except the third one is supposed to do what the first one did, but better.
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The first game is the original. The second game is the weird one. The third does the first again, but better this time.
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except the third one is supposed to do what the first one did, but better.
If this was a Mass Effect thread it should be called "The first game is a flawed masterpiece, the second game is greatest game ever crafted by human hands and the third is a crime against humanity from which it will never recover".
disgaea 4 felt like it struck that nice balance disgaea 1 had. a lot of that rides on valvatorez's charisma though.
at the time, i was disappointed by disgaea 2. i haven't played it in about 13 years. guess i should give it another go since i know what to expect now.
That's because Mystery was just a remake/sequel to the original. FE4 went off in some crazy gameplay directions of its own. And a lot of Gaiden mechanics ended up coming back in one way or another over the years until they finally remade it as Shadows of Valentia with the thought of just going all-in on everything that made Gaiden what it is.
Some people call Gaiden a black sheep, but it really never was.
Resident Evil.
The first game had branching story paths, choices which affected progression, as well as different endings.
RE2 ditched this for the same scenario playing identical each time. LeonA will always be the exact same LeonA etc.
RE3 brought back RE1 branching paths, altered progression and choices and endings and did it to a whole new level.
The first game had branching story paths, choices which affected progression, as well as different endings.
RE2 ditched this for the same scenario playing identical each time. LeonA will always be the exact same LeonA etc.
RE3 brought back RE1 branching paths, altered progression and choices and endings and did it to a whole new level.
Most people seen to forget that MGS2 is the fifth game in the franchise. The "weird" one is obviously Snake's Revenge.
Too bad there was never a Mass Effect 3. I've always wondered how the story would end. Guess we'll never know...
Both 2D and 3D Mario might qualify here (latter is a bit harder to justify, though):
SMB1 -> SMB2/USA -> SMB3
SM64 -> SMS -> SMG
SMB1 -> SMB2/USA -> SMB3
SM64 -> SMS -> SMG
Halo this was definitely intentional. The slower pace than Halo 2, the more straight forward story, focus squarely back on Chief.
Silent Hill kinda did this? Although, in a weirder way, as Silent Hill 1 still does things better than the others in some ways(Camera angles, industrial music, Otherworld Streets). Then 2 came out and threw the entire aesthetic of the first game out for a more fitting(though less interesting IMO) dreary decay.
Then 3 came and took 1's industrial oppression and elevated the design quirks to a beautiful degree, though didn't carry over 1's industrial focused soundtrack for the most part(Even if theres still a lot in there) and reuses 2's map of the town instead.
Then the rest happened(Though 4 is a good game, dont @ me)
Then 3 came and took 1's industrial oppression and elevated the design quirks to a beautiful degree, though didn't carry over 1's industrial focused soundtrack for the most part(Even if theres still a lot in there) and reuses 2's map of the town instead.
Then the rest happened(Though 4 is a good game, dont @ me)
Technically, Resident Evil did this on a bigger scale. The first three games followed the same formula, then 4-6 took off in a weird action era, and now we're back to horror/survival oriented focus with 7, RE2make, and presumably 8.
Resistance FoT is one of my favorite shooters ever, love the gameplay and lore! The PSP 3rd person game was also very good. At the same time, I never disliked so much a sequel as Resistance 2. The singleplayer was a generic Halo/CoD inspired piece of trash that 100% butchered the story (the multiplayer was okay though). Hated that game so much that I completely ignored Resistance 3. I wonder if I should have given that game a chance...
This is a known effect in software design
well, it makes no predictions on the third system, other than it will be more pared down than the second.
well, it makes no predictions on the third system, other than it will be more pared down than the second.
If Nintendo doesn't see SMG as a continuation of SM64, I don't think it applies.
Despite not being "128", it's hard to argue that Sunshine isn't the 3D Mario game that is the most like 64: explorable hub, levels with 6+ star/shines each, red coins, etc.
I find the third game to be the weird one, and that the second game is what they wanted to make originally, but couldn't because they had to find the core of it first.
Eh, I wouldn't call 3 better than 1. 3 is definitely solid though.
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Alright, throwing my hat in for Valkyria Chronicles.
First one was an innovative and original SRPG with a decent worldbuilding foundation that earned Cult Classic status easily in the Early PS3 Drought Period.
...The second one was a crappy Monster Hunter clone full of trend-chasing High School Anime bullshit. All the content was balanced around Coop and was either Completely Braindead Easy or "oh god oh fuck this is impossible without 3 other players" G-Rank wannabe bullshit with no inbetween.
Third one, of course, a solid SRPG that improved on all the foundations of the first game, with a much darker plot than the original game's lowest points for sure. Perfectly Balanced, as all things should be. Albeit the game was more heavy on RPG elements than prior games with Skill Trees, Special Abilities, and unique gear for characters to equip instead of just cookie-cutting identical gear for the whole party.
So yeah, Valkyria Chronicles.
