soon you will see people coming in here and saying Era is all sony fanboys and xbox doesn't get a fair shake, well ignoring everything else said.
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The Fall and Rise of the Xbox One
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I get that it's subjective but I'm reading this like:
XBox has best games if you ignore the best games.
The "best games" aren't really the best games because reviewers this or reviewers that.
At the end of the day it reads like a bunch of made up excuses to discount everything and push your narrative, but hey, you do you.
XBox has best games if you ignore the best games.
The "best games" aren't really the best games because reviewers this or reviewers that.
At the end of the day it reads like a bunch of made up excuses to discount everything and push your narrative, but hey, you do you.
Well gotta respect that he's getting paid to write his drivel now. Terrible article though.
Xbox did great turning round their entire division around though, it's in a great place to return to the pre-2010 greatness, but even still they've really not done enough for me and I very much deeply regret buying a XB1, so much so I'll possibly never buy a Xbox console again, I got so little out of it, it was a complete waste of money on my part.
Xbox did great turning round their entire division around though, it's in a great place to return to the pre-2010 greatness, but even still they've really not done enough for me and I very much deeply regret buying a XB1, so much so I'll possibly never buy a Xbox console again, I got so little out of it, it was a complete waste of money on my part.
Well I think the Xbox and Microsoft have really turned their potential Titanic around gracefully, but the article reads like it was written by Arthur Gies. Yeesh.
They had PS1 BC on PS2 and PS3.
Then they had PS2 BC on launch PS3s....in the US.
I wouldn't personally classify that as a "long history" particularly given my post was all from the last decade. Which is a decently long time in an industry that's really only 35 years old or so.
PlayStation as a brand is about 24 years old? So...for 10 of those 24 years they basically told backwards compatibility to get fucked. Then their own install base told them they'd rather re-buy their old games numerous times as opposed to simply having access to games they had already paid for.
Again, on evidence, backwards compatibility definitely leans more on the "not likely" side of the fence if we're being honest here.
I like how you phrased that as [making people] - not once to open your argument, but twice to close it - and that kinda falls in line with what I'm reading above from other posters, about certain calculated efforts. Sony didn't make anyone re-buy any games, like how said you had the option to fire up your PS3 (as if it's a legitimate "jeopardy" lol, did you really just want to squeeze a reference to YLOD in there?).
What I think is the reality is that Sony will make more money on being able to sell additional PS4 content to PS5 gamers, and retain income from massive audiences on massive service-based games, than they will with a handful of remasters. I don't think Gravity Rush Remastered or God of War III Remastered did too hot. Other than The Last of Us Remastered, I can't think of a single Sony-published remaster that knocked it out of the park for them. Can you?
You say you're doubtful that Sony wants to do BC, but I don't think you'll take issue with all the Xbox fans using "but that decision was made by the Microsoft of 2013" and all that jazz, would you? Sony could be planning BC in a big way for PS5 whether it's because John Kodera wants it, or Sony has had a change in priorities and wants PS5 as a fresh start, and you wouldn't know it. You've been hopeful for Xbox to change into what it is now, for almost a whole generation. I'd hope you would offer the same degree of patience to Sony. The company that doesn't prioritise BC today, might be the one that does the opposite a couple of years from now.
The only thing more oppressed than gamers are xbox gamers
#XboxRyseUp
You just wait! If the Bluepoint Demon's Souls Remaster is really happening..... ;)
1X is amazing machine. Glad MS made it and also bought many studios. This gen belongs to Sony but MS has good momentum for next-gen.
What kind of response is this?
This explains everything......wow
Way to start the article/thread there bud. It's great console and Microsoft has been killing it since the initial missteps but..no, that's false and subjective at best. The UI alone makes me not want to start my xbox.
What does he mean by CGI trailers anyway? Pre-rendered? Like that infamous Killzone trailer back in 2005? That would be a completely false statement or more frankly a blatant lie. If he is referring to realtime scenes or cut together realtime scenes from games, where's the problem? Every game developer predominantly shows off their games in trailers like that. Playing game demos live on conferences is comparatively rare. And even then, Sony actually did that a lot with UC4, HZD, GoW, Detroit, Spider-Man, GoT...
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You didn't want to get into console ware territory, but your "Sad" they cut your line that "PS4 is the most basic bitch console"??? WTF does that even mean? It is just a stretch trying to explain why Microsoft made the decisions they did without any background into those decisions and just trying to connect dots. It's just a biased opinion piece really! Kudos for getting it published. It was entertaining!
He's got a history of this stuff. A long history. Just go back a page or so to see some examples.
Another gem :)
It's like saying that Panasonic 3DO is the best console of early 90s, because Sega MD and SNES were "a basic bitch consoles" and they did "nothing unique or interesting".
I'm quite happy with my basic bitch console and my tablet with a TV-out, thank you very much.
