Beat the game and move on. Nothing wrong with that. Maybe that's where the disconnect between sales and current player engagement is.
 

TibimusPrime

Member
Nov 26, 2017
836
PC and PS4 are leagues ahead for most online games.
Ubisoft confirmed that these two platform are their strongest this morning.
Abysmal on one platform does not mean it's the case for all.
The game is still 60$+ most of the time compared to a lot of games higher on that list, which can contribute quite a lot too.

Stop with the flaming console war BS. This is what ubi factually said : Ubisoft said The Division 2 sales have failed to meet expectations on console, but they're in line with with the original on PC
 

Xater

Member
Oct 26, 2017
8,905
Germany
The Division 2 was basically my jam for almost two months solid. It's the first service game that convinced me to play through its endgame, instead of dropping out as soon as I finished the campaign. The journey from level 1 to World Tier 5 is pretty fantastic--some difficulty spikes here and there, with the accompanying growing pains--but in the end I loved it all.

The problem, as many others have already mentioned, is that once you got to World Tier 5, your progression slows to a crawl. Most of the game can be soloed, which I very much appreciated. But the most significant piece of post-launch content is a raid that a) requires a great deal of coordination and grit (which is fine but by its nature locks out a lot of people), and more importantly b) didn't seem to deliver when it came to quality loot. I remember thinking that I was going to return to the game when the raid came out, and even signed back into the Era Discord to register my interest in joining a raid group. But it never happened, and I didn't really go out of my way to make it happen. I just got put off by how difficult it was for everyone when it launched, and it gave me Overwatch-style concerns about the potential for toxic groups and not feeling like I was pulling my weight because I didn't have the right build or wasn't fast enough at killing things or whatever. Plus there were all these other newer games I wanted to play.

The Division 2 was a great game and I enjoyed my time with it immensely. But I'm not sure what it would take to bring me back at this point. I just feel like I've moved on.

I feel exactly the same. I had a great time with it, but coming back to it? Probably not. Same thing happened to me with the first game.
 

Lucifonz

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,132
United Kingdom
It doesn't have any real huge draw to keep coming back right now. My squad absolutely monstered it for a good few weeks, certainly got our hours worth. But right now the changes all feel a little like "meh might try things at some point".

Waiting for major new gameplay beats at this point. Survival 2.0 would be amazing.
 

Theorry

Member
Oct 27, 2017
60,973
The most played list isnt about players.
But it indeed isnt high for the game it is. To be fair it was never really high. Division 1 did alot better for a long time.
 

TheUnseenTheUnheard

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Banned
May 25, 2018
9,647
games do this all the time, and often still manage to make the general whole package look better through new techniques in areas that dont impact whatever they're trying to reduce the load on, or simply an improved pipeline or engine.

so its not wrong to say something is reduced in some ways and also looks better
Go compare the games. The first one looks better objectively. Also no duh. They literally mentioned this specifically.
 
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Maneil99

Banned
Nov 2, 2017
5,252
Go compare the games. The first one looks better objectively. Also no duh. They literally mentioned this specifically.
Eh there's a lot of improvements in D2 as well. D1 has the benefit of snow covered streets and falling snow to make lights look even better. I'll agree on consoles D1 is better looking then D2. Especially on XBX/Pro. PC is a very big jump over the pro consoles for once
 

demi

Member
Oct 27, 2017
14,816
Dropped it when I reached endgame and it had the same issues. Then the terribly balanced raid dropped and well that was that.
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
The problem is conceptual, I said the same thing about Division 1. The prospect of farming or grinding for kneepads and backpacks is just not engaging for a looter shooter.

In Borderlands there are guns that walk and talk in Destiny's Last Wish raid you fight a dragin that eats reality and poops wishes.

Division missed a trick by not having the virus mutate and provide some unique encounters and enemy types.
 
Oct 27, 2017
15,020
It's hard to explain I got to 30 on D2 and think it's better than D1 yet I spent more time on D1

Personally I think people are just getting burnt out on the genre. There's so many of these live service games now and most of them will merely exist while 3-4 of them are really big and successful.

Personally I'd had my fill of this style after Destiny 1. It played really well but I found the highly repetitive nature of the game off-putting. I'd rather play something with a proper story and better level design that I can get through in 8-15 hours.
 

Hawkster

Alt account
Banned
Mar 23, 2019
2,626
The problem is conceptual, I said the same thing about Division 1. The prospect of farming or grinding for kneepads and backpacks is just not engaging for a looter shooter.

In Borderlands there are guns that walk and talk in Destiny's Last Wish raid you fight a dragin that eats reality and poops wishes.

Division missed a trick by not having the virus mutate and provide some unique encounters and enemy types.

No thanks. I'd rather not have zombies in Division. Its a near-future modern setting and it should stay that way

Besides, the virus is a strain of smallpox. How the hell you gonna make zombies out of it?
 

Mr.Deadshot

Member
Oct 27, 2017
20,285
Good. I hope we can go back to finished games, that aren't meant to be played for YEARS with open endings. And then sequels every 2-3 years. Yeah I know, it won't happen.

