I love how you keep going on about your concern of the working palestinian when it comes to going against BDS but that falls apart when you look at your previous post
Ah, look at that.
Downplaying Isreali atrocities, rationalizing it and pointing the finger at the oppressed and oh,is that contempt I taste?
What happened to all that concern to the working Palestinian?
When its not to denounce protests against crimes against humanity and trying to paint your self as a leftist, its easy to drop.
You are a concern troll, nothing more.
Can you tell the difference between the Palestinian people and the Palestinian leadership?
Let me help you:
Palestinian people -> just like any other people.
Palestinian leadership -> Violent dictatorship, corrupt, doesn't care about its' people.
Balad, the Israeli Arab party, which was founded and lead by Azmi Bishara and is part of the United List:
2006 - Azmi Bishara used his diplomatic passport to get into Syria in 2006 while Israel and Hizballah were at war and gave Hizballah coordinates for targets.
2008 - Said Nafa - Convicted in contact with an enemy agent.
2014 - Hanin Zoabi - Supports Hamas member who kidnapped and murdered 3 Israeli teenagers.
2017 - Basel Ghattas - Smuggled phones to terrorists in prison while using his Knesset member title to visit them.
Do you seriously think any Israeli party can partner with Balad?
Can you name a context not related to Israel in which you'd consider "too many people of the wrong ethnicity might get the right to vote" to be a legitimate and morally acceptable argument?
The West Bank and Gaza are where Israel is committing both Apartheid and genocide, which are really one and the same. Israel itself is a racist country akin to Jim Crow America (Separate but equal) that is pretty ugly in and of itself, but, well...
And lol at "the end of Israel". So, racist ethnostates are fine then?
Wow, supporting maintenance of an ethnostate.
Go on, try rationalizing it.
Oh, and don't mind trying to keep the your image of someone concerned about the average Palestinian, that was in shambles a long time ago.
There are over 5 million Palestinians in the West-Bank and the Gaza strip, there are 9 million Israelis. Do you know any country with its' right mind that will let a group the size of over 50% of its population to enter the country and get citizenship?
Just take a look at how a country like Germany acts after they let in 900,000 refugees in, a refugee population which is1% of Germany's population, not over 50% like in Israel's case. On top of that, Israel and the Palestinians are at war for 100 years, not exactly the same as taking random refugees in. What Israel is asked to do is equivalent to Germany taking in 45 million people, does that makes sense?
Can we get this detailed answer to each of those points? I'd be interested to read them.
Then why are there more than 700000 settlers? - The settlers are a pretty powerful pressure group backed by rich American Jews. They have a lot of political currency and they successfully get permission to build in specific intervals from almost every prime minister because of that, just like the very religious groups do the same so they don't have to work, go to the army or pay taxes. The Israeli election system is a pretty shitty system that allows small parties to extort the big parties. All of that also helped them get tax relief and crazy investment in infrastructure but at the same time, they are very close to Tel Aviv which attracts young Israelies without an extreme right-wing agenda. There are all types of settlers, some towns are totally normal with normal people who are trying to live their life at a high-quality place with good schools and low taxes, others are crazy fanatics who run illegally to the hills and build new settlements with tents and caravans, attack the Israeli army who tries to evacuate them by court order. Unfortunately, when these illegal settlements get big enough, the settlers counsel start backing them up and from there you get political pressure to make the settlement legal. It's a vicious cycle.
home demolitions - Under British law, when an act of terror against the country happens, it's allowed to demolish any building the commander of that area sees fit. Israeli law is based on British law because of the British mandate, so the Israelis demolished homes of terrorists who successfully killed Israelis as a means to prevent other terror acts. Homes of terrorists who only wounded people are not demolished, only homes of killers. There are discussion inside of Israel if it really helps, home demolitions even stopped in 2005 but resumed in 2014.
wars - That's a big question, why do wars exist? How far back do you want to go? 1920?