Xbox has improved a fair bit over the course of this generation, but I wouldn't hesitate to sell my Xbox One over my PS4 or Switch if I had to make a choice. Next generation might very well be different, but I have been incredibly disappointed in Xbox this cycle. And a powerful mid-gen refresh has done nothing to change that.
Xbox has improved a fair bit over the course of this generation, but I wouldn't hesitate to sell my Xbox One over my PS4 or Switch if I had to make a choice. Next generation might very well be different, but I have been incredibly disappointed in Xbox this cycle. And a powerful mid-gen refresh has done nothing to change that.
I find it hard to fault both equally for CGI trailers for distant games when Microsoft alone canceled several of the games on display.
We got trailers for Phantom Dust, Scalebound and Fable Legends, all games that never came out.
Not to mention titles like Project Spark that were discontinued after release.
OP mentions that Microsoft no longer does this, and we are all better for it. But the both sides angle is BS.
We got trailers for Phantom Dust, Scalebound and Fable Legends, all games that never came out.
Not to mention titles like Project Spark that were discontinued after release.
OP mentions that Microsoft no longer does this, and we are all better for it. But the both sides angle is BS.
User warned: Platform warring
OP is right, MS so unique.
What you gonna say huh? We get Gears, Forza and Halo all the time? They bring those new IP on the regular unlike Sony who isn't unique at all.
Just you wait until you see the power of the cloud. It's coming. Gonna show you things you never thought possible.
Edit - Shouldn't say OP. I meant the person who wrote the article.
What you gonna say huh? We get Gears, Forza and Halo all the time? They bring those new IP on the regular unlike Sony who isn't unique at all.
Just you wait until you see the power of the cloud. It's coming. Gonna show you things you never thought possible.
Edit - Shouldn't say OP. I meant the person who wrote the article.
These are some fair points, but most of it is circumstantial and doesn't really build much of a case.
- PS2 was removed as a necessary measure due to bleeding money on initial PS3 hardware.
- Sony didn't make anyone buy squat.
- Sony has had far fewer successful remasters this gen than last, and I think that is a potential catalyst for change.
- If Sony wants to compete with MS adding PS4 games to Now is a good move going into next-gen.
- Is this the Jim Ryan comparing PS1/PS2 Gran Turismo games to PS3/PS4 on a visual level?
I'll refer to my previous comment for why it's in Sony's best interests to not rely on remastered games for PS5:
Additionally, Sony is better than to leave their successful and growing PSVR efforts in the dust when the PS5 launches, and start their VR game library from zero, when one of their biggest strengths in the console VR market now, is their library. Doubly so when they're investing more in deeper VR gaming experiences and actually investing more in VR in a first-party capacity. I think PS4 BC is practically guaranteed on this basis alone.
yep, when I realized it was DocSeuss who wrote this article it made a lot more sense how much hyperbole there was
I look forward to Nib getting back from his ban, he's one of the better posters on here IMO
People don't seem to realize that MS enjoyed so much success with the 360 largely because of Sony's blunder. Were Sony priced evenly or affordably relative to the 360, they would've surpassed MS in lifetime sales much sooner. They were riding the momentum of the PS2 and their arrogance occluded their vision and made them underestimate the competition. That won't happen again considering that we've heard continually from PS executives since who've communicated as much. We see the evidence in the expansion of their teams and you'd be foolish to think they're not going to spend many millions in R&D on PS5 and PSVR2. Playstation as a brand is much more valuable to Sony than Xbox is to Microsoft, so to think Sony is expending anything less than MS is faulty logic to me. We'll see the coming generation whose predictions were sound and which were off the mark.
Man if they could just secure consistent, quality first party titles, it would be the best console, really hope they kick some goals next gen.
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PS4 BC on PS5 is a go to me.
It is more a question of how far the implementation goes. On a scale of bare minimum to Xbox One tier quality, where do you think PS4 BC would land? How much effort would go into it? How likely are PS1/PS2/PS3? Etc...
It is more a question of how far the implementation goes. On a scale of bare minimum to Xbox One tier quality, where do you think PS4 BC would land? How much effort would go into it? How likely are PS1/PS2/PS3? Etc...
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Conversely, Sony only succeeded with PS4 to this degree because the WiiU was completely dead in the water and Microsoft bungled their launch and marketing so badly. Complete dominance isn't necessarily their default state - we've never seen what it looks like when all 3 players are firing on all cylinders. It's going to be an exciting generation, imo.
Yeah it's been a good turnaround. Still just need better OS reliability and performance. The X itself is a masterpiece system, but the first party output remains anemic. Their new studios are a giant potential boon though, and I am very optimistic for the new Halo as well as anything Playground Games puts out. ID@Xbox (please change this name) has quietly been doing amazing work too.
You're free to your opinions, but that doesn't mean you can't be called out on it when you're trying to sell it to others based off false premises and revisionism.
