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Quad Lasers

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Oct 26, 2017
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After this whole ordeal, it's really hard to take the games press seriously(places like Waypoint and Imran notwithstanding) when you hear them bemoaning about gamers harrasing and targetting them over stupid shit, yet you see how utterly pathetic the coverage of a major publisher courting the most radical and dangerous people in this "fandom" is.

At a certain point, you make the bed you lie in.
 

Vanpastel

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Oct 30, 2017
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I think we should refuse to buy games put out by this studio in the future, I know I will never buy any of their games.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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The speed at which people have just moved on from this is really just astounding to me.
I can't believe a game being made exclusive to a specific PC storefront results in outrage and one of the biggest stories in the industry for weeks... but a fucking publisher hanging out with pedophiles, sexists, and racists is just a blip for a day or two.
This.

THQN games aren't even getting mentioned in my conversations anymore until a clear stance of improvement happens.
 

iareharSon

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I'm legit shook. THQ Nordic literally paid someone to rub elbows with and legitimize pedophiles, racists, and incils. Like they let that shit through their firewall and had someone on their network doing that shit... on payroll.

And as people are saying, people are always out here stanning for the sanctity of the industry with shit like platforms buying exclusives of platform representatives attacking reviewers, but when it comes to this we Gucci? Let's boycott games that get bought out from appearing on Steam, but ignore Publishers sharing space with pedophiles. Don't even know what to say anymore.
 
May 26, 2018
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I have to wonder if this isn't all down to games being more isolating, a medium in which to endulge in one's fantasies without being judged by the law or by society. So those who feel outcast by either or both congregate en masse to the medium, and the industry must not alienate them or risk losing more than the average person realizes. This is good and bad, as the demographic includes both the shunned oppressors and the shunned oppressed...
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
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Oct 25, 2017
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How about this as a goal for THQ Nordic: demonstrate that they have done anything to actually prevent this from happening again, and combat whatever part of their corporate culture enabled this to happen in the first place.

Literally fucking anything.
 

KtotheRoc

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Oct 27, 2017
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What a great article. Excellent work, Imran. And I'm glad to hear that he will continue to follow this story. THQ Nordic being able to just wait out the cycle after what they did is absolutely disgusting.
 

Dary

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Oct 27, 2017
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And I'll point out it took less than a day for Areanet to fire Price and the male colleague that defended her. Still nothing from THQ Nordic. I wonder what the difference is...
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Oct 25, 2017
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It's ridiculous how almost none of THQ's partners said shit. We got one twitter comment from a Microsoft employee and that's it.
 

Ponn

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Who's going to hold them accountable, gamers? 😆.

That's like asking Republicans to hold Trump accountable. The industry itself is toxic as hell. The average person doesn't know about 8chan so they aren't going to give a shit. And they have a big portion of their fan base cheering them on for it.
 

Akai

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Oct 25, 2017
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Honestly, the whole situation is so fucked up and it's still surreal that it happened.

I'm now associating 8chan, a (child pornography) website that I previosuly didn't know existed, with THQ. Can't possibly be the only one and it's absolutely insane that there were no real repercussions...

Great article and I'm happy to hear that they plan to keep reporting about it. Can't wait for the 1 month anniversary article.
 

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Called it when it happened.

Only a small percentage of people see this as a calculated move
Majority of people see this as a "very stupid gaffe"
Alt right sees this as THQ reaching out to them and tell them "we're your company"

Companies have no incentive to go nuclear on THQ or have any type of harsh backlash because the general gaming population doesn't care beyond the "lol wtf"
 

Kilic95

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Oct 25, 2017
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Will that really be enough to satisfy everyone here? The article talks about needing a conversation around this... why? It's universally agreed that THQ made a big oopsie and knowingly did, no one with any credibility will make the same mistake.

Instead, they'll go even further. This will inevitably happen.

Why? Because a failed game is a bigger controversy, than seeing a publisher engaging with pedophiles and doxxers, on a blacklisted site.

When we're at this point, why wouldn't it get worse?
 

Zocano

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Oct 26, 2017
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As I said:
The entire press can stop to cover THQ Nordic stuff. And refuse to review their games.

Unfortunately at a certain point, all this does is hurt the developers of those games who had little or nothing to do with the decisions made by their publisher. It's hard to take a stance like this because you're going to hurt as many people as you are going to help (honestly, probably hurting more than helping). It's a shitty horrible thing THQNordic did and the PR team at the very least should be changed but moves like blacklisting a publisher only seem good on paper.
 