And well, the Fourth game is just a straight clone of the first game with a few mechanics from 2 (APCs) and 3 (Multiple-unit moves, Accessory slots) added in with a few other small gimmicks.
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Alright, throwing my hat in for Valkyria Chronicles.
First one was an innovative and original SRPG with a decent worldbuilding foundation that earned Cult Classic status easily in the Early PS3 Drought Period.
...The second one was a crappy Monster Hunter clone full of trend-chasing High School Anime bullshit. All the content was balanced around Coop and was either Completely Braindead Easy or "oh god oh fuck this is impossible without 3 other players" G-Rank wannabe bullshit with no inbetween.
Third one, of course, a solid SRPG that improved on all the foundations of the first game, with a much darker plot than the original game's lowest points for sure. Perfectly Balanced, as all things should be. Albeit the game was more heavy on RPG elements than prior games with Skill Trees, Special Abilities, and unique gear for characters to equip instead of just cookie-cutting identical gear for the whole party.
So yeah, Valkyria Chronicles.
And well, the Fourth game is just a straight clone of the first game with a few mechanics from 2 (APCs) and 3 (Multiple-unit moves, Accessory slots) added in with a few other small gimmicks.
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Valkyria Chronicles
The trilogy came to my mind after reading the title.
Valkyria Chronicles
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The trilogy came to my mind after reading the title.
Super Mario Bros is the best example of this, but the development history of 2 is the explanation there.
Honestly, it is definitely a sight to see on PC at 4K 60FPS. A decent bit better than Bloodborne in that way, best Souls has ever looked.
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Resident Evil 1/2/3 are this as well, I think.
RE2 takes the two characters and expands upon them with the A/B scenario system, making both routes "canon." It spans a much larger environment. Its story is more intricate. And it all builds perfectly off of what the first game laid out, both in gameplay and in story/atmosphere.
RE3, meanwhile, while still a great game, has weird gimmicks like the proto-QTEs, Nemesis chasing you, taking place during the same timeframe as RE2, etc.
Indeed. Many people do forget about the original games, and Snake's Revenge is a weird game, but it's not the real metal gear 2 and it deserves to be forgotten.
The real mg2 is Metal Gear 2: Solid Snake and it's a masterpiece that still holds up to this day, in my opinion.
Zone of the Enders.
ZoE 1 - mech based action game.
ZoE: Fist of Mars - a SRT ripoff strategy game.
ZoE 2 - is like the first, but an improvement in every way.
But the third one is the weird one in Xenosaga. Episode I tries to build on Xenogears's gameplay. Episode II tries to dumb down Episode I's gameplay, but makes it worse. Episode III is a completely generic turn based battle system. The last game is the weird one.
ZoE 1 - mech based action game.
ZoE: Fist of Mars - a SRT ripoff strategy game.
ZoE 2 - is like the first, but an improvement in every way.
But the third one is the weird one in Xenosaga. Episode I tries to build on Xenogears's gameplay. Episode II tries to dumb down Episode I's gameplay, but makes it worse. Episode III is a completely generic turn based battle system. The last game is the weird one.
Devil May Cry is the posterchild for this.
Pokemon, Uncharted, God of War, etc.
The first game is good, but flawed.
By the second game, they know what works and what doesn't and it gets polished to perfection.
Pokemon, Uncharted, God of War, etc.
The first game is good, but flawed.
By the second game, they know what works and what doesn't and it gets polished to perfection.
I believe the only pattern is a developer may try to cater to fans more after a more controversial installment, with a more traditional protagonist/art style or 'back to basics'.
Wind Waker > Twilight Princess
FF VIII > FF IX
GTA IV > V (GTA became more a farce again)
Double Dash > Mario Kart DS
Smash Brawl > Smash 4 (controversial 'tripping', felt bigger budget with Subspace Emissary Mode, included level editor at launch and was arguably over ambitious)
To name a few that aren't third entries believed to be amendments.
Wind Waker > Twilight Princess
FF VIII > FF IX
GTA IV > V (GTA became more a farce again)
Double Dash > Mario Kart DS
Smash Brawl > Smash 4 (controversial 'tripping', felt bigger budget with Subspace Emissary Mode, included level editor at launch and was arguably over ambitious)
To name a few that aren't third entries believed to be amendments.
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Streets of Rage basic beat em up
Streets of Rage 2 made more of a leap with controls and cast
Streets of Rage 3 copied 2 but added more content
Call of Duty Black ops
Black ops 1 went off in it's own story direction and multiplayer features
Black ops 2 added choice and consequence no COD has done this since
Black ops 3 lost the plot but added mutiplayer online campaign
Streets of Rage 2 made more of a leap with controls and cast
Streets of Rage 3 copied 2 but added more content
Call of Duty Black ops
Black ops 1 went off in it's own story direction and multiplayer features
Black ops 2 added choice and consequence no COD has done this since
Black ops 3 lost the plot but added mutiplayer online campaign
Uncharted 2 had a solid opening but IMO is the second worst.