The Flash S5 |OT| The Bitchin' House of Ls

Keym · May 15, 2019

I thought the finale was great! And even if it wasn't a stellar season, it was still better than Arrow's for me.

Now, what I don't get is where the hell did Shecada get that Pym particle to time travel in the first place, and how the heck did Team Flash get the dagger in the future if Cicada was never caught in the original timeline.

Maximum Spider · May 15, 2019

I think the finale just reveals how poorly planned out the entire season was. You can see how they wanted everything to tie together. Oh well!

I never expected Nora to be erased for existence like that. I'm pretty surprised they went into that direction. I was totally expecting The Monitor to show up and tell Barry that he would save Nora if he did his bidding.

caliph95 · May 15, 2019

At least they explain Cicada was purposely made to suck by Thawne so he would be the lame chris Klein

Doesn't justify the time it took to beat him

BLOODED_hands · May 15, 2019

Vengeance said:
Thawne's cloning thing made no sense. If it was a speed mirage then it shouldn't be able to physically touch anybody yet it tripped Nora as they were running up/down the building. The one chasing Barry was the speed mirage while the one chasing Nora was the real one, which was the one who punched Barry. If it's a time remnant then it shouldn't have merged back together with Thawne afterwards. I guess it could be similar to what Godspeed did in the comics, but who knows.

Thawne seems to be operating in Doing-Whatever-I-Want Negative Speed Force. Things just don't apply to him because reasons.

raYne_07 · May 15, 2019

Vengeance said:
Thawne's cloning thing made no sense. If it was a speed mirage then it shouldn't be able to physically touch anybody yet it tripped Nora as they were running up/down the building. The one chasing Barry was the speed mirage while the one chasing Nora was the real one, which was the one who punched Barry. If it's a time remnant then it shouldn't have merged back together with Thawne afterwards. I guess it could be similar to what Godspeed did in the comics, but who knows.

Dont look too much into it. It's just something he's been doing since season 1. I just consider it a personal power like Nora's time rewind.

raYne_07 · May 15, 2019

caliph95 said:
At least they explain Cicada was purposely made to suck by Thawne so he would be the lame chris Klein

Doesn't justify the time it took to beat him

Said this during the season. They couldn't beat gen 1 Cicada and they couldn't beat Gracicada without Thawne.. I can't imagine what actual Cicada would do to Team Flash.

What I still want to know is where the fuck this team was during the season? They were firing on all cylinders verses Thawne. Tag team attacks all over like Doctor Strange/Spider-Man vs Thanos. You know, actually fighting as a team. Hell, Joe breaching Gracicada to Star Labs and trapping her was something that should've been tried long ago.

All this does is emphasize the shit writing and dumbing down of the team for plot reasons.

Keym · May 15, 2019

I also find it hilarious that they didn't even try to justify the dagger as the only means to dampen Thawne's power in the future.

ZeroX · May 15, 2019

Keym said:
I also find it hilarious that they didn't even try to justify the dagger as the only means to dampen Thawne's power in the future.

To be fair I think every other attempt at dampening Thawne's powers have been temporary? The dagger's been shown to be stronger than almost any other anti-meta tech. Even nanites courtesy of Ray Palmer didn't last that long.

BLOODED_hands · May 15, 2019

raYne_07 said:
Said this during the season. They couldn't beat gen 1 Cicada and they couldn't beat Gracicada without Thawne.. I can't imagine what actual Cicada would do to Team Flash.

What I still want to know is where the fuck this team was during the season? They were firing on all cylinders verses Thawne. Tag team attacks all over like Doctor Strange/Spider-Man vs Thanos. You know, actually fighting as a team. Hell, Joe breaching Gracicada to Star Labs and trapping her was something that should've been tried long ago.

All this does is emphasize the shit writing and dumbing down of the team for plot reasons.

Writers: Team..... Flash? What is this teamwork you're talking about?