Possum Armada

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I think we should refuse to buy games put out by this studio in the future, I know I will never buy any of their games.

The people who did don't make anything. They acquire studios of people who are working hard making games as a way to feed their families. Why should the team making Biomutant, for example, be punished because of what the people who bought their studio did?
 
May 26, 2018
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Unfortunately at a certain point, all this does is hurt the developers of those games who had little or nothing to do with the decisions made by their publisher. It's hard to take a stance like this because you're going to hurt as many people as you are going to help (honestly, probably hurting more than helping). It's a shitty horrible thing THQNordic did and the PR team at the very least should be changed but moves like blacklisting a publisher only seem good on paper.

Depressing to think about it like that. To rather support developers in an ecosystem so fucked that they're likely being abused themselves, than take a risk to shake the status quo.
 

rras1994

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Nov 4, 2017
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Instead, they'll go even further. This will inevitably happen.

Why? Because a failed game is a bigger controversy, than seeing a publisher engaging with pedophiles and doxxers, on a blacklisted site.

When we're at this point, why wouldn't it get worse?
EA saying that if you don't like women characters in Battlefield V, don't play our game, has had a more negative affect on gamers than THQ Nordic being on a child porn site. It is literally worse for publishers to be associated with doing stuff for women then being associated with kiddie porn. That's how bad we are at, and people are kidding themselves that it won't push devs further to the alt right.
 

McScroggz

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Jan 11, 2018
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There definitely hasn't been a harsh enough penalty for anybody involved. I refuse to believe this was an innocent mistake. I've never gone to 4chan and I know it's a shitty place, but the idea of holding an AMA on a more extreme version of 4chan that I assume has less traffic, regardless of the association with whatever caused then to be delisted from Google is reason enough for the guy who made that decision to be fired for incompetence. Then you have to ask how he heard about 8chan or why he thought using that site instead of one of the most popular sites on the internet and the one ubiquitous with AMAs in Reddit would be a good idea? And lastly either he somehow didn't know anything about the site and still chose it as the platform OR he knew what he was doing. The guy is either a complete imbecile or a scumbag. I'm about 90% in the scumbag camp.

That's not a guy you keep around unless there's a toxicity within the company...
 

Aeana

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Oct 25, 2017
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Unfortunately at a certain point, all this does is hurt the developers of those games who had little or nothing to do with the decisions made by their publisher. It's hard to take a stance like this because you're going to hurt as many people as you are going to help (honestly, probably hurting more than helping). It's a shitty horrible thing THQNordic did and the PR team at the very least should be changed but moves like blacklisting a publisher only seem good on paper.
This is true of literally anything, though. Everything you do has side effects. "You can't do x or you might hurt innocent y who had nothing to do with it" applies to every decision you ever make. Even something as simple as choosing not to buy a game because it's too expensive "hurts innocent people" who had nothing to do with setting the price.

Moves like this are temporary measures intended to apply pressure. Refusing to cover games, using this example, would certainly do that. It's not intended to be a permanent thing. The desired outcome is, at the very least, for the people responsible to be fired. It is THQ Nordic's job to act in the best interest of the companies they represent, and they are certainly not doing that here.
 

Zocano

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Depressing to think about it like that. To rather support developers in an ecosystem so fucked that they're likely being abused themselves, than take a risk to shake the status quo.

It's a shit situation and my heart goes out to all the devs under THQN right now upset and furious over some higher ups stupid actions.
 

GhostTrick

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Unfortunately at a certain point, all this does is hurt the developers of those games who had little or nothing to do with the decisions made by their publisher. It's hard to take a stance like this because you're going to hurt as many people as you are going to help (honestly, probably hurting more than helping). It's a shitty horrible thing THQNordic did and the PR team at the very least should be changed but moves like blacklisting a publisher only seem good on paper.



If every major gaming website signify to THQ Nordic that they'll stop covering their games and stuff, I can assure you the whole thing will be over in a week before any dev can be hurt.


All it takes is IGN, Eurogamer, Kotaku, EDGE, GameInformer and such.
Just a single week.
 

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A lot of people were saying this when it happened and unfortunately despite hoping it wouldn't be the case the whole thing has pretty much blown over. The people in question who did this got away with it, with a bullshit apology at that, and no one resigned or got fired.

The least I can personally do is boycott the company and that is what I'll be doing, and I encourage others to do the same.
 
