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The Fall and Rise of the Xbox One
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If it's used to point out inconsistencies or highlight how it makes sense to a person's tastes, sure. However people are making it personal by directly attacking the guy.
The big console releases are the big third party titles. Which is the majority of the games on a system.
RDR2
COD
Battlefield
Destiny
Anthem
The Division
Far Cry
Those are all big console releases. They essentially went from a under performing console to "if you want the most bang for your buck on your new 4k tv...you should play here"
And the craziest thing is, they are still the losers of this generation but have a head start on next gen with all the good faith.
It is pointing out inconsistentcies and it's doing exactly that.
This article went through three editors, none of which are die-hard xbox fans. They were happy with it. You're seeing what isn't there.
In nib's case, where I'm most concerned (aside from the stalking, what the fuck?) is that he's like "hey, this article ignores Microsoft's history, like it's lack of games." Having written this thing as a 6,000 word monstrosity before we got it down to a more readable size... I know for a fact I definitely talked about Microsoft's lack of games. It's a big problem. It's in the piece. So nib was clearly lying about the piece.
I would love for people to find specific statements in my piece that don't work. If I'm wrong, I am wrong. But I see a lot of sort of general "this isn't true" without any actual discussion. "oh, doc just doesn't like Sony" is patently absurd, I love my Vitas and will defend them to the death; I'm a PSP stan too. If there are actual inaccuracies in my piece, please, point them out, let me know if I got something wrong. If I got a serious fact wrong, then I will alert my editors and we'll issue a correction. In 5 years of games writing, I've had to issue a few, it's no skin off my nose.
If you want to say "hey, doc, you got this fact wrong" or something, please, by all means, do it. I worked hard with my editors to try to make sure it was factual; I had some great things I wanted to use in the piece that we had to cut because we couldn't find enough evidence to verify it, so I'm of the belief we did a great job on it.
It feels like people aren't really addressing the piece, they're just offended by the suggestion that the console is good hardware.
I want people to argue with me about claims I made in the piece. Surely that's not too hard?
honestly I'm pretty demoralized that a bunch of people tried to make it about me and everyone ignored the actual piece, it bums me out and makes me want to go do other shit instead, but I don't want anyone to think I'm trying to drive by. I just, I dunno, it bums me out? No one ever looks at what I say unless they agree with it. It's disheartening.
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This is false. Microsoft enjoyed a ton of success because of Halo, Call of Duty, and Kinect in the US/UK.
Ask Phil, he'll tell you they have more work to do with the rest of the world because despite 360 success, it masked large weaknesses in their consumer base in its highs.
Let alone the red ring of death. Granted the change in leadership with Don Mattrick taking over did ruin Microsoft's 1st party output at the end of the generation and that did lead into this generation with the Xbox One.
There's a strong difference between dissecting what you find incorrect or correct about an article and digging through someone's online history.
As stated by Kage Maru, "debate the content of the article and see where the opinions stem from, not attack the person in question directly."
As for the article itself; I find that the PlayStation still has the console games that I want to play. As far as the online platforms, I'll concede that Live is great; but as a PC gamer it wouldn't be enough to sway to me, nor do I find backwards compatibility to be a particularly big issue for me. I found the history of it all to be a nice inclusion in the piece (granted none of it unknown to me). I do feel that the Xbox One reveal was somewhat hand-waved past around (but was indeed covered).
Overall, I feel like the article was well written and does cover why I think the Xbox's image has been saved; it's conclusion differs from my own. The brand and hte console are far better off than where I had expected it to be just a few years ago; but I find more value out of the other offerings. PS4 for the games I like to play, Switch for the Nintendo exclusives, and PC for everything else. I will say that had this been the initial release direction, then it would have likely been a far harder choice.
As for the questions in the OP:
What y'all think of where Xbox One has come since launch?
Going to be honest, it's been an incredible turn around. It's in a solid position right now, no doubt.
What stands out?
Big fan of the game pass from what I've heard about it
What needs more work?
Hard to say at the moment. With where we are in the cycle, my focus is on future hardware; and so should Microsoft's.
As stated by Kage Maru, "debate the content of the article and see where the opinions stem from, not attack the person in question directly."
As for the article itself; I find that the PlayStation still has the console games that I want to play. As far as the online platforms, I'll concede that Live is great; but as a PC gamer it wouldn't be enough to sway to me, nor do I find backwards compatibility to be a particularly big issue for me. I found the history of it all to be a nice inclusion in the piece (granted none of it unknown to me). I do feel that the Xbox One reveal was somewhat hand-waved past around (but was indeed covered).
Overall, I feel like the article was well written and does cover why I think the Xbox's image has been saved; it's conclusion differs from my own. The brand and hte console are far better off than where I had expected it to be just a few years ago; but I find more value out of the other offerings. PS4 for the games I like to play, Switch for the Nintendo exclusives, and PC for everything else. I will say that had this been the initial release direction, then it would have likely been a far harder choice.