PlanetSmasher · May 15, 2019

raYne_07 said:
Said this during the season. They couldn't beat gen 1 Cicada and they couldn't beat Gracicada without Thawne.. I can't imagine what actual Cicada would do to Team Flash.

What I still want to know is where the fuck this team was during the season? They were firing on all cylinders verses Thawne. Tag team attacks all over like Doctor Strange/Spider-Man vs Thanos. You know, actually fighting as a team. Hell, Joe breaching Gracicada to Star Labs and trapping her was something that should've been tried long ago.

All this does is emphasize the shit writing and dumbing down of the team for plot reasons.

This is basically what happens when Cisco puts effort in, really. The bulk of that teamwork's success was contingent on Cisco actually fucking trying for a change.

Daniel Westlake · May 15, 2019

The next panel there at someone should say Chris Klein's face was the best part of this season which feels like the most Savage insult any human being could direct towards the staff of the television show

Lotus said:
How would people feel if Caitlin left

That would hurt more than Cisco tbh. It's been a tumultuous time with the writers trying to figure out what to do with the KF situation but the character is in a good place. I kind of hate Barry though honestly.

selfawarekeyboard · May 15, 2019

Terrible season, great finale!

Was I the only one cheering when Reverse Flash escaped, killed the guards and then later schooled Nora and Flash in that fight with the speed mirage of himself, was so satisfying to see Barry get properly schooled by a true speed master :)

Question, Ralph looked up some file with a name, who was that?

BLOODED_hands · May 15, 2019

PlanetSmasher said:
This is basically what happens when Cisco puts effort in, really. The bulk of that teamwork's success was contingent on Cisco actually fucking trying for a change.

Everybody and their reaction speeds were turned up to ftl during last night's sequence against Thawne. Hard to believe but it is what it is lol.

Daniel Westlake · May 15, 2019

BLOODED_hands said:
Everybody and their reaction speeds were turned up to ftl during last night's sequence against Thawne. Hard to believe but it is what it is lol.

See that actually raise the terrifying spectre of Team flash isn't really incompetent they're just incredibly lazy.
Which is far worse.

raYne_07 · May 15, 2019

Daniel Westlake said:
See that actually raise the terrifying spectre of Team flash isn't really incompetent they're just incredibly lazy.
Which is far worse.

"Well, I could save all these people, but I don't want to. So, I'll just give up my powers instead."

Keym · May 15, 2019

ZeroX said:
To be fair I think every other attempt at dampening Thawne's powers have been temporary? The dagger's been shown to be stronger than almost any other anti-meta tech. Even nanites courtesy of Ray Palmer didn't last that long.

The meta cell in season 1 looked pretty effective, at least until Barry let him out anyway.

PlanetSmasher · May 15, 2019

raYne_07 said:
"Well, I could save all these people, but I don't want to. So, I'll just give up my powers instead."

The show treated Cisco getting cured as such a triumphant moment, but really it just feels like the actor being glad he's free from the show.

Maximum Spider · May 15, 2019

I honestly don't even understand Cisco's arc this season. There had to be a better way to write him off the show. Have him run away with Gypsy?

makonero · May 15, 2019

selfawarekeyboard said:
Terrible season, great finale!

Was I the only one cheering when Reverse Flash escaped, killed the guards and then later schooled Nora and Flash in that fight with the speed mirage of himself, was so satisfying to see Barry get properly schooled by a true speed master :)

Question, Ralph looked up some file with a name, who was that?

Dearborn, his wife's maiden name from the comics

PlanetSmasher · May 15, 2019

max.rem said:
I honestly don't even understand Cisco's arc this season. There had to be a better way to write him off the show. Have him run away with Gypsy?

Breacher recruits him to fight more vampires?

BLOODED_hands · May 15, 2019

They could have done something with Crisco where he thinks using his powers were good but then it turns out they weren't. Instead we are left with a Crisco who just doesn't want powers and the responsibilities of having powers. They could have pulled the usual thing where Crisco develops tech that dampens his own powers because they're far too dangerous, and he goes:

Why do you have those dampeners, Ramon?

