At this point we are looking at one rapist who wants to help out big business and banks for 4 years and one rapist who wants to help out big business and banks for 8 years but abortion.
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The Intercept: Time’s Up Said It Could Not Fund a #MeToo Allegation Against Joe Biden, Citing Its Nonprofit Status and His Presidential Run
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I can't imagine this playing terrible with #TheResistance, seeing as people (even on this very site) were defending a hypothetical Bloomberg/Trump november scenario in favor of Bloomberg.
So I wouldn't exasperate myself jumping to argue with people online who say this affects their voting decision. Luckily for those types (who would otherwise argue), its not gonna move the needle. To the dismay of people who care about this situation.
So I wouldn't exasperate myself jumping to argue with people online who say this affects their voting decision. Luckily for those types (who would otherwise argue), its not gonna move the needle. To the dismay of people who care about this situation.
Yeah, ultimately I don't think this story will go anywhere. There's too much going on for this to build traction. Very upsetting.
That audio... *shivers*
Two sexual predators competing for the presidency, while two sexual predators sit on the Supreme Court. This is so, so fucked.
Were I American, I'd still take the second one because reproductive rights are not a trivial issue. But urgh.
Two sexual predators competing for the presidency, while two sexual predators sit on the Supreme Court. This is so, so fucked.
And if that's the case then a choice still has to be made. It's like the moral dilemma scenario where driving you can hit a single person or stop and cause a 6 car pile up where 6 people die. No choice really isn't an option, the rest of the country just chooses for you.
Hillary dropped in numbers over a last minute statement on her e-mails. What do you think a rape accusation is going to do? (Not equating in terms of truth, btw!) Surely it will hurt too?
At that point people basically become single issue out of necessity. They choose one thing to restore.
This is where yall get it wrong. It's mostly not the voters... it's the influencers (who are trusted) who get a mass amount of people to vote against their interests.
They are the most dangerous.
Most regular voters are too busy with their own lives to really look into things...and they rely on others who they think they trust.
Edit- for a while, I thought Era was different... but it's not. Some on here are not geniune.
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People think The Intercept is false because it is Russian propaganda, which is wrong.
The understanding should be that any Russian propaganda works from reports they take from sites like The Intercept. The best propaganda, after all, is truth.
Yep this absolutely sucks and it won't hurt him all with the way the American public is. Trump's sexual assaults allegations which are far numerous are never brought up ever in the media despite being the far more unpopular candidate. Good luck trying to get the media darling like Biden any coverage about this during an election year.
Even if you'd replace Biden at convention with someone that the party could come together around (Warren or even Klobuchar, it should be a woman at this point given the nature of the allegations!) that would be preferable to him being the party's nominee. If the mainstream media doesn't run this story now, and the Republicans pick it up in the fall it would be an unmitigated disaster. I'd prefer Bernie obviously from the standpoint that he's second in the running, but if this is accurate you are risking it all running Biden in the general election. He might survive it because we still don't value women as much as we should, but this drops at the end of October on Trump's Twitter and Fox News, how do you like Biden's chances?
I have this question too.
How was he VP for 8 years without this coming out?
I'm in no way victim blaming, but come on...
'08 was a much different time, I doubt anyone bothered
Yeah, it's just fucking sad. We need a true, 3rd party at this rate.
Biden needs to just step down while he still can & have Bernie run against Trump.
Allegations came out last year of Biden being a real creep with touching women inappropriately including stuff from the same woman speaking out in this new Soundcloud audio. The audio mentions stuff that doesn't appear to have been circulated before.
The #metoo movement is relatively recent. The victims of these men had feared coming forward because of the power disparity and how historically female accusers have been dismissed.
Guessing because people didn't give a shit for a long time about women, then by the time more respect for them begins happening, Biden is in this position and people are going "we need him, pls don't find out"
which seems deeply stupid.
