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The Flash S5 |OT| The Bitchin' House of Ls

Vito

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Oct 25, 2017
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The list of heroes present for Flash vanishing changed:


Before: Green Arrow, Hawkgirl and the Atom

After: Green Arrow, White Canary, Supergirl, Batwoman, and "a slew of other Legendary heroes"
Looks like Batwoman is getting picked up.
 
Nov 30, 2017
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At least we get more Ralph. Hopefully he has a part of the next crossover. I wonder how much they had to change for this season because if I remember correctly wasn't Wally supposed to be in two more episodes after the first episode? I remember them saying that and I know the actor was busy and all.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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There's bound to be some kind of fuckery going on with the cure and it only hibernates the gene instead of fully killing it.
From what we know, the cure doesn't affect the meta gene itself. Rather it negates the dark matter that powers the gene. So Cisco should be able to restore his powers via exposure to dark matter if he needs to.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I’m gonna binge the back half when I get a chance but ohhhhh this thread showing positivity while the GoT threads are sounding like this one did for so long has me tickled.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I’m gonna binge the back half when I get a chance but ohhhhh this thread showing positivity while the GoT threads are sounding like this one did for so long has me tickled.
It's mostly thanks to Thawne (the true hero of the show).
This basically.

People are still running on the finale being good/great compared to the rest of the season. As a matter a fact, you can skip the rest of the season and go straight to the last ep. It'll save you much pain...

It took Jeff something like 30 years to take down Tobias.
Now put Tobias in Central City and see how many harpoons Team Flash take while never stopping him. Ever.

..and to be fair, he didn't know he was still around and couldn't find him for much of that time.
 

Keym

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
4,683
As a matter a fact, you can skip the rest of the season and go straight to the last ep. It'll save you much pain...
There's still some okay stuff in there. The time rewind episode, when Barry finds out about Nora's secret and the Rouges were fine overall. But yeah, you could skip most of it and just watch every Thawne scene before the finale.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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At least we get more Ralph. Hopefully he has a part of the next crossover. I wonder how much they had to change for this season because if I remember correctly wasn't Wally supposed to be in two more episodes after the first episode? I remember them saying that and I know the actor was busy and all.
"Wally kind of forgot that he was supposed to be in this season."
 
Aug 22, 2018
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I know fiction has to work, so writers basically never deal with this, but man, the second Nora showed up, she basically should have evaporated out of the timeline. For example, if on whatever day Nora is conceived, Barry and Iris have sex one thousandth of a second later: no Nora. There are trillions of tiny factors that lead up to that moment. For that matter, and not to be gross, but a guy releases like 200 million sperm at a time. Just look at how drastically different fraternal twins can be, for example.

Nora changed things so much that there's effectively a 0% chance that she would be born. The fact that the writers wrote in the fact that she vanished from the timeline means now we're in that sort of gray middle area between "it just works" fiction and the reality that any slight change to the timeline would have erased her to begin with.

Also, Barry and Iris remember her. How's that work? I guess we're operating on Looper rules.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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Nah, Barry hasn't had time to screw their life over yet with time travel shenanigans.
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With these writers, you don't need time travel shenanigans for that.

I just realized the "kind of forget" meme is GOT

Tbf I don't watch game of thrones
To be fair, it applies WAAAAY more to this show than it ever did in GoT. GoT was a one time event.. while it happens countless times here.
 
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ZeroX
Oct 25, 2017
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I know fiction has to work, so writers basically never deal with this, but man, the second Nora showed up, she basically should have evaporated out of the timeline. For example, if on whatever day Nora is conceived, Barry and Iris have sex one thousandth of a second later: no Nora. There are trillions of tiny factors that lead up to that moment. For that matter, and not to be gross, but a guy releases like 200 million sperm at a time. Just look at how drastically different fraternal twins can be, for example.
There's no point looking at it from that angle. By that logic it should be more or less impossible for doppelgangers on alternate Earths because history diverged, the sexual circumstances on all of the Earths would be completely different. The universes are compelled for things to happen to a certain extent, it's somewhat elastic, but pull it enough - the dagger being destroyed - and it snaps.
 