To limit myself *omae wa moe...... shindeiru*

Skeeter49 · May 15, 2019

I actually thought this was the Flash's strongest finale, besides S1's obviously.

Flash usually has shit finales.

SamAlbro · May 15, 2019

The list of heroes present for Flash vanishing changed:

Before: Green Arrow, Hawkgirl and the Atom

After: Green Arrow, White Canary, Supergirl, Batwoman, and "a slew of other Legendary heroes"

BDS · May 15, 2019

I know there's going to be a lot going on during Crisis but I think it would be really sweet if the collapse of reality allows Nora to return one more time and help save her dad as she always wanted.

Razgriz-Specter · May 15, 2019

raYne_07 said:
"Well, I could save all these people, but I don't want to. So, I'll just give up my powers instead."

At least Rogue in X-Men had a good reason and it was still stupid regardless

Kronotech · May 15, 2019

Bummer of a season finally took its last breath. These writers, I swear... Among other things, they had a perfect way to get rid of Vibe that makes sense. Him using his powers was hurting him, making his nose bleed, etc. They should have stuck with that, which would be a more logical (lol Flash logic) to stop using his powers as opposed to taking the cure. Also:

Crisco: Well guys, I guess I'm moving on. My powers are gone.
Team Flash: But...you're still smart. You've literally been the reason we've overcome so many obstacles in the past before Vibe.
Crisco: What? Sorry guys, can't hear ya! Bad connection.
Team Flash: Crisco, we're standing right next to you.
Crisco: Gotta go film Jay and Silent Bob Reboot. Byyyyyyye

Slayven · May 15, 2019

BLOODED_hands said:
They could have done something with Crisco where he thinks using his powers were good but then it turns out they weren't. Instead we are left with a Crisco who just doesn't want powers and the responsibilities of having powers. They could have pulled the usual thing where Crisco develops tech that dampens his own powers because they're far too dangerous, and he goes:

Why do you have those dampeners, Ramon?

To limit myself *omae wa moe...... shindeiru*

I don't get why he felt he need to get rid of the powers. Not like he was using them.

sketch_turntable · May 16, 2019

Really bummed to be losing Jessica Parker Kennedy. She was great as Nora.

Skeeter49 · May 16, 2019

I assume will see Nora again. Through some time fuckery

Lotus · May 16, 2019

Kronotech said:
Bummer of a season finally took its last breath. These writers, I swear... Among other things, they had a perfect way to get rid of Vibe that makes sense. Him using his powers was hurting him, making his nose bleed, etc. They should have stuck with that, which would be a more logical (lol Flash logic) to stop using his powers as opposed to taking the cure. Also:

Not to mention dude always seemed to not enjoy those Vibe headaches he gets.

sketch_turntable said:
Really bummed to be losing Jessica Parker Kennedy. She was great as Nora.

Yea I actually miss her

ZeroX · May 16, 2019

SamAlbro said:
The list of heroes present for Flash vanishing changed:

Before: Green Arrow, Hawkgirl and the Atom

After: Green Arrow, White Canary, Supergirl, Batwoman, and "a slew of other Legendary heroes"

It's nice to confirm Legends and Batwoman

raYne_07 · May 16, 2019

Skeeter49 said:
I assume will see Nora again. Through some time fuckery

Bring her back as Thawne's apprentice/sidekick/adopted daughter with no memory of Team Flash.

BLOODED_hands · May 16, 2019

She's going to come back as an evil Speedster ala Daniel West or as Impulse. I'm sure Slayven would enjoy that lol.

Slayven said:
I don't get why he felt he need to get rid of the powers. Not like he was using them.

Dude just wasn't about that life, I guess. Doesn't necessarily mean he needs to get rid of his powers but still..... Better to have his powers in case of an emergency instead of basic human technology and shit.

There's bound to be some kind of fuckery going on with the cure and it only hibernates the gene instead of fully killing it.

