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Oct 25, 2017
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That transcript of the accusation is absolutely heartwrenching. Is there a way some other organization or a GoFundMe can be made to do the job that Time's Up should be doing? The courage that it takes for people to speak out against predatory assholes like Biden should not be ignored or handwaved away. I really hope she and all the other women get what they need. Biden really fucking disgusts me. God... modern America is just a hellhole.
 

Hrodulf

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Oct 25, 2017
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For many people who know about this from last year, they've more or less accepted his "apology" for behavior that was "acceptable in the era he's from". I mean, you have a number of posts in this very thread treating her like some sort of opportunist because of their team based political mentality.

It's a really shitty look to constantly lambast Trump (and other similar garbage) over this sort of thing and say "believe women", then turn around and openly support someone who has done the exact same shit. Yes, things will be worse with four more years of Trump, but Biden will just make Democrats look hypocritical at best with stories like this. It shouldn't matter that he's the favored candidate or "the best chance of beating Trump"; treat his actions like you would anyone else's.
 

hateradio

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That transcript of the accusation is absolutely heartwrenching. Is there a way some other organization or a GoFundMe can be made to do the job that Time's Up should be doing? The courage that it takes for people to speak out against predatory assholes like Biden should not be ignored or handwaved away. I really hope she and all the other women get what they need. Biden really fucking disgusts me. God... modern America is just a hellhole.
The good is that at least in modern America people can come forward with their stories, and we're pushing to get rid of these issues. Although, progress looks to be slow. :/
 

Ginta

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Oct 29, 2017
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America can choose between a rapist and another rapist in the coming elections, if the democrats elect him. Disgusting.
 

nelsonroyale

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Oct 28, 2017
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It is utterly hypocritcal that Biden's behaviour has been tolerated this long. I don't think there is anything wrong with being touchy feely in a consential and jovial sort of way, but he is touchy creepy, and now it seems he is also a sexual harraser at the very least. The allegations may be from some time ago, but given his public conduct, he doesn't seem like a reformed character. I mean his sexism at least has been well known for years, particularly through his conduct of Anita Hill.

Also, the conduct by Times Up is reprehensible, but not surprising. Institutionalisation and people's often misguided perception of the greater good, often throw the people who should be their primary audience under the bus. And, I don't think it is any persons responsibility to withold allegations like this for political calculus. I mean sure, if they are proven false, then that that would reflect terribly on whoever made such accusations. However, given Biden's public and political conduct, this doesn't seem out of character.
 
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Nothing Loud

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm not sure I care about this Presidential election as much anymore. America doesn't deserve Bernie, it deserves to choose between two rapists. This country is effectively ruined beyond repair and our choices feel like they don't matter anymore. I think I'm just gonna save my sanity and plan on either exclusively living in strong blue states for the rest of my life as a bubble or plan an emigration to Canada asap. The USA deserves no place in the modern world of superpowers.
 

cnorwood

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Oct 28, 2017
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Not going to lie, after all of the gifs of him touching women and little girls this isnt suprising
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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So Krystal Ball reached out to her mainstream connections and heard back silence


Looks likely to me that the media is largely going to black this out. Until Fox News blasts it 24/7 during the general election
 

dred

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Oct 27, 2017
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Just listened to the podcast interview... wow... truly disgusting. I'm kind of speechless to be honest.
 

DarthSontin

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Oct 25, 2017
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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left
 
Oct 26, 2017
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Yeah the problem is that this is how it will play out, since they only care about winning and not bringing a monster to any sort of justice.
Them: He's not a monster! Trump's done much worse!

Also I love how everyone can admit this is bad and Biden is a lacklustre candidate for the most part yet for some reason he's the one who should win the nomination and possibly the presidency.
 

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Oct 25, 2017
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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left


All the "believe victims BUT" that this has brought up has been pretty sobering.
 

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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left

Dean is a two faced sack of shit

Oops, that was uncivil of me. I must be a Chapo Russian bot
 

Surfinn

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Oct 25, 2017
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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left

Piece of shit, this isn't about sources, it's coming straight from the victim's mouth
 

Chikor

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Oct 26, 2017
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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left

This is so fucking gross.
It's a testimony of a woman, he's gonna act like the intercept dubbed her or some shit?
 
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FliX

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Oct 25, 2017
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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left

There are some sentences where a qualifying with "but" should automatically disqualify one from any opinion on the matter. But what do I know.
 

makonero

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Oct 27, 2017
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MSM is giving this absolutely zero coverage and I wouldn't expect them to ever honestly, even if this is true. The media typically will not touch any accusation of a politician without fully vetted evidence these days. They are extra cautious when it comes to politicians.
remember that buzzfeed had to leak the steele dossier, no one else would print it or even mention it because they couldn't vet it
 

collige

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Oct 31, 2017
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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left

OK I might be missing something, but what on earth does Greenwald have to do with Assange?
 

Capra

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Oct 25, 2017
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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left


"This story may (...) be true, BUT"
 

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THE STORY DIDN'T EVEN COME FROM THE INTERCEPT! THE INTERVIEW IS WITH KATIE HALPER, WHO IS WITH ROLLING STONE! THE POST WAS ON SOUNDCLOUD!

WHAT THE FUCK
 

Surfinn

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It doesn't really surprise me that Dean is trying to discredit a woman's story based on who is reporting on it. We've had people on this very forum, prominent posters, attempt to pass her interview off as a Breitbart fabrication.