Keym

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
4,683
At this point I'm kinda doubting they'll even address Joe & Cecile's kid for the rest of the show's run.
I still want to know where Cecile got her powers from.

Nora changed things so much that there's effectively a 0% chance that she would be born.
It's usually stated that time in the Arrowverse tends to correct itself when it comes to certain events unless you brute force some really big change.
 
Aug 22, 2018
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There's no point looking at it from that angle. By that logic it should be more or less impossible for doppelgangers on alternate Earths because history diverged, the sexual circumstances on all of the Earths would be completely different. The universes are compelled for things to happen to a certain extent, it's somewhat elastic, but pull it enough - the dagger being destroyed - and it snaps.
I don't disagree. I think it's just that writing in Nora vanishing made me think all those things I would normally ignore.

I just thought about it some more, though, and I suppose what I missed is that they are saying Nora vanished because the Crisis event moved to 2019, which is before she was conceived, and that makes a lot of sense as a big enough reason for her to vanish.

Also, what you said about alternate Earths made just think about the fact that there should basically be zero dopplegangers in the Mirror Universe in Trek, lol. But again, I love my alternate Earth fiction, so it's best not to worry about these things.
It's usually stated that time in the Arrowverse tends to correct itself when it comes to certain events unless you brute force some really big change.
Oh, interesting. I had forgotten that. Thanks. :)
 
Oct 27, 2017
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I still want to know where Cecile got her powers from.
Supposedly.. she was in the city when the particle accelerator blew and got exposed then, but her powers didn't manifest until she got pregnant. Cause that makes sense..

edit:
From unknown means, Cecille residual dark matter energy in her body from the first particle accelerator explosion was activated from her pregnancy and with this altered her DNA and cells, enabling Cecille to access her new-found powers.
Pregnancy altered her DNA? WTF is this shit..
 
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ZeroX
Oct 25, 2017
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Speed Force
Supposedly.. she was in the city when the particle accelerator blew and got exposed then, but her powers didn't manifest until she got pregnant. Cause that makes sense..
How does a dark matter particle accelerator giving people superpowers make sense but those powers manifesting later through immense hormonal/emotional changes pushes it too far?

Like the answer is obviously it was meant to be the baby who had powers but they liked Cecile having powers so they just kept them, but it makes perfect sense in the universe.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm glad we don't have to deal with throaty Chris Klein anymore.

Honestly glad we don't have to see Nora shake her head from side to side when she's upset anymore either.

At least we got confirmation that Singh knew that Barry was Flash. I thought he's known for a while now.

Welcome back Thawne. We forgive you, king.
 
Oct 27, 2017
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How does a dark matter particle accelerator giving people superpowers make sense but those powers manifesting later through immense hormonal/emotional changes pushes it too far?

Like the answer is obviously it was meant to be the baby who had powers but they liked Cecile having powers so they just kept them, but it makes perfect sense in the universe.
I'm not trying to find logic in comic book power origins. Most/all of them make no sense and in real life people would just end up dead. I can deal with latent abilities that activate for whatever reason, like Bruce Banner changing into the Hulk cause he got a flat tire in the 70's series, but that doesn't mean it's not stupid.

That said, the thought of Cecile carrying around the baby in one of those baby carrier things while helping Team Flash fight baddies amuses me greatly.
 

Slayven

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Oct 25, 2017
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She's going to come back as an evil Speedster ala Daniel West or as Impulse. I'm sure Slayven would enjoy that lol.



Dude just wasn't about that life, I guess. Doesn't necessarily mean he needs to get rid of his powers but still..... Better to have his powers in case of an emergency instead of basic human technology and shit.

There's bound to be some kind of fuckery going on with the cure and it only hibernates the gene instead of fully killing it.
They should have tied it into the dagger shards killing him. Would have made too much sense I guess
 

Penguin

The Mushroom Kingdom Knight
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Oct 25, 2017
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What happened to Wally?

