I must be missing something. This is the post I saw you reply to:
Which is sarcastically saying the same thing I'm saying.
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The guy who made "Blade Gunner" in Dreams has gotten a job offer from a European game developer
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I must be missing something. This is the post I saw you reply to:
Which is sarcastically saying the same thing I'm saying.
His work in Dreams definitely not wasted.
Getting a job definitely better than still being unemployed.
Getting a job definitely better than still being unemployed.
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Yeah as it's been said it's not always about looking for a job or anything.
Speaking for myself, the goal is to show i can create games with a unique universe etc.. So it can help me finding help to do more of them.
Just being able to say i created some games, and characters and music and a story that people could experience is a huge achievement for me.
Speaking for myself, the goal is to show i can create games with a unique universe etc.. So it can help me finding help to do more of them.
Just being able to say i created some games, and characters and music and a story that people could experience is a huge achievement for me.
Some overly defensive programmers ITT, making a game is way more than programming, that's the easy part. It's about shipping a product and that's hard af.
What is with this thinking?
I would love to sink hours into this game if I had the time, just to simply create and experiment. But I don't have the slightest intention of joining the videogame industry. Some people just want to create shit.
In addition, how do you know that Dreams won't act as a gateway to game design and programming for a lot of young minds? Maybe this tool isn't directly applicable to real world development environments, but it may spark an interest in the minds of many people to look into the field and legitimately study it. Before I got into animation, I poured hours and hours into Nickelodeon 3D Movie Maker on my shitty Compaq PC. Basic, archaic and limited yes, but for me it filled a craving of filmmaking I didn't know I had when I was 8/9, and pushed me to look more into storytelling and eventually study animation before joining the industry itself.
There are way more jobs than simply programming. Maybe they liked his modeling or his level design. The latter requires a bit of programming knowledge but can likely be learned on the job.
Leave it to resetera to take this cool news and use it to take shots at the guys' work
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Jimmyjules153
I work in the tech industry and love programming, now surfing and creating the dreamiverse with my artistic bff and partner in crime. I also do some logic tutorials: YT - JimmyJules153
That reads to me as "This person got a job because of Dreams so anyone can!" That's what I was replying to and disagreeing with. You spun it out into a whole different argument. I don't really agree with your interpretation at all, but c'est la vie.
Edit: furthermore someone above pointed out that the person works in the tech industry which is probably a much bigger reason. Not saying Dreams had nothing to do with.
It kinda just is a more jank version of Resogun, running at ~30FPS. I'm not sure why you would offer someone a job just on the basis of Blade Gunner, given that creating a carbon copy of someone else's game isn't exactly a showcase for design talent. I presume his resume is more substantial than just his Dreams projects though.
Not sure why people are suggesting no one could get a game dev job without knowing how to program; many game development jobs don't require programming knowledge
yes...this is not 'modeling work'.......just 'sequencing'.....yes...
As someone who's put in loads of hours learning Unity and Gamemaker before discovering Dreams, I strongly disagree with pretty much everything you've said here.
If your motive is profit, then sure, maybe do a course or something and learn the professional-tier pc tools from the get-go. I'm not after a a career-change though - I make Dreams games in my spare time because it's a creative outlet that's fun!
If you are starting from zero and want to release a game that a decent number of people will play, it is simply far far easier to do so using Dreams compared to learning Blender/Unity/C#/Java and releasing on itch.io or something. They aren't even in the same ballpark.
whenever i see someone type like this I hate them for it, but it is still funny af. It's so condescending lmao.
Made from scratch by one person in... a week?
How much time and people Resogun had?
And he made the music too, using Dreams tools.
Feel like we need to keep a running count of people we know got a job in the industry from something they did in dreams. I heard about one before this in a different thread I believe. Does anyone have better information about job offers to people from their work in dreams?
Yes maybe they propose him something as a level designer or game designer...
