I remember reading the early impressions at the old place and some guy was blowing smoke up our asses by saying the second Hobbit movie was just as good as LOTR movies. I was sooo excited. Imagine my disappointment.
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The Hobbit films look absolutely disgusting
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I was stunned at how bad this looked on the big screen. The T1000 looks better than this.
When I saw this in the theater my mind was fucking blown. It looks like something from 3DMark.
The Smaug segment of the second movie, all of it, was actually what convinced me to skip the third movie in theaters. I basically thought "If they can't even get this right, then all hope for anything is lost.".
After Rings, this adaptation really disappointed and put me off even wishing for another. The third was like watching a dream die slowly over the course of hours, the second was so pointless, and the first, for all the glimmers of goodness (bag end, misty mountains cold, bilbo's pity, up a tree and the eagle rescue), even those moments felt rushed and compromised in ways that they weren't in Rings, and they were sandwiched in the worst kind of nonsense like Azog and the Goblin Clown. That they were in many places profoundly ugly and not scored to the same heights of excellence rubbed salt into the wound. Haven't seen the EEs and I don't intend to.
For all PJ and crew achieved with Rings, the troublesome aspects were a warning and PJ has learned the opposite of restraint since then. The show going with new blood is a small blessing.
For all PJ and crew achieved with Rings, the troublesome aspects were a warning and PJ has learned the opposite of restraint since then. The show going with new blood is a small blessing.
RotK had this same problem creeping in but it didn't manage to ruin the movie. Best ones are Fellowship and The Two Towers.
Fun fact, the reason they CGed him onto the warg was because when filming him mounting a moving horse (which is what he was doing in the scene, the warg was to be put over the horse) he fell and broke a rib. They then had to CG his entire body movement in that shot since they didnt get any succesful footage.
The Smaug sequence once the Dwarves enter the mountain was terrible.
I'm talking just Bilbo's first encounter with Smaug. I thought it was done really, really well.
I specifically mentioned EVERYTHING to do with Smaug. That part actually bothered me more than the Scooby Doo nonsense later.
Im curious what about it did you dislike? Critics widely praised that section of the film.
What didn't you like about that first scene? It's got some good tension, a lot of the dialogue is right from the books, and Smaug looks fantastic.
I really want to watch it again now
An Irishman style Bilbo narration could tie it all together
The Hobbit movies were worse than the Star Wars prequels. At least the latter had an interesting setting and good concept design. The Hobbit movies have perhaps 4-5 good scenes spread over 3 movies, and that is it. The whole thing feels like a cheap cash-in where they somehow managed to get the original actors to star.
Think it was the tolkein edit that I quite liked when I watched.
Cut ut so much unnecessary bollocks
TBH, I didnt realise that there had been quite so many reworkings of the maligned films
Cut ut so much unnecessary bollocks
TBH, I didnt realise that there had been quite so many reworkings of the maligned films
I saw the first one at the cinema and the projector broke (!) 20 minutes before the end. So when a friend wanted to watch it I watched the majority of it again. Not worth it. I don't usually give up on movies but I got so bored during the second one I put it down and never picked it back up.
Tim off The Office, Richard Armitage, James Nesbitt, Aiden Turner: great bits of casting. The Misty Mountains song: great song. They also put Manu Bennett in it right around him being the main man in Arrow and turned him into the CGI abomination of a main orc villain. What the hell.
Tim off The Office, Richard Armitage, James Nesbitt, Aiden Turner: great bits of casting. The Misty Mountains song: great song. They also put Manu Bennett in it right around him being the main man in Arrow and turned him into the CGI abomination of a main orc villain. What the hell.
They're completely forgettable movies. I've seen them all a few times and for the life of me can't remember key parts. LOTR films on the otherhand i know inside out. Should of made the hobbit 1 movie IMO
Why are the marvel films the go to comparison for bad films? ;-)
Marvel films are at least competently made. The hobbit trilogy suffers from massive pacing issues, awful cgi, a fundamental misunderstanding of the source material and totally unnecessary links to the LotR trilogy.
I don't see how anyone could legitimately consider them the same quality wise, and I don't even like most Marvel films.
He's a big boy. He took the job. He didn't have to. He should have enough pull to say, if you want it done right, I need more time.
Studios will always push for deadlines but he shouldn't have taken the job.
He of all people should not how much pre production time is needed.
Eh, i like them alot, and the extended cuts even more. My only real gripes with them is the added love story and the big screentime for that ugly mayor assistant in the third film.
