Also sorry for the double post but there's been some allegations tonight by former employees of Wonderstorm that Aaron was treating his female employees like garbage and I'm not sure how I feel about the show now :/
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The Dragon Prince |OT| The Last Frameratebender (Update: Renewed through season 7)
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I think there's a lot of good stuff about season 2, but the weaknesses just sour the good bits.
I'm sorry, I'm a little too lazy to type out all my opinions on Callum again, but I found some of my old posts from this thread:
Yeah same. I started watching the show because I wanted to support Danika in a way when she moved there from Waypoint, and now that she's gone I also don't know how to feel.
The entire dark magic morality thing is so obnoxious and unconvincing every time it pops up in the show.
Like what the fuck is the moral difference between killing some bugs to make pancakes and directly feeding bugs to people under the illusion they're pancakes?
Like what the fuck is the moral difference between killing some bugs to make pancakes and directly feeding bugs to people under the illusion they're pancakes?
Xadia is rich in magic because the Primal Sources are handing that shit out freely for everyone to play with. Except the Humans. The Humans have been specifically cut off from receiving magic, for some reason. And the Humans don't need magic, they lived just fine for untold generations without it.
But then the Humans figured out that if you kill something or someone who has magic, you can steal a temporary hit of magic. The Dragons and Elves and whatnot are entirely reasonable to be shocked by this development, and do not want to live alongside people who might murder them to steal their magic. So they forced the Humans to move West while they packed up and moved East. And then the Humans declared war, demanding their right to live with (and occasionally murder) the Dragons and Elves. The Humans are totally in the wrong here (although you could say that the Dark Mages fucked things up for everyone, and that your average Human villager didn't do anything wrong).
You mention killing bugs, but the bugs are all that's left in the West after most of the other magical creatures moved East. The main MacGuffin of the show is a Dark Mage's pursuit of the Egg/Dragon Prince, because the Dark Mage wants to harvest an intelligent creature who is revered and considered a Prince by the people in the East, while a couple years ago the Human King lost his wife in an incursion into the East, on a mission to kill and harvest a large humanoid "monster" that was minding it's own business. You think the Dark Mages in this show wouldn't kill an Elf to drain them of their magic? They totally would. The Humans in this world (led by the Dark Mages) want to kill and harvest magical creatures, but they complain and call it unfair when the magical creatures fight back.
And as we just saw in the latest season, Callum was given magic by one of the Primal Sources, so the problem with Humans being the only ones to not have magic seems to be a problem with Humans, and not with magic itself, nor the Primal Sources.
Also, you seem to be suggesting that "killing for magic" happens either way, and that the problem is people acting squeamish about doing the killing personally? But that's not the case. The Primal Sources appear to be handing out magic for free, it's only the Humans who kill to take it.
What is the difference between your neighbor potentially killing you for your magic or potentially killing you for you gold, your food, or your land?
It's not like murder was invented with dark magic. Being willing to kill and eat a cow doesn't mean you're also willing to be a fucking cannibal, yet that's basically the argument you and the show are putting for Dark Magic being "bad".
I get Viren exists and is a very bad man. What does that have to do with the morality of dark magic in general? Viren's not bad because he uses dark magic, he's bad because he's willing to murder and kidnap children.
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I'm sure Aaravaros was exiled into that mirror realm because he was a swell guy what with getting magic for free from primal sources.
I'm going to take a guess and say that guy taught an impressionable human how to extract magic from living creatures which is why his mirror was in human hands (or was it stolen more recently? I can't remember). The Elves banished him and erased any mention of him so as to deny their involvement in that whole humans killing magical life fuss.
Or it's something totally different *shrugs*.
I'm going to take a guess and say that guy taught an impressionable human how to extract magic from living creatures which is why his mirror was in human hands (or was it stolen more recently? I can't remember). The Elves banished him and erased any mention of him so as to deny their involvement in that whole humans killing magical life fuss.
Or it's something totally different *shrugs*.
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I would argue that Dark Magic was a significant game-changer. If an Elf lives just outside of a Human village, what reason is there for hostilities? Sure, maybe some Humans might try to rob the Elf, or be noisy and scare the birds away, or whatever. But Dark Magic introduced a new conflict. The Humans are jealous of the Elf's magic (jealous of every creature's magic), so they might just randomly decide to club the Elf on the back of the head, tie them to a stone altar, and slit the Elf's throat.
What does it take for a Dark Mage to escalate from bugs to cows to people? I dunno, but Claudia has already been shown to be willing to escalate from bugs to deer. Once you get a taste, why would anyone stop? And the Dark Magic seems to corrupt and change you. Both Claudia and Viren are shown to be developing physical symptoms from their use of Dark Magic. Callum's experience with Dark Magic resembled poison or intoxication.
