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The Hadouken input: Do you struggle with it? Let's help.
- Thread starter Jaded Alyx
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SNK's pretzel motions are the things that give me trouble these days, but I haven't had nearly as much practice at them.
Bring on KoF15.
Bring on KoF15.
just wanted to expand on this since i'm a man of culture who mainly uses grapplers
as long as you hit all 4 cardinal directions in one smooth motion (counting diagonals in some games) then the game will "accept" the 360 motion
example, going from left to down to right to up-right+punch
Except you have to stop on the diagonal. Go too far and you'll hadoken instead.
Yes, the motion is forward, down, down-foward + punch, but many modern games will accept it if you stop at forward, and it's typically easier for people who are having trouble doing the motion (the people this thread is aimed at) to do it that way if the game they're playing accepts it
Command and charge input aren't hard once you figure out the charge time and the correct motion of a DP.
What I struggle the most is Guile's Super Input. In practice I can do them but in a match I always end up doing the wrong thing
What I struggle the most is Guile's Super Input. In practice I can do them but in a match I always end up doing the wrong thing
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What controller are you using? There's not much difference between say, a down -> forward and a back -> forward.
What's happening with charge moves for you? Maybe you're not charging long enough?
Nah, that won't happen. Or at least it shouldn't in modern fighters.
I feel like QCF and the like aren't hard to learn once the concept is there.
Charging though? Now that's a pain in the ass. I can be about mid-tier for fighters, but I'm a newbie if I'm stuck with a heavy charge character. Outside like skull girls (which is how all charging should be imo)
Charging though? Now that's a pain in the ass. I can be about mid-tier for fighters, but I'm a newbie if I'm stuck with a heavy charge character. Outside like skull girls (which is how all charging should be imo)
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I've been maining charge characters since sf2 so I'm always curious when I see people struggle with them. What is it exactly? Figuring out buffer opportunities?
Not at all. There is a massive uphill battle to learn what to do after that.
I never had trouble with fireball or DP motions, until I recently (in terms of in-game hours at least) switched to a stick. I can get it right most of the time, but I have to keep the housing straight on my lap because even with the slightest tilt I do nothing but 369 or 123 motions. DPs are still hard in that it feels like you have to do it faster. On pad it's just a casual flick with your thumb, but on stick you have to move your entire hand. Lastly I'm still struggling converting a down-forward punch into DP, since I tend to "click" the stick into the down-forward slot, which is apparently too low to count as a forward motion.
I'm better at it now, but for a long time I had trouble buffering back/down while doing other attacks. For example Blanka's j.HK > st.HP > Rolling Attack (forward Blanka Ball). You need to hold back the moment you jump and keep holding it while you kick and punch. It's like your left and right hand are constantly out of sync.
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Guile's Sonic Boom:
- Hold back for 2 seconds.
- (Quickly) press forward and punch.
I think the problem is that I either used punch through the whole movement, or after i pressed forward
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dpads are recommended over analog sticks in general for fighting games because of their immediate input - they're either being activated or they're not - whereas an analog stick has degrees it has to move before activation occurs which can feel weird. But some people prefer analog sticks for motion inputs (especially 720s) because they like to roll the stick against the edge.
I still maintain to this day that people who can dash super with guile and deejay in sf4 are wizards.
Yeah, I can see that. I think if I were to try to start fresh and explain charge characters to someone completely new the way I would maybe try to tackle this is explaining something like: Buffering is your neutral now. Always look to get back there.
And when they look at me with a "the fuck is a neutral?", I'd go back to the drawing board, but I think that might be the fewest words to put it in.
The timing is definitely what gets me. I can definitely charge play, but it's really obvious that i'm getting a charge ready. Rather than being able to do it seamlessly.
The Shoryuken input has always given me more trouble than a Hadouken input, and charge moves are a thing I've never been able to reliably do, regardless of using d-pad, analog stick or fighting stick.
Don't even ask me to attempt a charge super move like this:
CHARGE BACK, FORWARD, BACK, FORWARD + THREE KICKS
Or a double 360 like Zangief, nope. Can never do those if you put a gun to my head.
Don't even ask me to attempt a charge super move like this:
CHARGE BACK, FORWARD, BACK, FORWARD + THREE KICKS
Or a double 360 like Zangief, nope. Can never do those if you put a gun to my head.
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Controversial opinion:
A sonic boom is easier to perform than a hadouken.
Why? Because it's literally just back-forward+punch. Only thing is you hold the back for 2 seconds before you press forward.
A sonic boom is easier to perform than a hadouken.
Why? Because it's literally just back-forward+punch. Only thing is you hold the back for 2 seconds before you press forward.