Feminism in this country was a dirty word for a long time until third wave feminism hit hard in the last decade or so. Second wave feminism was more or less skipped over here.
How many years was Weinstein a top Hollywood producer before all his crimes came out?
This came out in April last year with a milder story from the same person, and was then dropped after he issued an apology. It was likely followed up on by media then (especially since at that time Biden wasn't the prize horse) and not picked up further due to lacking information, so it coming back up again likely runs into an issue of sourcing.
From what I understand, this particular woman did not come forward to the press with the allegations until April 2019. I think that was right around the time the internet was coming to terms with Joe being a serial groper. However she only managed to get a local media outlet to report on the story: https://www.theunion.com/news/nevad...d-her-while-working-in-his-u-s-senate-office/
So it never picked up traction in national outlets. And the original reporting does not reflect the explicit detail given in the audio interview.
By her account, people said she was a Russian Op.
I'm not sure if *this* story was the actual one that Biden was apologizing for. I think Biden was reacting to the Lucy Flores accusation, which had made it all the way to The View
I don't think that's entirely fair considering all the erosion of civil liberties and corporate deregulation we have seen in the past four years.
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My problem really is that when she came out with her story last year, she only told half the story.
Why would she do that?
Her contemporaneous complaint and corroborating witness make me believe her account... no doubt.
I just find it ridiculous that she didn't disclose this full account back in April. It makes me doubt her motivations in telling her story (if not the veracity of the story itself).
Are we really back to "unless there is a 3rd party witness or a video footage we're not reporting on sexual assault allegations?"
I thought we were pass that.
I donno, have you listened to the audio? I think you need to have pretty damn concrete reasons to believe this is a fabrication to not cover it.
I don't want to rush to anything here because this is still pretty new, and I understand that it can take a bit to run down a story like this. But at least based on the information I have in front of me, it seem to easily clear the bar for reporting.
Ahh you are probably right. I remembered a number of these all coming out around the same time, and then fading out after the apology.
That isn't at all what I said or was even saying. I simply told you why it might be that the media hasn't picked it up. I do not control the media.
Fwiw, I still think Biden needs to address this ... and probably drop out.
I just think she's made a massive tactical error... and frankly I understand why her miscalculation will allow Biden to remain in the race.
From the Intercept story (you guys really should read these things before coming in with these questions)
Tactical error jesus christ. This is not a sporting event. This is a woman describing being raped.
Sorry, but I read it.
I don't understand why she only disclosed half of her story in that initial interview... It is going to harm her credibility now in the eyes of many.
It's not fair (and, like I posted repeatedly, I believe her), but now she looks motivated by more than just the need to disclose the truth about her experience.
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There is still time to drop Biden and embrace Sanders for Democrats. You can't tell me that Democrats can't sell a voice of reason during a Pandemic. If you ask me, this has a much better chance of success than Biden.
Because shes a victim and doesnt need to justify or discuss or disclose everything that happened to her for her story to matter.
It's really depressing that both our candidates this fall will have multiple accusers. What standard do we have for our top politicians? Why are they two creepy, confused old dotards? Seriously.
Not the way that it's going to play...
I'm not talking about what's right or true.
I'm talking about how it will play politically.
It could, but it would require party heads to put their foot down and go on Biden hard, since I doubt Biden would willingly step down of his own accord. Which I don't see the party doing, whether for optics or for attacking a highly regarded member of their party.
Better that we kick a stink about it now before it really is too late though.
They are just going to ride this out and hope it blows over. The sad thing is they're probably right.
This year fucking sucks, dude.
Even if they dropped Biden or he dropped out, it would not go to Bernie as Biden's delegates would likely unify behind someone else. Bernie was rejected by the majority at this point. You'd get some messy convention and who even knows who would end up on the ticket.
I don't think that's the bar the media have right now.
A lot of the Me Too reporting were based on only personal testimonies of the assaulted women.
Yeah, if Biden drops (which he almost certainly won't), it probably still won't be Bernie.