Like I know his actor left/has more pressing things to do, but I swore at the start of the season they said they had him for 3 episodes and he would actually get an arc to explain why he wasn't around anymore.
 
Oct 30, 2017
2,536
Canada
They should have tied it into the dagger shards killing him. Would have made too much sense I guess
It's weird, because they've written in (and heavily focused on) at least three trapdoors for getting Cisco off the show (Other-dimensional girlfriend, nosebleeds, dagger shards), but they ended up going with "he gets really inexplicably fixated on a cure and doesn't like his powers now I guess and also he just met a girl".

Cisco's a mess.

Also, I'd like to point out that Cisco just left like seven vials of meta-killing poison lying around.

So... Are we assuming future Iris disappeared too? Because if not they're dicks for not grabbing her real quick to say goodbye.
They were in Nora's time, so presumably the Iris that existed in that time would've become unaware of Nora ever existing.

Like I know his actor left/has more pressing things to do, but I swore at the start of the season they said they had him for 3 episodes and he would actually get an arc to explain why he wasn't around anymore.
He's in the promised land with Patty Spivot, Dr. Light, Tina McGee, Pied Piper, Jesse Quick, Julian Albert, and Tracy Brand.
 

GulAtiCa

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Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder what kind of Wells we will see next year. Maybe we won't get a new one and instead Thawne will be all the Wells we get and be around much more often.

Also, I miss Harry. :( Was really sad we never saw him again this year (unless I forgot? (The Harry from 100th episode of S2 doesn't count!)). Also, still annoyed they made him dumb..
 

Keym

The Fallen
Oct 26, 2017
4,683
Also, I miss Harry. :( Was really sad we never saw him again this year (unless I forgot? (The Harry from 100th episode of S2 doesn't count!)). Also, still annoyed they made him dumb..
Harry should've stayed. None of the other Wells made a lasting impression on me, Writer Wells bieng the worst of them.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I wonder what kind of Wells we will see next year. Maybe we won't get a new one and instead Thawne will be all the Wells we get and be around much more often.

Also, I miss Harry. :( Was really sad we never saw him again this year (unless I forgot? (The Harry from 100th episode of S2 doesn't count!)). Also, still annoyed they made him dumb..
Female Wells. Spend the whole season in drag.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Marlene and Devoe were great until Devoe started treating her like crap.
Savitar was a nothing character made worse somehow by the revelation because they took too long to develop him

Cicada was non threatening and had shitty actor and grace was barely in the show enough and seems to disappear whenever Team Flash needs a break

Devoe was too inconsistent honestly though his motivation and goal was shit

So yeah nothing since Zoom
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I will never understand how timelines work on this show. Somehow a speedster's legacy is untouched, even if they end up never existing. Also don't understand why Cisco gave up his powers. Just to prove a point? Did he not have enough will to simply not use them, or were his vibes uncontrollable at times? Seems to me more like a budget issue, or simply not wanting to use "Vibe" on the field in any future episodes more than anything.

LOL - this is fantastic.
 
Oct 30, 2017
2,536
Canada
They keep name-dropping Kord Industries. I really wish DC would just let them bring in Blue Beetle.

Have next season be Booster Gold coming back to see who the hell keeps messing with time
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,446
U.S.
They keep name-dropping Kord Industries. I really wish DC would just let them bring in Blue Beetle.

Have next season be Booster Gold coming back to see who the hell keeps messing with time
That''d be the perfect way to introduce Booster.

We were supposed to get a Jaime Reyes Blue Beetle TV show at one point.
 

BDS

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Oct 25, 2017
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Looks like Crisis is a massive five-part event, not sure what "2 quarters" means. Legends has been moved to midseason which means I'm not sure how they are integrated into this, but they're on the poster.
 

PlanetSmasher

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Oct 25, 2017
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Looks like Crisis is a massive five-part event, not sure what "2 quarters" means. Legends has been moved to midseason which means I'm not sure how they are integrated into this, but they're on the poster.
I think it means that the midseason break is going to happen midway through Crisis. Three parts before break, two parts after it. We’re gonna get cliffhanger’d. Probably Infinity War-style.