May 26, 2018
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This is true of literally anything, though. Everything you do has side effects. "You can't do x or you might hurt innocent y who had nothing to do with it" applies to every decision you ever make. Even something as simple as choosing not to buy a game because it's too expensive "hurts innocent people" who had nothing to do with setting the price.

Moves like this are temporary measures intended to apply pressure. Refusing to cover games, using this example, would certainly do that. It's not intended to be a permanent thing. The desired outcome is, at the very least, for the people responsible to be fired. It is THQ Nordic's job to act in the best interest of the companies they represent, and they are certainly not doing that here.

Unless immorality and apathy are the bedfellows of success. Then there is less risk.
 

Zocano

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Oct 26, 2017
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This is true of literally anything, though. Everything you do has side effects. "You can't do x or you might hurt innocent y who had nothing to do with it" applies to every decision you ever make. Even something as simple as choosing not to buy a game because it's too expensive "hurts innocent people" who had nothing to do with setting the price.

Moves like this are temporary measures intended to apply pressure. Refusing to cover games, using this example, would certainly do that. It's not intended to be a permanent thing. The desired outcome is, at the very least, for the people responsible to be fired. It is THQ Nordic's job to act in the best interest of the companies they represent, and they are certainly not doing that here.

You're absolutely right that actions should still be taken. I just always get worried about the pitchforking happening without some realizing the collateral that can happen.

Edit: pitchforking from the general public I mean. The ones who have the most weight to throw around almost assuredly consider this factor but I ultimately think it's for the best for them to take actions to force the wrongdoers to be taken to justice.
 

Aeana

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Oct 25, 2017
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You're absolutely right that actions should still be taken. I just always get worried about the pitchforking happening without some realizing the collateral that can happen.
But that's the whole point. If there were no consequences, then there would be no leverage.
 

Karlinel

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Nov 10, 2017
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There definitely hasn't been a harsh enough penalty for anybody involved. I refuse to believe this was an innocent mistake. I've never gone to 4chan and I know it's a shitty place, but the idea of holding an AMA on a more extreme version of 4chan that I assume has less traffic, regardless of the association with whatever caused then to be delisted from Google is reason enough for the guy who made that decision to be fired for incompetence. Then you have to ask how he heard about 8chan or why he thought using that site instead of one of the most popular sites on the internet and the one ubiquitous with AMAs in Reddit would be a good idea? And lastly either he somehow didn't know anything about the site and still chose it as the platform OR he knew what he was doing. The guy is either a complete imbecile or a scumbag. I'm about 90% in the scumbag camp.

That's not a guy you keep around unless there's a toxicity within the company...
I never, ever, thought I'd say this but: there is a certain base level of toxicity you just roll with when you are enthusiast. You have to read a loooot of mysoginistic, homophobic and transphobic stuff, much anti-Soros stuff...it's par for the course in spanish outlets and most international magazines (thank god for era, where even my idiotic anti-nintendo rants got me banned, for keeping civility among that chaos). But this is just a whole different level, and it's simply too much for me. Fuck THQN, fuck 8chan, and fuck the sick bastards that apologize them.
 

TheMrPliskin

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Heid

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If every major gaming website signify to THQ Nordic that they'll stop covering their games and stuff, I can assure you the whole thing will be over in a week before any dev can be hurt.


All it takes is IGN, Eurogamer, Kotaku, EDGE, GameInformer and such.
Just a single week.
So all we gotta do is bombard these guys on twitter and social media until it trickles through or they start talking to each other? That seems doable.

I'm astonished this guy wasn't fired already, his career is already permanently marked surely.

As others have said, it's shocking just how quickly people have moved on from this. I figured most people could pretend to give a shit for at least a week but apparently even that was too much to ask.

I'm hoping we continue to see articles like this until something is actually done.
This element of the topic just feels like a part of modern internet and insanely low attention span. Over saturation of news articles and insane shit happening and disgusting things and amazing things, all in a feed all rolling by. Whether its a facebook wall, or reddit frontpage or this forum, theres just so much shit going on all the time. You get numb to do it. I'm sure theres a proper name for this thing, some sociopsychological term.
 

NHarmonic.

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Maybe the both sides rhetoric it's what keeps this toxicity going on. If you have people willing to keep supporting this shit (that couldn't be more blatant) or supoorting companies putting hate against minorities in the games themselves (Hi Atlus) then nothing will ever change.
 

cyba89

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Remember when Total War titles got massively review-bombed on Steam for introducing female generals and the games Steam forum getting flooded with hateful comments?
Or Chuchel getting review-bombed after the dev changed the design of the main character to be less racially problematic?

