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The Good Place S3 |OT| Stick a Fork In It We're Ready - Thursdays 9:30/8:30c
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Valuing civility and nicety over meaningful progress is extremely modern democrat.
The podcast called it out as much too.
I think they've used the line before but possibly only in the extended versions. It's a great line and more pertinent now than it was then, so it makes sense that they wanted to get it in the 'official' releases.
Once again the Eleanor and Chidi love story proves to be one of the most forced and awkward relationships ever shown on thelevision.
Eleanor being one of the most underwritten personalities doesn't help either. Rewatching her on s01e01, s02 and now just shows how lazy they've been with her character development.
Not to mention how most episodes have just been having the main cast stand in a line in empty rooms for two seasons.
They should make this the Michael and Janet show. They are the only interesting characters on it, and the only ones with whom they actually try to be creative.
The world building is still strong and where most of the show shines but the protagonists are bland and their relationships utterly underdeveloped and unbelievable, the jokes unfunny and the camerawork and staging is often as lazy as a sitcom's. I'm starting to hate this show.
S1E1 was never surpassed.
Thank god 99 was picked up again.
Eleanor being one of the most underwritten personalities doesn't help either. Rewatching her on s01e01, s02 and now just shows how lazy they've been with her character development.
Not to mention how most episodes have just been having the main cast stand in a line in empty rooms for two seasons.
They should make this the Michael and Janet show. They are the only interesting characters on it, and the only ones with whom they actually try to be creative.
The world building is still strong and where most of the show shines but the protagonists are bland and their relationships utterly underdeveloped and unbelievable, the jokes unfunny and the camerawork and staging is often as lazy as a sitcom's. I'm starting to hate this show.
S1E1 was never surpassed.
Thank god 99 was picked up again.
That shouldn't matter. It's still his intent to do good for the sake of a reward. That's why none of Tahani's accomplishments mattered. She was doing it FOR something, not because it was the right thing to do.
I did find it pretty clever the point system's flaw is because it's nearly impossible to not benefit from someone's misery past a certain cap in history. Kinda lends to how bad we are today at punishing corporations for underhanded tactics and poor conditions for workers because it'd be inconvenient but still perceive ourselves as good people.
jeez it must suck being forced to watch something you dislike so much. i hope your captors release you soon
He's in the Bad Place, they're forcing him to watch the show over and over.
I am getting a little bored with the whole 'stuck in one place for an episode then portaling out' formula, but the writing is consistently making me laugh so it's hard to be mad. I'm hoping they're working toward a conclusion with Season 4 though.
hey, different strokes. and like you said, at least we've got BK99 back, so you can get your Mike Schur fix a half an hour earlier
Just watched the episode. I do agree with Francesco that Eleanor's character is somehow the least complex of everyone in the group, but Kristen Bell buoys that by just being so damn good at what she does.
Overall, really loved the episode, and glad the plot is just continuing to keep moving at the pace it needs to.
Overall, really loved the episode, and glad the plot is just continuing to keep moving at the pace it needs to.
I'm not sure I'm in love with the anticapitalist take on what the point system implies, honestly. The whole thread there was that the people making those point value decisions are wrong. That there may or may not be ethical consumption under capitalism, but it's wrong to condemn people for participating in the systems as they exist. There's definitely a jab at capitalism in there, but it's made murky by the show-specific stuff going on.
Isn't that the exact point that the show is trying to make? That the points system has become outdated for the complexity of the system we live in?
Yeah, that's the show's point - but that makes the takes emphasizing the anticapitalist nature of the episode sort of an overstatement. All I was getting at.
Very down with the anti capitalism implications. Will be curious to see if they lean into that or if they go with the broader "the dang world just got too complicated"
The thing about Doug Forcett doesn't bother me. Unless I'm forgetting something, he's not explicitly doing it for the reward of the afterlife, he's doing it because it's the way he thinks the universe is supposed to work. By that metric, nobody who
follows any religion would make it into their respective afterlife.
Biggest plot hole for me right now is Mindy St Clair.
The thing about Doug Forcett doesn't bother me. Unless I'm forgetting something, he's not explicitly doing it for the reward of the afterlife, he's doing it because it's the way he thinks the universe is supposed to work. By that metric, nobody who
follows any religion would make it into their respective afterlife.
Biggest plot hole for me right now is Mindy St Clair.
I liked it from the start, but Episode 7 was the one that got me thinking that this was something pretty special. That said, I thought the end of episode 3 should at least have left you curious about where everything's going!
Episode 4 was where it clicked for me. If that still doesn't do anything for you, the show might just not be for you.
Mindys plan apparently would have corrected enough of the worlds brokenness to make up for a lot of stuff. Perhaps her plan would have fixed enough of the systems that create so many knock-on effects and unintended consequences.
I feel like they have to go with the broader heading. 600 years ago meant the world was still pretty firmly pre-capitalist, as it's mostly understood. The bigger problem being that people are too interconnected to judge any given individual by all their downstream effects is more in keeping with how it was presented, too.
It honestly feels like a huge renege to me. You can rationalize it a dozen different ways but it was still a large shift in the show's plot without much if any foreshadowing.
Yeah and Lincoln's motivation for fighting the Civil War might be a tad dubious under Good Place rules, given he was doing it to preserve the Union first and foremost, with emancipation a secondary concern.
I think it works best if you just ignore it and assume Michael was lying to Eleanor.
I think it works best if you just ignore it and assume Michael was lying to Eleanor.
This would be akin to "there's no such thing as a selfless good deed, because it makes you feel good so it's selfish"
I feel like early on it can be explained away as a part of his lies, but also it seems he was being lied to
Pretty much. Nothing said by Michael in season 1 should be taken as empirically true, since half the point of his explanations was to gaslight the gang.
But it's likely that his own knowledge of the point system and internal Good Place/Bad Place politics is also fundamentally flawed.
No, it's more akin to "I'm doing the right thing because I'm legally required to." As far as Doug is concerned, he doesn't have a choice. Once he gets into the good place, his incentive to do good is gone.
Jason is my biggest problem with the show. Everything about the character is so lazy.
Eh... The 2nd Season made an effort to show that nothing Michael said about how the afterlife works was a lie, though. There was no reason to lie about Lincoln getting in, especially since he was the sole example of a Good Place inductee until this season.
Having had a think on it, Michael might actually think Lincoln did indeed go to the Good Place, since he had no clue no one had gotten in for 500 years. The Bad Place may be lying to its own people in order to stop them questioning how the system benefits them.
Jason is definitely my least favorite of the group. Not saying he has to become a genius overtime or anything but the whole "being an idiot just to be an idiot" thing got old fast.
Michael probably guessed about Lincoln, but I don't see why the Bad Place would have any reason to hide that, or at least for any moral reasons. Maybe just to keep it quiet so the Good Place never catches on, but definitely not for moral reasons. Michael's defection seems like a first for them.
As much as I love this show, i have to agree with you. I feel like at one point Jason's stupidity almost translated into a form of direct emotional honesty. Where on some level the rest of the cast was hiding their personalities behind some pretense or defense mechanism, Jason kind of knew exactly what he wanted and what he was. This made him a good foil, but as with most shows character traits get exaggerated and now he is mostly just a joke.
I do wish they would just let him stay together with Janet at this point. It would actually be fun to see what their relationship would look like after all this time.
I think you all trust the good place a little too thoroughly. I think the characters in the show do too though. I await the heel turn of the actual good place
The bad place loves who let the dogs out so they are truly the good place
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