It's suppose to be obvious, that's the point. Charge moves usually have some positive to them that regular motions don't have because of this.
I can get that to a point, but you see higher level plat for Characters such as Boxer and Q and to me it doesn't come across as obvious. At least not similar to say Guile and his flash kick.
if you can stomach the dino crisis series, you can input a charge command
Fuck Hadoken! It's all about landing Zangief's SPD super while having his feet on the ground.
My favorite move ever is Jin and Heihachi's delayed EWGF or EWHF. It's the most satisfaction I get to extend a hard combo and hit's hard too.
Honorable Mentions:
Lee (3,3:4) (Punch Parry) and Paul (Demolition Man) Just Frames.
Akuma Raging Demon
Geese and Rock Raging Storm
I love hard shit.
My favorite move ever is Jin and Heihachi's delayed EWGF or EWHF. It's the most satisfaction I get to extend a hard combo and hit's hard too.
Honorable Mentions:
Lee (3,3:4) (Punch Parry) and Paul (Demolition Man) Just Frames.
Akuma Raging Demon
Geese and Rock Raging Storm
I love hard shit.
You should pretty much always be charging, unless you're moving forward.
It's less "are they charging something?" and more "oh god that chun-li is just sitting there, menacingly, and I don't know what they're gonna do".
probably cr.MP
ah yes, super guile fighter 4
It's less "are they charging something?" and more "oh god that chun-li is just sitting there, menacingly, and I don't know what they're gonna do".
probably cr.MP
ah yes, super guile fighter 4
Oh absolutely, i'm not even sure that can be considered controversial.
I struggle with the DP motion.
It either doesn't come out or it only register the QCF motion.
The true 50-50 mix up.
It either doesn't come out or it only register the QCF motion.
The true 50-50 mix up.
Keyboard is why I think I'd struggle, I've been PC gaming for decades and I still hate it as a controller. Even on a pad or stick quick switching between multiple buttons in general can throw me off, it's a major reason I'm bad at combos too. My brain just doesn't seem to cope and I hit things in the wrong order. I can hit rotations with my thumb all day compared to that.
The ol "could be anything" mixup.
If I don't know what's coming out next, how can you?
Using the c-stick for aerials is a good habit to get into. Being able to attack in on direction and move in another is really strong.
Weirdly enough since Smash Ultimate they turned C-Stick into a macro for the left stick+attack instead of its own input so it can mess with that movement.
Bit late to the party but no, the only inputs I have had difficulties with are 720s and delta motions (down back, down forward, down back, up forward).
As for shoryukens when younger I had major issues with them and many others still do but that's mainly because games often lie about what the input actually is and show like a "Z" which is wrong, especially if you're playing on pad, even the newest Guilty Gear from what we've seen from the gameplay demonstration has this problem
As for shoryukens when younger I had major issues with them and many others still do but that's mainly because games often lie about what the input actually is and show like a "Z" which is wrong, especially if you're playing on pad, even the newest Guilty Gear from what we've seen from the gameplay demonstration has this problem
Hey did you just draw that? Thats almost exactly how i imagined it. Pretty good!
How is using a hitbox cheating? Does it read your opponents' inputs for you and respond accordingly like AI?
(It occurs to me that you are being sarcastic. Like, look at your face!)
Altough it does make some motions pretty easy, it makes others difficult. I can't do 360s to save my life. Or the old Cammy 180s that go diagonal. Of course, I can barely do them on any controller...
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Well judging from a number of the responses in here, it seems a lot of people can do a fireball but struggle with charge inputs. I think it's another case of not knowing how to do it properly.
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For 360s, personally I've always done a full 360 without issue. Standing 720s is something I never bothered to learn, I could only do those if they're buffered/hidden behind another move.
I used to think pretzel motions in KOF were awful, because I only played SNK games here and there; didn't actively learn the pretzel until cvs1, and it was very easy to do.
I used to think pretzel motions in KOF were awful, because I only played SNK games here and there; didn't actively learn the pretzel until cvs1, and it was very easy to do.
Half circle then up+attack works too. Really easy on keyboard/hitbox.
I distinctly remember 12 year old me having this epiphany while perusing an SFA3 guide on gamefaqs.
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Most games, the shoryuken input has priority over the hadouken input so you might end up getting shoryuken when do dash/walk forward hadouken too quick.
Re: Charge inputs
The charge time is less than or exactly 60 frames usually, saying charge 2 seconds is inaccurate. Saying '1... 2' is one sec, mentally think '0... 1' if you know the feel of real second. Hopefully this helps anyone that feels charging is too long.
The input buffer in some games can be SO Shoryuken favoured that you can literally do forward, back, quarter circle forward and still get a DP.