As for the questions in the OP:
What y'all think of where Xbox One has come since launch?
Going to be honest, it's been an incredible turn around. It's in a solid position right now, no doubt.
What stands out?
Big fan of the game pass from what I've heard about it
What needs more work?
Hard to say at the moment. With where we are in the cycle, my focus is on future hardware; and so should Microsoft's.
This might be the most ridiculous ban I've ever seen. I could see if the author of the article didn't come in the thread and spew more nonsense. It would be nice to see Nib95 unbanned immediately and apologized to.
Other than RDR2 the best place to play every single one of those is PC. And don't give me "not everyone can afford a PC" if your argument is predicated on a $450 console and a 4K TV. The Xbox One X is an enthusiast machine, and a damned impressive one, but if most bang for your buck is the argument an S w/ gamepass is a better one. If best place to play third party is your argument, PC is the winner. If console exclusives are your argument, Xbox was never in the conversation. The #1 selling point of an X to me, and the reason I've almost bought one several times, is BC upscaling.
This sums up my feelings well. The PS4 > Switch > PC trinity is basically unbeatable - which makes the article's conclusion "Xbox One X is the best place to play" feel questionable at best to me.
Honestly...you don't have to defend your work man, it's a good article. Don't feed the trolls.
I don't agree. I think both systems enjoyed the success they saw more so for the things they did right rather than what the competition did wrong. It's not like these competing systems weren't without their own stumbles, especially in the case of the 360.
With the 360, we saw a system that released a year earlier, was much cheaper but was still technically comparable to the main competition. It offered a large, diverse library, especially when you consider where the Xbox brand came from.They offered features and services that we wouldn't see on other systems until the next generation.
With the PS4, they offered a considerable performance gap for a cheaper price. It was the home and launch console for many indie titles. It too offered a large, diverse library that catered to many different gamers. It closed the gap on features and in some ways even did those features better than the competition. They did all this while continuing to push for a great lineup of 1st party titles.
Both successes were well deserved imo. Would the gap be nearly as large had the competition not screwed up so bad in the beginning? That's not something any of us could answer. Who's to say either company wouldn't have reacted and have been more aggressive had the competition made fewer mistakes? We'll never know.
I don't see people pointing out inconsistencies, I see people dismissing him or attacking his character because of his history.
This is also false.
Sony has succeeded due to smart partnerships (Destiny, Rocket League, Fortnite, Spider-Man, etc.), a string of hit exclusive titles (Infamous, Uncharted, Horizon, God of War, et.), a better inherited economy around the world, and the PS4 establishing itself as a place for all games from indie to big budget early on attracting a wider selection of games. It also helps they have had much better Japanese relationships.
Business isn't something that means someone else fucking up means success. They both could have failed to launch.
Where is the consistency though? Why Pacther's history get dragged here without the same moderation qualification? If outlets allowed Twitter fanboys to write articles for them then are we not supposed to bring it up either? if I made a thread about Crapgamer's video should we just discuss its content and ignore the person history? This hasn't been the case on Era before or at least it isn't consistent enough that the only reason that this is being enforced here is that the user is also a member and favoritism is being applied.
I know I'm rehashing my earlier post but I didn't get a response. If you don't wish to respond I would understand and I won't bring it up again.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong. PC is one of the worst places to play some of those games due to the tiny size of the communities.
His history is exactly part of why because he is known. It's the same if jason scheier, arthur gies or ben kuchera posted an article. There previous history is exactly what I would be highlighting. Talking about the writer and his histroy is extremely relevant to what he wrote and the prospective on what he's writing about. Not to mention his posts in this very thread.
The same can be said though in regards to those attacking him.
I'm hoping that I can convince someone to let me write about how bad the Microsoft Store is in the future.
It should be obvious from the piece that I love the console as it is. I think it's a pretty box, it's objectively powerful, and like... last night, a friend of mine was going "holy shit how does ninja gaiden black look this good?" As someone who loved a lot of games like Conker and Crimson Skies, the Xbox One X is in this amazing place where it appeals to me in a huge way. It's so close to perfect... it just doesn't have the games. But I mean, I have weird tastes. No bones about it. I don't care about any Nintendo games out there right now so my switch only gets turned on if I need it for work. I don't really care about most Sony exclusives either, so again, a problem. I don't care about most Microsoft exclusives either right now. So for me... this is entirely a hardware and "what old games can i play?" discussion. I realize that's different for other people. Like, if you're really big into open-world action adventure games, the Playstation is the best choice. If you love Nintendo games, yeah, get you that Mario/Smash box. But for me, someone whose favorite games this year are almost entirely PC exclusives... all I really care about is hardware and ecosystem, and the Xbox hardware/software is the most interesting to me right now.
I think if Microsoft forges ahead, and they're like "okay, our ecosystem is good, now it's time to bring the games," that's awesome.