Sandfox · May 16, 2019

Cisco wasn't all that enjoyable this season, so I wouldn't miss him.

Sanctuary · May 16, 2019

I will never understand how timelines work on this show. Somehow a speedster's legacy is untouched, even if they end up never existing. Also don't understand why Cisco gave up his powers. Just to prove a point? Did he not have enough will to simply not use them, or were his vibes uncontrollable at times? Seems to me more like a budget issue, or simply not wanting to use "Vibe" on the field in any future episodes more than anything.

Lotus · May 16, 2019

I love that meme

ZeroX · May 16, 2019

Barry kind of forgot to get Iris pregnant

Vito · May 16, 2019

SamAlbro said:
The list of heroes present for Flash vanishing changed:

Before: Green Arrow, Hawkgirl and the Atom

After: Green Arrow, White Canary, Supergirl, Batwoman, and "a slew of other Legendary heroes"

Looks like Batwoman is getting picked up.

Deleted member 34881 · May 16, 2019

At least we get more Ralph. Hopefully he has a part of the next crossover. I wonder how much they had to change for this season because if I remember correctly wasn't Wally supposed to be in two more episodes after the first episode? I remember them saying that and I know the actor was busy and all.

The Hobo · May 16, 2019

BLOODED_hands said:
There's bound to be some kind of fuckery going on with the cure and it only hibernates the gene instead of fully killing it.

From what we know, the cure doesn't affect the meta gene itself. Rather it negates the dark matter that powers the gene. So Cisco should be able to restore his powers via exposure to dark matter if he needs to.

milamber182 · May 16, 2019

SamAlbro said:
The list of heroes present for Flash vanishing changed:

Before: Green Arrow, Hawkgirl and the Atom

After: Green Arrow, White Canary, Supergirl, Batwoman, and "a slew of other Legendary heroes"

I guess Black Lightning is never crossing over then.

ZeroX · May 16, 2019

Vito said:
Looks like Batwoman is getting picked up.

Yeah it got picked up like two weeks ago

Entryhazard · May 16, 2019

I liked Nora I want her back

The Hobo · May 16, 2019

They should pull a Wells and bring in a Nora from a different Earth each season.

raYne_07 · May 16, 2019

milamber182 said:
I guess Black Lightning is never crossing over then.

It's for the best.. Crisis would be over in one episode.

blueredandgold · May 16, 2019

I'm gonna binge the back half when I get a chance but ohhhhh this thread showing positivity while the GoT threads are sounding like this one did for so long has me tickled.

Keym · May 16, 2019

blueredandgold said:
I'm gonna binge the back half when I get a chance but ohhhhh this thread showing positivity while the GoT threads are sounding like this one did for so long has me tickled.

It's mostly thanks to Thawne (the true hero of the show).

SamAlbro · May 16, 2019

raYne_07 said:
It's for the best.. Crisis would be over in one episode.

It took Jeff something like 30 years to take down Tobias.

raYne_07 · May 16, 2019

blueredandgold said:
I'm gonna binge the back half when I get a chance but ohhhhh this thread showing positivity while the GoT threads are sounding like this one did for so long has me tickled.

Keym said:
It's mostly thanks to Thawne (the true hero of the show).

This basically.

People are still running on the finale being good/great compared to the rest of the season. As a matter a fact, you can skip the rest of the season and go straight to the last ep. It'll save you much pain...

SamAlbro said:
It took Jeff something like 30 years to take down Tobias.

Now put Tobias in Central City and see how many harpoons Team Flash take while never stopping him. Ever.

..and to be fair, he didn't know he was still around and couldn't find him for much of that time.

Keym · May 16, 2019

raYne_07 said:
As a matter a fact, you can skip the rest of the season and go straight to the last ep. It'll save you much pain...

There's still some okay stuff in there. The time rewind episode, when Barry finds out about Nora's secret and the Rouges were fine overall. But yeah, you could skip most of it and just watch every Thawne scene before the finale.

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