I mean there is market for these kind of games. I myself love Warframe and recently started FF14 again. But really, not EVERY game has to be an endless grind and this generation sure shifted towards GaaS way too much for my taste. I am glad Nintendo and Sony didn't jump on that train.
 

Hawkster

Alt account
Banned
Mar 23, 2019
2,626
Good. I hope we can go back to finished games, that aren't meant to be played for YEARS with open endings. And then sequels every 2-3 years. Yeah I know, it won't happen.

I mean there is market for these kind of games. I myself love Warframe and recently started FF14 again. But really, not EVERY game has to be an endless grind and this generation sure shifted towards GaaS way too much for my taste. I am glad Nintendo and Sony didn't jump on that train.

Me thinks you have too much hate towards GAAS, buddy
 

Pryme

Member
Aug 23, 2018
8,164
Good. I hope we can go back to finished games, that aren't meant to be played for YEARS with open endings. And then sequels every 2-3 years. Yeah I know, it won't happen.

I mean there is market for these kind of games. I myself love Warframe and recently started FF14 again. But really, not EVERY game has to be an endless grind and this generation sure shifted towards GaaS way too much for my taste. I am glad Nintendo and Sony didn't jump on that train.

Uncharted 4, TLOU.
Both GaaS games.
Marketing deals for GaaS games like COD, GTAV and Destiny 1/2 are a significant reason why Sony's PS4 sold much better than the Xbox One.

Heck, Sony's move to allow online play for F2P games on PS4 without PS+ is touted as one of their most consumer friendly positions this gen.

As for Nintendo, Splatoon is GaaS. Mario Kart, too. They've got an exclusive Tetris game that's GaaS.

Sorry bro. Everyone is on this train.
 

Bold One

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
18,911
No thanks. I'd rather not have zombies in Division. Its a near-future modern setting and it should stay that way

Besides, the virus is a strain of smallpox. How the hell you gonna make zombies out of it?
Look, nobody wants zombies, but the lads and lassies at Massive have sort of written themselves into a corner creatively.


Again back to the example of Destiny and Warframe, both games are on the cusp of new threats that are entering their systems and worlds that are bigger and more deadly than before and their arrival is eagerly anticipated.

What can Division introduce? More dudes in armour?
 

Mr.Deadshot

Member
Oct 27, 2017
20,285
Uncharted 4, TLOU.
Both GaaS games.
Marketing deals for GaaS games like COD, GTAV and Destiny 1/2 are a significant reason why Sony's PS4 sold much better than the Xbox One.

Heck, Sony's move to allow online play for F2P games on PS4 without PS+ is touted as one of their most consumer friendly positions this gen.

As for Nintendo, Splatoon is GaaS. Mario Kart, too. They've got an exclusive Tetris game that's GaaS.

Sorry bro. Everyone is on this train.
Yeah let's not discuss the definition of GaaS again. You know exactly what kind of games I mean.
 

Hark

Member
Oct 29, 2017
1,161
Played D1 on Xbox with a group of friends and had a decent time. Don't think we finished it but it was fun enough.

Same group of friends and I scooped D2 on PC, played for one night and called it quits. Just wasn't interesting. Haven't been back since.
 

SCB360

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
1,639
It was pretty rough not even a month after launch on PC. I couldn't tell if matchmaking was just dead or if people just used pre-made groups.


Yea I ended up soloing most of the game a month after release, I even had to go check that it wasn't just broken.

The issue the game has now s how does it compete with the same games in its Genre, the buzz that Destiny, Warframe and even Fallout 76 just had over summer pretty much killed it, then you have Borderlands 3 just a couple months away, the DLC is looking awful as well, not much to go back to
 

psilocybe

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Oct 27, 2017
1,402
For me it is a solo one and done type of game. I had my fun with it, totally recommend it, but I moved on.

I don't see the problem with playerbase plummeting in PVE games as long as you can still play with randoms if you wish to do so.
 

Pryme

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Aug 23, 2018
8,164
Yeah let's not discuss the definition of GaaS again. You know exactly what kind of games I mean.

Yes, I know people tend to push back against the concept of games like Witcher 3 being roped in as GaaS, and I empathize.

But just like Gears 4 and Halo 5, TLOU and Uncharted 4 have both a singleplayer campaign and a multi-player mode with MTX. That's an inarguable fact.

Also a fact that a large number of system sellers on all home consoles (excluding Nintendo) fall in that category.
 

Razgriz417

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,107
Bought it full price PC, didn't bother getting max level. Shit is just boring. I think its the setting.



Good joke
sword art online: fatal bullet
Dropped it before getting lvl 20 on PS4 and agreed, the setting and minute to minute gameplay was boring, was more of the same slower paced covershooting against bullet sponges. There's a bunch of skills but when playing solo, you kinda have to have a heal and the ai does the same rush/flank everytime that is just not fun to deal as that are so bullet spongy. Only good thing it had going for it was loot and that gun range.

I think I regret buying division 2 more than anthem, least in anthem the movement and combat felt fresh, it just had no loot and content
 

XDevil666

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
2,985
Tried the trial and realised my character was a mute, doesn't even acknowledge been hit by a bullet - that was a out from me sadly