Looks like this guy's looking to get hired for Final Fantasy XVI
professional designers are used to developing skills with custom tools that are largely untransferable to work at other studios
huh, weird flash of guilt there
huh, weird flash of guilt there
I don't think anyone is writing off, but maybe trying to conclude where this fits into game development. It illustrates a firm grasp of logic, but not programming, or art, or design (almost all elements inspired or based on Resogun).
I think people are more asking "why" rather than trying to downplay the efforts of the creator.
To all the people here saying it's just a resogun clone: this isn't Jimmy's only game creation. And most importantly he is also making tutorials for dreams since the beta and has been one of the most helpful persons in the community because he can explain complex topics in a easy to follow way. and let's not forget that all these tutorial videos from him are done on a topic he was also just learning at the same time.
what i am saying is: the dude has far more skill then simply "cloning" an existing game idea
what i am saying is: the dude has far more skill then simply "cloning" an existing game idea
Yes.
MM also mentioned that they've been contacted by people who used levels they made in LBP in their CV to enter the industry. It was some guy an Insomniac, I think.
For the same reason concept artists still do studies from time to time...learning. Learning to improve or learning something new is never wasted time. In this case, learning how to program and work logic for games, level design, prototyping and so on... got this person a job in the industry. If you are passionate about something, money should be the last thing you think about... especially if you are to do that job until you retire.
You must really not know anything about dreams to say half of this lmao. You're gonna have to break it down how most programming concepts don't apply to dreams. Also, learning other tools like GML, Unity, etc won't teach you how to do design docs either
Not really, why do any hobby? Capitalism got some of yall fucked up.
That's not. 🤔😐
You don't need compensation when you are passionate about something. Getting recognition from people you admire is plenty. Let people do what they love.
Designer here. We don't actually program. We use tools very similar to what Dreams has. Visual scripting, Maya, etc.
I would definitely interview someone who showed high competence in Dreams for a designer position.
and there is the problem with Dreams, seems like most of it is stuff that already exists but in a badder version...this time it is a badder Resogun
nice for him to get a job offering but that won´t be the norm at all
nice for him to get a job offering but that won´t be the norm at all
This is great news for them, not to surprised by some of the comments on here. I am going to pick this up to just play some of the cool stuff I'm seeing
I guess he got hired for his graphical skills not gameplay design.
Making stuff is fun! I make games for a job but always enjoyed tinkering with game making tools. I still do. The hours I spent making maps in Amiga Worms and 3D Construction Kit all contributed to my skills today. I'm happy to see that people can get such visibility with their work now.
Mods and maps and custom content for games has always been a major component in games recruitment.
I just wish that Sony would open up a Dreams Arcade Plattform, so the games can be played and bought by non-Dreams owners.
Good for him.. I did try it out when I bought dreams but wasn't a fan, mainly because it's a janky resogun which I also own.
Still very impressive and doubt I'd be able to create anything as good.
Some of the comments in this thread though lol.
People do things for fun, to learn, just cause. It's an artistic and expressive outlet. And sometimes something like this can happen.
Still very impressive and doubt I'd be able to create anything as good.
Some of the comments in this thread though lol.
People do things for fun, to learn, just cause. It's an artistic and expressive outlet. And sometimes something like this can happen.
A very good point that is unfortunately being vastly overlooked.
They could definitely do so, all of the more memey games that use copyrighted IP aside, there are games that could sell on places like Steam for 5 bucks like The Pilgrim.
Exactly. It's baffling to see. Maybe it's a defense mechanism to make them feel good about themselves.
As long as he did some side work for Ryu Ga Gotoku too - sick of never seeing any of the delicious looking dishes the protag eats in the Yakuza series.
This game brings out the absolute worst in some people. They can't just let people have fun creating things without shitting all over it. It's absurd.
Such a cool story. Modders and community creators can bring so much creative energy with their projects. CD Projekt did the same with hiring modders who worked on The Witcher 1 and The Witcher 2 mods. There was also a story about a guy who made Falskaar mod for Skyrim and was later hired by Bungie.