People will do anything to protect their quarterback
 

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Howard Dean is already trying to downplay the story because it came from The Intercept



This story may or may not be true but it's from the intercept which 1) is often not credible 2) was started by Glenn Greenwald who helped Assange and Putin undermine the 2016 election. I tend to believe victims but skeptical about sources like this.They are the Fox of the left


Wasn't the Intercept the ones that broke the Christine Blasey Ford story? So Howard Dean will believe women when it's about republicans, but not democrats? Disgusting.
 

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It doesn't really surprise me that Dean is trying to discredit a woman's story based on who is reporting on it. We've had people on this very forum, prominent posters, attempt to pass her interview off as a Breitbart fabrication.

People will do anything to protect their quarterback

I think the Democratic Party is going to have to be torn down and rebuilt, or we need a third party left of them. The rot is just too deep at this point. When you have prominent Dems running interference for rapists post-#metoo then something has to change.
 

Terra Torment

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Regarding Howard Dean, Russia and WikiLeaks being responsible for everything bad is a liberal conspiracy theory. Russia and WikiLeaks were not responsible for the contents of the emails. We should believe women regardless of The Intercept's position. Howard Dean is being a cynic.
 

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Regarding Howard Dean, Russia and WikiLeaks being responsible for everything bad is a liberal conspiracy theory. Russia and WikiLeaks were not responsible for the contents of the emails. We should believe women regardless of The Intercept's position. Howard Dean is being a cynic.

People go on about Clinton's October surprise, but the last email scandal before the election was a matter of Anthony Weiner not being able to keep it in his pants. The party has shown time and again they're more than willing to protect repeat sexual harrasment / assault / rape offenders, and frankly I think there's some justification to that being worth costing Clinton the election. At the very least it seems like they've learned nothing from it!
 
Oct 29, 2017
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Regarding Howard Dean, Russia and WikiLeaks being responsible for everything bad is a liberal conspiracy theory. Russia and WikiLeaks were not responsible for the contents of the emails. We should believe women regardless of The Intercept's position. Howard Dean is being a cynic.

A lot of Democrats seem to think Russia and WikiLeaks are magic words that exempt them from engaging with anything they don't like in good faith. Kind of like Republicans and "socialism". That kind of conspiratorial thinking is the security blanket party faithful have hidden under to avoid any honest self-reflection after losing to a racist moron like Trump in 2016.

I'm not surprised that Dean and others (including here) are doing it, or that they slandered Tina as a Russian asset when she first came out with the accusations. People have been shrugging off Biden's creepiness with women for years now.
 
Oct 28, 2017
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If they want to take the strategic approach, they'll probably ignore it until the general so they can hand Trump the win.
When has the conservative media ever acted with such restraint? Ever? What examples of this do we have from their past? They always get out in front of a story. They craft and frame the narrative and beat the drum continuously. They don't wait to spring things. They reiterate it over and over and over again until it is an accepted truth. If there is any evidence to the contrary, a story from the past in which they acted this way, I'd love to see it.

The M.O. Is to run with allegations as soon as they have been alleged and allegations are all they ever really need.

I think the Democratic Party is going to have to be torn down and rebuilt, or we need a third party left of them. The rot is just too deep at this point. When you have prominent Dems running interference for rapists post-#metoo then something has to change.
The two parties exist to give you the illusion of a choice you really don't have.
 
Oct 26, 2017
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The moment Trump gets ahold of this, he'll use it. And he'll keep using it to hammer at Biden.

How do I know?

Trump hates Biden. Trump got impeached trying to take down Biden. And Trump isn't known for restraint or timing. Look at how often he brings up Pocahontas wrt Warren.
 

Chaos Legion

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Oct 30, 2017
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The moment Trump gets ahold of this, he'll use it. And he'll keep using it to hammer at Biden.

How do I know?

Trump hates Biden. Trump got impeached trying to take down Biden. And Trump isn't known for restraint or timing. Look at how often he brings up Pocahontas wrt Warren.
The man who famously was taped admitting he regularly sexually assaults women is going to hammer Biden on an allegation. Makes sense.

So since the other thread exists, is anyone actually going to talk about the content of this thread which is Times Up's role in all of this? Did they investigate? Why did they turn down legal assistance? Should they be held accountable for not acting as their creed dictates?

Seems people are only fascinated in aspects of this story. Hopefully if it is picked up, we get answers.
 

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The man who famously was taped admitting he regularly sexually assaults women is going to hammer Biden on an allegation. Makes sense.

So since the other thread exists, is anyone actually going to talk about the content of this thread which is Times Up's role in all of this? Did they investigate? Why did they turn down legal assistance? Should they be held accountable for not acting as their creed dictates?

Seems people are only fascinated in aspects of this story. Hopefully if it is picked up, we get answers.

Well since Joe could be President, Times Up felt that picking it up could jeopardize their status as a non-profit

This is in the OP
 

Stellares

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Oct 27, 2017
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Wow. Even on Facebook, where i am friends with many politically-active young progressives, i haven't seen anyone make a single peep about this. This is going to stay buried, isn't it?
 

WhySoDevious

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The moment Trump gets ahold of this, he'll use it. And he'll keep using it to hammer at Biden.

How do I know?

Trump hates Biden. Trump got impeached trying to take down Biden. And Trump isn't known for restraint or timing. Look at how often he brings up Pocahontas wrt Warren.
Trump? How about Bernie?

He did decide to stay in the race despite having no path to the nomination. It's like he knew this was going to come out.