Hakoden, Shoryuken, Sonic Boom...I can do all the basic stuff easy.
But double Hadoken motion for super move? Forget about it!
But double Hadoken motion for super move? Forget about it!
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The Hadouken input: Do you struggle with it? Let's help.
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How do you do quarter or half circle moves. Do you use the tip of your thump or the middle/bottom part (I don't know the correct English word for that ;)
I swear reading combo inputs are another language. Its like reading music notes or a foreign alphabet.
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out of those two options, I'd say I probably use the tip, or upper part. Depends if it's a dpad or an analog stick though I suppose.
I might make a thread on this. Dunno if there's enough interest in it though.
Not with Hadouken but I do have some problems with the Shoryuken motion.
However the hardest for me now is the double half circle motion, I just can't pull it off anymore. Which sucks as Shin Akuma's Misogi is one of my favourite moves which I just can't pull off.
However the hardest for me now is the double half circle motion, I just can't pull it off anymore. Which sucks as Shin Akuma's Misogi is one of my favourite moves which I just can't pull off.
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Is it so damn hard to just say QCF, HCB, F, D, B, UP, etc. Instead I have to look at my damn keyboard every time I see a combo string with numbers mentioned.
And this is one of the big problems: you have described it wrong. Try doing what you described in SF2 and it wont work. You have to press the punch at the same time as forward, not afterwards.
This is why so many people struggle with that move. What they are told and what you really have to do are different things.
But the biggest problem is the quality of the controller. Those control sticks and d-pads are very difficult to use with the fighting game moves. You end up overdoing the circle and jumping up. Even charge moves are hard on the d-pad because you inadvertently press up or down when trying a horizontal charge move.
If noobs used fight sticks they would learn the moves very quickly. Even the dragon punch moves are fairly easy with them.
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You're right, I didn't mean it that way but I see how my wording could be interpreted there.
please describe how you would do raging storm without numpad notation.
must funny because I struggle the most with SRK motions on the hitbox. I think I have an issue holding down multiple buttons with one hand and let go of a few of them. I use a regular stick for SF and KOF and my Hitbox is dedicated to anime games. I think it may be more to do with how it reads inputs compared to BBTAG and UNIST
Am the only one that does Shoryuken motions as just Forward, Down, Forward? That's how I've been doing it all these years. Only trouble I've had is a couple KoF games where you have to cancel a DP motion into a super.
On stick, I find double quarter-circle motions (⬇️↘️➡️⬇️↘️➡️) of supers difficult to consistently pull off in matches. In my opinion, the double motions and 720s are some the earliest and perhaps biggest barrier-of-entry for newer Street Fighter players (control-wise) since they are often the key to landing big round winning damage. Unless I am totally off base, these motions may be the first single moves that really require substantial practice time to land.
Fighting EX Layer has a mode you pick called Progressive where all of the specials are done with a direction and then an attack button. Some specials are one direction then the other, as are many supers, but there aren't any "complicated" motions like in traditional FG inputs. you can also use classic mode for said traditional inputs, but nobody has an advantage or disadvantage to using either input they feel comfortable with.
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In my experience, it's because of the "throw" of the stick. I've had to mod each of mine so they hit the switches faster and return to neutral faster. No problems after that.
Arcades taught me at a young age to be certain you are holding the stick in the correct direction before committing to the button press afterwards. I feel like a lot of people that miss it initially try to do the input and release the stick too early.
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I know people always say that your controller doesn't matter, and of course like, if top players are using controllers clearly it kinda doesn't, but I really do believe that arcade sticks are easier. I played on controllers for a long time first, first with the analogue stick where I'd have trouble with inputs sometimes, then with the dpad where I could be much more consistent. When I bought my first arcade stick, people say, you have to relearn, its difficult to use, but immediately it was easier, and extremely intuitive. It just gives you more to work with, to get your inputs right.
Unrelated note but it also helped motivate to play more because it was just a lot more fun to use. While I get why people try to turn off new players from feeling like they should get a stick (they are expensive) I think maybe people go harder on that than they ought to, they make a difference in multiple ways, at least in my own experience.
The amount of Tekken players I know with who struggle with iSW until I tell them to hit the last input at the same time as the final direction is quite eye opening. Leniency has definitely created this input after direction habit.
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It's less that it doesn't matter, and more that you should use what you're most comfortable with. For some people that's a stick, for some a pad, etc. I do agree that people should experiment.
There's Fei Long's "chicken wing" and Sagat's original Tiger Knee motion, 12369. Most people would have an easier time with the traditional shoryuken motion.
I get that, but it doesn't seem too outlandish for a game to not make you jump if it detects a quarter circle in the same movement. I guess it would make it touchier to jump from a ducked position, though.
Watch the pre-fight animation (first one is at 33 seconds). That Z motion is what you want to copy when inputting a shoryuken command. It's best on a square gated joystick as you end the motion in the bottom corner of the square.
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The main advantage of numpad notation is that it's universal. You can read it no matter what language you speak since fighting games are enjoyed globally.
Killer instinct has Down then Up + attack for some characters instead of a classic shoryuken motion.
Sorry, wasn't trying to say anything about you. It was a response to people not having problems with qcf motions. It's popping up a lot where I can see, and I don't follow smash at all. I mean, we have threads every other week about how difficult inputs in fighting games are.
When I was first playing fighting games I had trouble figuring out what it meant and what I actually had to input to do it. When I figured out that QCF is just press down and then forwards quickly on a dpad/keyboard, I pretty much never had a problem with it again. DPs are a little trickier to do since sometimes the game can get confused and think you inputted a hadouken or a shinku hadouken if you try to do so while crouching but it's a still not a big deal IMO.
That being said I fucking hate doing 360/720 motions, especially on a d-pad.
That being said I fucking hate doing 360/720 motions, especially on a d-pad.
Start by doing a double fireball motion, then refine your technique from there.
Fun fact: 360s are really 270s
I had trouble with QCF when I was younger but these days I breeze through pretty much all commands.
I always had problem with those as a kid, but then after years of playing Tekken using just the Mishimas I could nail Shoryuken 30 times in a row today. Its basically a Crouch Dash.
Fun fact: The Amiga version of Street Fighter II used this for Ryu and Ken, because good luck doing a Shoryuken motion on anything other than possibly a TAC-2.
I can help here if you can do a Hadouken consistently then you can do a Shoryuken too. Its simple.
Tap forward followed immediately with however you do a Hadouken.
Its thay simple. Works consistently every time.
I've never used one but I think a hitbox would break me. I'm comfy rotating a good dpad with my thumb, having to press multiple buttons for a direction would be torture.
it was awkward at first too but i love it for anime fighters. Also helps that when i was a kid, i played KOF98 and 2002 on a keyboard for years. Games with a lot of double tapping work great for me on hitbox but stuff like shorthops and SF chains for the most part i have a lot of trouble with and switch back to regular stick. Def give it a shot though if you ever get the chance. you'd be surprised.
I don't have issues with shoryukens or hadokens. That said, I hate Reversed Shoryuken inputs. Whether they are natively a reverse Shoryuken input or (Even worse) a normal DP input that's often comboed after a move that re-positions your character on the opposite side of the other guy, I just don't like them. I'll generally tolerate them in SF-style fighting games, but throw me into an anime fighter and I'll find someone who just doesn't have to deal with that stuff.