why is Gaza a concentration camp - Before 1967 Gaza was part of Egypt. In 1967, during the six-day war, Israel occupied the Sinai desert and the Gaza strip. In 1977 Israel and Egypt had signed a peace agreement, part of that agreement was that Israel will return the Sinai desert to Egypt but Egypt didn't want the Gaza strip, so the Gaza strip became some sort of an island stuck between Israel, Egypt and the sea under Israeli control. In 2005, Israel decided that if they will leave the Gaza strip cold turkey, remove all the settlements and army presents because they thought it will advance the chance of peace with the Palestinians and could act as a model for leaving the West bank. In the summer of 2005 Israel had left Gaza, no civilians or military present remain in Gaza. In January 2006, the Palestinians had their second election after the first election in 1996, Hamas won. In 2007, Hamas, which had a very big presence in Gaza, killed the PLO representatives in Gaza and took it over. Hamas reversed all agreements with Israel and Egypt including Oslo and forced a Sharia law in the Gaza strip while threating to attack Israel. As a response, Israel and Egypt started a siege on the Gaza strip and that's how it is ever since.
why do Israelis overwhelmingly think all those things are awesome - They don't. Some do think that these things are awesome, some think they are terrible, some have mixed opinions on them because, well, they are human beings with different opinions and stuff.
So you're saying all Arabs parties ever just happened to be unacceptable to Jewish parties on the issues, and it's totally possible for a new Arab party to form that Jewish parties would be willing to sit in a coalition with?
Because I personally think this is horse-shit and I have the entire history of the state of Israel to back me up.
And fucking hell, you're saying all Arab parties support terrorism?
So outside the fact that it's racist bullshit, even if a party wanted to they can't since supporting terrorism disqualify a party from running to the Knesset.
I haven't said that all Arab parties support terrorism, but unlike you, I know Israeli politics. If you would have known Israeli politics, you would know that because the bar of entry into the Knesset in the past 5 years has raised to 4 mandates (actually 3.9 which will allow a 3 mandate party in if a very rare statistical anomaly will happen), all the Arab parties have come together and formed one big party called "United Arab List ". Because Balad, which is a very extreme movement (details about them in earlier parts of this post), is part of the United Arab List, no other party will sit with them in the coalition. There are actually some parties that the Israeli left would gladly sit with, parties like Hadash.
So are you supporting economic sanctions against Israel to force a two state solution?
Because I kinda suspect you real issue here is with the economic sanctions part.
Also, the fact that there might be some solution that involve 2 states is not a good reason to keep denying millions of people basic human rights.
Anything that will work in order to force the two-state solution, I'm for. I just don't think that the BDS is effective, in order for a boycott to work you need governments to do a massive boycott. I also think that they need to pick and choose what to boycott. The example I gave before regarding SodaStream for instance, I think it was a very bad target for the BDS. SodaStream always had a message of peace, Israelis and Palestinians working together in harmony, etc. most of its' employees where Palestinians while it was in the West-bank and the BDS drove it back into Israel. 600 Palestinian lost their jobs and you have to remember that the average wage in the West-bank is 600$ a month while SodaStream had paid them Israeli minimum wage which is today 1400$ a month.
Thing is, the Palestinians also need to compromise in order to achieve peace, for instance, the right of return (even though the BDS wants the right of return according to US resolution 194 which talks about either the right to return or get financial compensation instead which is achievable).
Why do you keep asking this question in such threads despite folks having already answered you?
The Jewish people live side by side with the Arabs jn a state where everyone has equal rights. That's what happens. Out of curiosity, do you think that the Jewish people currently living in Israel can only live in an Ethnostate?
The one-state solution is a pretty bad one IMO. You can't just take 7 million Israeli Jews and 7 million Palestinians which were at war for 100 years and expect everything to be peaceful and awesome.
That's the Israeli extreme right-wing parties solution BTW, one big single state.