And then there's the "taboo" factor. The Humans are perverting natural law and the will of their "gods". Humans presumably raise and slaughter cows and pigs and chickens in this world, and the Elves don't particularly seem to have a problem with that (maybe the Elves do that sort of thing themselves, I dunno, I can't recall if it was mentioned whether Elves in this world are vegetarian), but when the Humans squeeze the magic out of a creature, that's the part that magically-gifted creatures like Elves seem to find horrifying. And the lore of the show seems to back them up on that. You don't seem to understand how being granted power from a small-g god is any different from killing someone who it was given to and stealing it for yourself, but this world says that it's different, and it seems pretty easy to understand why.
Yeah, I'm guessing he either was the original source for Dark Magic, and he tipped off the first Dark Mages (only to join in the attack against them, for his own manipulative ends), or he saw the first Dark Mages in that fight, and then got curious and began his own research.
Nah
I still have a chuckle over the thread title even though the frame-rates are no longer an issue. Maybe change it to s3 live now tomorrow?
Thanks for the thread title update i forgot it was today. I think a few did. Will start watching later tonight
after the mandalorian 🥴
after the mandalorian 🥴
Binged it tonight. Definitely my favorite season! Next to none of the listless filler compared to the other ones, and the animation really impressed. Some of the fight scenes had top notch work.
I was like, I'll watch one episode.
[4 hours later]
Holy shit, they really ramped everything up for S3: battle, lore, shipping, akwardness, callbacks, jelly tarts
Damn. Budget was spent.
Went like from
S1 6/10
S2 7/10
S3 10/10
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I'm three episodes in and it's very good.
I'm hoping a season 4 gets greenlit. Hell, I'd by fine with a spinoff just following the adventures of
I'm hoping a season 4 gets greenlit. Hell, I'd by fine with a spinoff just following the adventures of
human Rayla and earth elf Callum.
this was a great season. ..seems like tge end of an arc. hoping for a bit of a timeskip for next season
I never found him to be a problem. But generally he's a far bit more mature with just a bit of silliness still thrown in there.
YOU DO ALWAYS COME BACK!I was like, I'll watch one episode.
[4 hours later]
Holy shit, they really ramped everything up for S3: battle, lore, shipping, akwardness, callbacks, jelly tarts
Damn. Budget was spent.
Went like from
S1 6/10
S2 7/10
S3 10/10
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Hope ya'll are right.
Show had so much potential the first two seasons that was wasted by the incompetently flaccid pace that the story progressed. Compounded by the absurdly short series.
The first two seasons could easily be summed into maybe 4 episodes of actual story content and progression.
Show had so much potential the first two seasons that was wasted by the incompetently flaccid pace that the story progressed. Compounded by the absurdly short series.
The first two seasons could easily be summed into maybe 4 episodes of actual story content and progression.
Well that was so much better than the last two seasons and any expectations I had for this. A great season. I sat down to check out the first episode or two, and ended up bingeing through the whole thing.
The animation was a lot better from what I remember, the pacing was great, and it felt like a satisfying whole story arc, which was something that seasons 1 and 2 were missing for me. There were a few things that bugged me, like the whole Ezran abdication plot made no sense, but I guess that can explained by r/kidsarefuckingstupid but overall I thought that the plot lines were some of the best we could've gotten after the setup from the first two seasons. An enjoyable story throughout.
The animation was a lot better from what I remember, the pacing was great, and it felt like a satisfying whole story arc, which was something that seasons 1 and 2 were missing for me. There were a few things that bugged me, like the whole Ezran abdication plot made no sense, but I guess that can explained by r/kidsarefuckingstupid but overall I thought that the plot lines were some of the best we could've gotten after the setup from the first two seasons. An enjoyable story throughout.
This season was amazing.
That last episode was some Lord of the Dragon Age Emblem Rings shit and I ate it UP.
That last episode was some Lord of the Dragon Age Emblem Rings shit and I ate it UP.
Why'd you watch the whole thing if you didn't like it? If I think a show is lame then I usually watch two episodes.
3 minutes into the first episode and I knew this season would be special.
Watched up to episode 4 last night. Great stuff.
Watched up to episode 4 last night. Great stuff.
After a really promising first half to this season, the last few episodes went down the shitter. Very disappointed because the animation has improved immensely and the writing had also improved until we reached that final stretch.
The climax being good guys™ vs the evil horde of dark scary lava people led by a creepy disfigured guy talking to a worm feather boa devil on his shoulder has basically doomed any attempt at serious nuance this series had.
"The cycle of revenge ends here. Now let's go kill all the people looking for revenge; they've been transformed into roaring lava monsters by an evil wizard so it doesn't count."
"The cycle of revenge ends here. Now let's go kill all the people looking for revenge; they've been transformed into roaring lava monsters by an evil wizard so it doesn't count."
He still sucks, even in the good episodes.
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Initially I was very confused why the episode hyped up that moment without a payoff.
God damn it.
These humans are so dumb. Somehow the only one with some common sense is the big dumb jock character 😂
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It ends on a massive cliff hanger.
They said they had plans for like 7 seasons or so.
I mean...they brought back Viren back to life and Aaravos is in a literal cocoon waiting to be hatched. That's a huge cliffhanger to me.