Weren't the studio threatening to pull out of New Zealand if he didn't do it? It would have tanked the fledgling industry, I can understand him feeling pressured to do it
I marathoned them all a couple of years ago and I enjoyed them more than single viewings. Flawed, but enjoyable none the less. That final battle is some bullshit though.
I enjoy the first 2 Hobbit films, I guess...
Although I do agree The Battle of Five Armies was, surprisingly, dull.
Although I do agree The Battle of Five Armies was, surprisingly, dull.
I still strongly maintain that the first Hobbit film is mostly fine. Certainly worse than the entire original trilogy, but still perfectly enjoyable...
The second and third movies are just...not good. Honestly, the only good part of the second one is Bilbo interacting with Smaug. In fact, Martin Freeman as Bilbo was great casting. Not enough to save the movies, but I still enjoy watching many of the Bilbo scenes because of him.
The third movie is an abomination. Just awful in almost every aspect. I suppose if I had to chose one good scene from the third, it would be Thorin's death? That at least was done relatively well.
The second and third movies are just...not good. Honestly, the only good part of the second one is Bilbo interacting with Smaug. In fact, Martin Freeman as Bilbo was great casting. Not enough to save the movies, but I still enjoy watching many of the Bilbo scenes because of him.
The third movie is an abomination. Just awful in almost every aspect. I suppose if I had to chose one good scene from the third, it would be Thorin's death? That at least was done relatively well.
Saw the first one at the cinema. Thought it was okay, 6/10 sort of movie, nothing special. I fell asleep half way through the second film and never even saw the third.
I'm pretty much at a point now where I want somebody to completely redo this film. I'm not a fan of reboots but the Hobbit so damn offensive it needs one. The same can be said of the Star Wars prequels. Just throw it all out and do it again properly.
I'm pretty much at a point now where I want somebody to completely redo this film. I'm not a fan of reboots but the Hobbit so damn offensive it needs one. The same can be said of the Star Wars prequels. Just throw it all out and do it again properly.
Absolutely agree. The Hobbit, though fun, is a very simple story. I don't think they really could've done much with it in the first place. It's just not the type of story people want to see on the big screen. LOTR has way more going for it.
This is so sad to watch. Everyone is so over-worked and stressed out. They danm near worked Peter Jackson to death. Fucking Warner Bros.
Such a difference from the Behind-The-Scenes stuff from the LotR movies where everyone is having a great time and went throught this amazing journey together.
Partly because in the actual books it doesn't even exist - Bilbo gets knocked out offscreen and wakes up when it's done. Also partly because they tried to turn a relatively small skirmish into a LotR style epic battle, which then makes no sense.The point where 12 dwarves charging from the gates suddenly makes a material difference to a battle involving thousands upon thousands of IRC's is ridiculous.
I mean, yeah the films look bad in many places, especially as the trilogy went on. It should have been 2 films as originally planned and most of the fluff/bullshit would not have made it into the final cut. But 'absolutely disgusting' is a major hyperbole.
The whole thing should have just been a charming little three hour adventure that felt and looked like Willow and other 80s fantasy films more than anything else.
I won't even watch the hobbit stuff, or even the lotr rewatches anymore, too much damn green screen and aging cgi
Was a fun event at the time tho
Maybe that new show will look good
Was a fun event at the time tho
Maybe that new show will look good
The studio didn't give anyone on the crew any time to prepare or plan. The fact they are even WATCHABLE is a miracle given how rushed they were.
This. Peter Jackson didn't want to do this movies (let alone three of them). The reason they used CG so much was because nothing was planned, so they basically did the movie as they went along (even the script was unfinished).
Cut PJ some slack.
He salvaged them as best he could, but he wasn't afforded the time or resources to "fix" the mess he was given. He never wanted them to be three movies either, but that was mandated, and thus he was forced to add in hours of new content outside of the book.
For Lord of the Rings, Jackson and his crew had nearly 2 years of pre-production to set the groundwork for the films. For The Hobbit movies, he literally was filming entire big set piece action scenes on the spot with incomplete scripts, no choreography or staging, and no plan whatsoever.
Jackson is a great filmmaker, but it's like those "10 second drawing" challenges. No matter how good you are, when you're rushed, it's going to get messy.
Disagree. The Hobbit is a kids story yes, but there are a lot of good scenes in there. It could have been a nice prelude to the LOTR, but they got greedy and The Hobbit was never meant to be a big 3 movie epic like LOTR. It would be a solid 2 and a half to 3 hr movie, at most.
It would have been neat to have a little backstory to why Bilbo is so different from other hobbits, and why Gandalf thinks so highly of hobbits. It would have added to all the scenes with Bilbo in LOTR.