There is currently not a single negative Darksiders 3 review on Steam talking about the publisher of the game endorsing a site hosting hate-speech & CP. There is just one thread in the community forum about it by a right troll.

Wonder what's the difference here...
 
May 26, 2018
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lmao, as usual, you get "ResetEra is worse than 8chan!" comments.

Of course. ResetEra formed as a fight-or-flight reaction to sexual abuse. It represents a system of belief that, if it dominated, those who find ResetEra despicable could see their way of life totally shut out, at best. People in history have often fought and died to protect the world that supports them.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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So do you think it's wrong that a reletively big game publisher just gave a site that harbors pedophiles a huge amount of attention? Because any answer other than yes is going to come across as a defense of 8chan.

I saw that I got warned so I guess I should have clarified. Obviously it is a complete fuck-up on their part and it never should have happened. Them not taking responsibility for it is shameful.

It's just that it is not on my mind at all except when I see threads about it here on Era, I can only keep track of and stay up to date on so many things at once.


Don't you avatar quote me you, lol.

Wow. At least he is consistent.

Gimme a break here, lol. I'm not "consistent" at anything.
 
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Icemonk191

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Oct 25, 2017
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Looking back GamerGate was a pivotal moment for the gaming industry. Instead of pushing back against the hate and harassment the gaming industry either shrugged their shoulders or actively welcomed it. Because of that the toxic elements were allowed to grow and fester. Now we've regressed so far back so quickly that I honestly can't see this industry ever getting better.
 

L Thammy

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Regarding the comments and such, I think it's worth considering that whoever is the loudest is not necessarily the biggest group. If I'm not mistaken, the largest market for video games has shifted more towards women in their thirties in their recent years - probably not the group that would be angry about this.

Part of the reason why the nefarious actors in cases like these are so active is because there are people who are engineering them to be active. They're pushed into less mainstream, more insular communities where they're bombarded with conspiracy theories so that they're always riled up, and they're continually fed new targets and campaigns so that they're constantly being heard.

Waypoint reported some quotes from (an) anonymous developer(s) talking about how upsetting they find being tied to this incident and how they fear that that their audience is going to shift more conservative. Imran mentioned elsewhere that someone had told them that they felt that they were now working at a more embarrassing company than when they were a telemarketer. There may be frustration about this in the industry that isn't being expressed in so visible a way, and maybe we could find a way to encourage that to come up.
 

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I saw that I got warned so I guess I should have clarified. Obviously it is a complete fuck-up on their part and it never should have happened. Them not taking responsibility for it is shameful.

It's just that it is not on my mind at all except when I see threads about it here on Era, I can only keep track of and stay up to date on so many things at once.
Fair enough.
 

heartscar

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It's the task of journalism to report on what is happening. I'd say that has happened more than enough if I personally look at all the articles I have seen going around. THQ seems to think they can let this slide by letting it blow over, and I think they can because there is nobody who has the role or authority to act against these kinds of things and also have a chance at succeeding.


At the end of the day we as consumers can talk about it all we want, but at a certain point we all go on with our lives.
The industry seems to not bring the influence needed either, based on the last couple of days.

THQ seemingly can dodge all the dissatisfaction going on without taking any further actions. Who, at this point, can let them reconsider if it's not the consumer or the industry?
 

VanDoughnut

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Oct 30, 2017
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Great article from Imran. And yeah not supporting this company until they do something about PR and higher ups.

I'm a little upset some have taken that half-assed apology at face value.
 

FF Seraphim

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This is basically showing how much power and money THQ has if nothing is being done about it. No one seems to want to bother with it because THQ just has that much influence. How did they get like that? No idea, but if this really becomes nothing then it proves two things: 1. The industry as a whole doesn't care. 2. Gamers as a whole don't care.
Both are bad and shows how sorry of a state everything is.
 

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This is the industry where one of the largest game publishers (Ubisoft) still uses the name of a dead racist shithead to sell products so I don't expect things to change anytime soon. Unless companies start experiencing real consequences for their fuckups it will continue.
 

Htown

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Oct 25, 2017
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The response to this has been relatively muted for the same reason that the reaction to Gamergate was relatively muted. Nobody's quite sure how much of the general gaming audience is made up of these fucking assholes, and they're terrified of losing money. Throw in the fact that game outlets usually rely on support from game publishers like THQ to provide content for them to analyze and review, and nobody wants to rock the boat too hard.

By the way, somebody had a post with a nice potential "copypasta" explaining the situation for threads about THQ Nordic games, anybody have a link?