I prefer the types of games that MS exclusives tend to be, I'm not one of the "but the games are the most important thing" people, and there are many things that MS is doing that are better in my books than Sony currently is, but by all means continue calling me a fanboy.
I'm also interested in hearing about this incredibly unique thing that Xbox hardware has over everyone.
When this generation started I said "there's no fucking way I'm ever buying an Xbox again." I loved the 360 but the one looked like a disaster. I had to settle for a PS4, which wasn't my first choice because I don't like Sony consoles. When the X came out, I knew I had to sell my Pro to buy the X and some games, and boy, was it a great idea. Props to MS for turning the ship around before it started sinking.
If Timdog or Dobby made an article we shouldn't bring their history? Why every thread that includes Pacther his history is brought up with a lot of mockery with no mod action? Some consistency would be nice.
Agreed. It's silly to claim any company's success is largely due to the faults of the competition. It completely dismisses what the competition does right. It also dismisses the importance of competition when one assumes a specific company will always dominate regardless of how well the other parties do.
It's a opinion piece, I'd say the author is pretty relevant to it.
I wouldn't even consider Wii U a competitor to the PS4 as you said because it was already dead and technologically, competing against PS3/360. Microsoft essentially pulled a PS3 this gen and it sounds as if they're going that same route, speculatively, based on price. I welcome it honestly, it'll be a bloodbath if all 3 console makers basically offer the same experience and the only determining factor is first party software. Because of increasing dev costs, I think we'll see both more multiplatform games (except Japanese produced and appealing games that don't make it to the Xbox ) and timed exclusivity.
So then are you then claiming that the 360 and PS4 did not in fact enjoy as much success as they did because of the blunders of their respective competition? It's silly to claim they didn't, that is a direct factor as to why they were as successful as they were.
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yep I agree with this, many of us have known Doc for years between ERA and the forum that will go unnamed, why is the context of his previous posts not relevant? it's not like he's changed any of his views
also this, let Doc defend himself, he's perfectly willing as his posts in this thread prove
banning Nib95 and giving DocSeuss seeming protected status make it feel like ERA isn't all that different from the previous forum where some users were obvious favorites of mods who got away with stuff others couldn't
Yeah, this. The author's history is relevant to discussion about an opinion piece.
Doc's article is an extension of the content of his post history, therefore it's pretty relevant to the discussion.
Maybe stopping with the overreaction will make you start it then.
If you ignore that 2/3 of their home consoles(soon to be 3/4) sold north of 100 million with their worst effort being slightly north 80 million and neck and neck with Xbox's best performance so far, I guess you can say that
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The only thing lacking from Xbox right now is more high quality first party games, which they are obviously trying to address by building 2 studios and acquiring others. Everything else is fantastic and a cut above the competition imo. Got to carry that over into next gen and bring the high quality first party titles with it.
Pretty sure the ban was over the Twitter detective work, not specifically over past posting history claims.
"Off-site" digging is against the rules.
I think the point the mod is trying to make is people are making it personal by bringing up his history, as controversial as it may be, which is different to someone defending themselves or their view. I get why people have an issue with the article, but then debate the content of the article and see where the opinions stem from, not attack the person in question directly.
i was expecting something slightly more nuanced and reasonable from the title but all i got was a low quality Microsoft fanfic 😬 Xbox One X is the best console because it's the most powerful and has a sturdy controller? give me a break. games matter, 1st party output matters, stewardship of said 1st party matters, and Microsoft shouldn't be given the benefit of the doubt until we see actual, concrete results... yes, they have something nice going on with the backwards compatibility, but that's all it is; nice. It's nice to have. It doesn't make the XB1 the one true king and Phil Spencer into Jesus. And make no mistake Microsoft pushed it as hard as they did because it was quite honestly all they had. It's a stop-gap, and they are hoping it's enough to put the blinders on the horse and placate the most hardcore fans till they get their shit together. Apparently, it would seem it is.
A platform launched and bought exclusives and had barebones infrastructure that it was trying to sell to people based on past accomplishments, but years later we see a full vision of their future being implemented by a newly picked leader from among the previous infrastructure.
It's almost like it takes time to do things right.
That said, I think most of the stuff people talk about for Xbox is a bit overblown or was being done by others and then they made a big deal about it.
I do think the assistance controller is great and for people who have extensive backlogs, having backwards compatibility to their older games is cool. Most of the rest of it? It's been being done by others.
Bringing up an author's biases is always relevant when discussing the content of an article like this.
I don't think it is, I think it's entirely in line with what the article is about and his history. it's extremely relevant to the topic.
Exactly. The article is worth having a thread about, but it shouldn't turn into people digging up crap and making it personal. There's plenty of stuff in the article you can argue about and use to discredit the point it's making if that's what you want to do.
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