But... look, I'll be honest... Crackdown 3 isn't inspiring me. I like Ninja Theory but they're a very 7/10 studio imo. I am not a big fan of how Wasteland 2 plays and Torment didn't get great reviews. I like Obsidian, but the shooting in Outer Worlds isn't really getting my attention. I linked my take here on 343i's work on Halo. It bums me out a lot. I love the Halo games; they are some of the finest crafted games of all time. I don't think 343i has made one as good as Bungie has.
I'm honestly a bit concerned that even with all these acquisitions, a lot of which are super appealing to people in the niche--these are all very INTERESTING developers--Microsoft isn't bringing the "event" games yet. It's their biggest weakness. The Microsoft Store is another big one (during edits on this piece, I had to clarify that I love the fact that I can play Forza Motorsport 4 on my Xbox or PC with crossbuy/cross save, but I hate the store I have to download it from). I think as much as Microsoft has done to turn this ship around...
I mean... is it enough?
This is where I'm personally struggling. I like the device. I'm geeking out over it. But I also want to buy a June oven ($500, lmfao, no can do). I would buy myself a 3DO if I could. I love tech. I love surrounding myself with tech. My friends send me their old electronics when they don't want them. I have 12 Playstation-branded consoles in my house right now because I love this beautiful old hardware that people have sent to me. The Xbox One X is the most alluring tech on the market right now, and the way I can stream shit flawlessly or seamlessly jump between my PC and my TV is amazing. It's like a more robust version of Steam's whole in-home streaming setup. This tech is WONDERFUL. I would love to buy a 4K TV so I could see what HDR is like.
But... I don't know if they're bringing the Event Games. I bet Outer Wilds will be a cult classic, but you take a game like God of War, with its really in-depth cinematics and emphasis on its awe-inspiring art direction, and like... I dunno, can Obsidian compete with Santa Monica Studio? Obsidian is a studio with a history of releasing the most broken games in years. Sure, I gave Pillars of Eternity 2 a 4.5 out of 5. I loved it. One of the best games of the year. Sold like ass.
I don't know if Microsoft can make people go "I need to spend money on this." Halo's ENTIRE philosophy is one I don't want to be a part of. Bungie's Halo is how you're this noble, badass warrior with great lines. 343's Halo is like "u are a war crime. ur best friend is INSANE." Who wants to live out that fantasy?
How can Microsoft overcome this? I think it has to be a conscious change.
I personally believe that Infamous games are Sony's best first-party exclusives, but I don't think that those games could be called "hits." They're niche as hell. Always made me sad. Second Son and First Light did poorly enough that Sony chose not to continue the franchise.
I don't know. The communities seem fine in most games like BF, Fortnite, or PUBG. I'd more so argue that if bang for the buck is his main argument then a 2x price increase for a 4.6x performance increase would put the 1X ahead in the bang for buck category. GamePass works just the same on the 1X, so it should apply there as well.
sadly it seems that's not going to happen
as I saw it it seemed like it was being brought up BECAUSE of what DocSeuss was saying both in this thread and in his article
in what way? I don't think I've ever seen someone accuse Nib of being a fanboy
I honestly believe this is one of the best posts I've ever seen from you Doc, it's a very good argument and something I actually find myself agreeing with
Quite an important thing to note I would have thought.
I've recently bought an Xbox One X (my first ever Xbox in fact) but I certainly don't feel it's the best console on the market, purely because there is more to a console than how powerful it is.
Nib's not a fanboy but I do agree that post history is relevant to both the posters and the writer.
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. See? We can both just say that with no evidence. Do you have anything to back up the relative strength of communities claim? I'd be interested in seeing what you're basing that off of.
Maybe X1 is the best hardware on the market but it's hardly the best place to game. All we ever hear from Philly is that next year should be an even better year, which frankly isn't saying much. At this point I don't get excited hearing Halo 6 or Gears 5 anymore. How about some new, original, exclusive experiences rivaling TLOU, GOW, Spiderman, Detroit, etc.
As an owner of an Xbox I hope that MS can bring some interesting games out before next gen or I'll probably pass on their next console.
As an owner of an Xbox I hope that MS can bring some interesting games out before next gen or I'll probably pass on their next console.
Honestly I feel that this is something every publisher and developer struggle with. How do you create something that creates a vacuum in the room that excites within the first few minutes. And it's not as simple as pure aesthetics, gameplay, etc. It's something that has to come from the perfect marriage of all the components that I think still relies 50% on luck. Not on the quality of the game, but the immediacy of a game having an appeal where the first 5 minute trailer will have 20 million people captivated.
If his history shows that he has a preference for xbox, how is that inconsistent with the article or his posts here? What I'm seeing is people acting like his opinion doesn't matter because he has a preference for the Xbox and that's just silly. On top of that, it's not like opinions or preferences can't change or be taken out of context. So pointing to jason scheier's history, for example, can be a flawed way to discuss their article. I saw similar ignorant attacks against Jason from the thread about his video with YongYea. People can debate the points without tearing the person down.
Hmmm this is definitely an interesting take and I would like some clarification from the mods on this one. Would like to know where we draw the line.
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