It's just some listers' preference, nothing really idiotic about that.
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The Guardian's Top 50 Video Games of the 21st Century
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Some of the many games that didn't make the list:
F-Zero GX
Half Minute Hero
Ikaruga
Pikmin 1/2/3
Xenoblade
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue 1/2
Soul Calibur 2
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Mario Galaxy 1/2
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Metroid Prime 1/2/3
Star Wars : Rogue Leader
Prince of Persia : Sands of Time
Devil May Cry
Bayonetta 1/2
Final Fantasy 12
Psychonauts
Order of Ecclesia
Ghost Trick
Phoenix Wright : Ace Attorney
Bowser's Inside Story
Radiant Historia
Not that impressed
F-Zero GX
Half Minute Hero
Ikaruga
Pikmin 1/2/3
Xenoblade
Jet Set Radio
Shenmue 1/2
Soul Calibur 2
Marvel vs Capcom 2
Mario Galaxy 1/2
Paper Mario: The Thousand-Year Door
Metroid Prime 1/2/3
Star Wars : Rogue Leader
Prince of Persia : Sands of Time
Devil May Cry
Bayonetta 1/2
Final Fantasy 12
Psychonauts
Order of Ecclesia
Ghost Trick
Phoenix Wright : Ace Attorney
Bowser's Inside Story
Radiant Historia
Not that impressed
I'm a Valve megafan but it's weird to see Half Life 2 place above some of this other stuff. I don't feel it stands up as well today as some of its lower peers on the list.
Even amongst valve's own stuff, Portal 2 or even Portal itself being lower feels really inappropriate.
GTA 4's place also seems inappropriate.
Otherwise, I can't much complain. They picked a lot of very nice games, even if many of them aren't to my tastes.
Even amongst valve's own stuff, Portal 2 or even Portal itself being lower feels really inappropriate.
GTA 4's place also seems inappropriate.
Otherwise, I can't much complain. They picked a lot of very nice games, even if many of them aren't to my tastes.
The overrating of TW3 and BOTW continues.
Ass Creed 2 over Overwatch is an interesting choice. Ass Creed is the McDonalds of video games.
Ass Creed 2 over Overwatch is an interesting choice. Ass Creed is the McDonalds of video games.
Oh! Oh! Me me me! I know.
Cool fuckin game.
I could also nitpick about the lack of Zero Escape 1 or 2, and any hint of Danganronpa, but that would make me some sort of unreasonably optimistic weirdo. We both know that handheld games aren't real games.
We can fuss all we like about the placements, like we might for any list, but what jumps out at me is the blandness and the absence of a truly individual voice. This is an exercise in ticking boxes and, like so many of the 21st-century retrospectives The Guardian has run so far, reads like its intended audience are people who don't really follow the medium.
This is exactly the sort of introductory list one would put together for those who don't play games: broad out of obligation and afraid to be iconoclastic. Its only purpose for specialists is to give us yet another triviality to bicker about, as though the ranks and numbers mattered.
This is exactly the sort of introductory list one would put together for those who don't play games: broad out of obligation and afraid to be iconoclastic. Its only purpose for specialists is to give us yet another triviality to bicker about, as though the ranks and numbers mattered.
There's an argument to be made for VC and SA, absolutely. But a mention of GTAIV certainly isn't idiotic. In terms of faithful and lifelike representations of cities in video games, IV's New York / Liberty City was a quantum leap. It seemed like witchcraft on those consoles in that time, to me at least and to many others as well I'm sure.
Yeah, bloated and archaic.
Eh, what? BotW's open "go/climb/do whatever" world and its systemic, intertwining design had little to no influence? You can already see it in games like Assassin's Creed Odyssey, Far Cry 5 or Death Stranding and you can be 100% sure that upcoming games like Horizon 2 and Gods & Monsters are going to be affected by it as well. It's absolutely one of the most influential game of the past decade.
Same goes with The Witcher's world, story and quest design.
That's one bad list.
Dude Odyssey is just a continuation of what Origins did and Death Stranding was in development before BoTW even released, not to mention there were already games before it that did the go anywhere.
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Looks like its 2 people's opinion. The other lists were more of a consensus of an entire group, but I guess The Guardian don't place much emphasis on gaming.
When not considering ordering it's a decent list, with it's main issue being a lack of CRPGs and favoring influential games at times while randomly sprinkling in indie titles and new big AAA releases that feel off compared to the rest of the list(looking at RDR2 here especially).
Dark Souls has such an atrocious second half it in no way belongs on in a top 10 here, if you want to prop up a game for influence from that series give it to Demon's Souls.
Dark Souls has such an atrocious second half it in no way belongs on in a top 10 here, if you want to prop up a game for influence from that series give it to Demon's Souls.
It's not a bad list.
Obviously we all think certain omissions are crazy. For some reason, I find the lack of Stardew Valley one of the biggest crimes.
Obviously we all think certain omissions are crazy. For some reason, I find the lack of Stardew Valley one of the biggest crimes.
This list does deserve credit for not only putting Ico on there but it rightly being above SOTC. That it's below the cowardly TLOU almost makes me want to revoke any praise there but then again they did put MM above it, plus putting TLOU that low in general is a big plus in my book.
Wasn't Blockland the first of these games? Or at least it came before those I'm sure.
Of course it was hyperbole. I wouldn't have any problems with GTA4 if SA or VC were mentioned. The lack of them instead of 4 is what made me say that.
I feel like a lot of games don't even get considered or recognised for lists like these.
Case in point, Super Mario Odyssey at number 14, yet Astro Bot Rescue Mission isn't even in the list.
Case in point, Super Mario Odyssey at number 14, yet Astro Bot Rescue Mission isn't even in the list.
MGSV that high is weird. If you want a stealth game then put Hitman (2016) there and if you want to put a MGS game I don't think that's the one.
Aside from that I guess it's a decent summary of the games of the last 20 years. Probably would've put Braid and Gone Home there.
The order is whatever. Minecraft is a good first choice. I wouldn't put Witcher 3 that high but people like different things.
EDIT: Oh yeah, no League of Legends or a MOBA? Weird. Definitely a better game than something like Uncharted.
Aside from that I guess it's a decent summary of the games of the last 20 years. Probably would've put Braid and Gone Home there.
The order is whatever. Minecraft is a good first choice. I wouldn't put Witcher 3 that high but people like different things.
EDIT: Oh yeah, no League of Legends or a MOBA? Weird. Definitely a better game than something like Uncharted.
KH1 would be the correct entry as it's the better game, and the only one to properly mix the original elements with the FF&Disney ones.
Overwatch is basically a shooter MOBA but it has floundered it's potential so far whereas a decade later LoL is still going strong, both as a game and as an eSport. Any top 50 games of this century list should include it.
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I would put DOTA 2 over LoL if they were going to put on a MOBA. Or hell, original DOTA if they were being real about this list.
Yeah, Lol and Dota are extremely well designed games. Their longevity also shows it. It's a strange omission.
