I don't think that's the implication at all, before that they're still talking about putting pressure on him because they know they can get him to do what they want. It's more just Hoffa not giving a shit and is glad that it happened
I don't think that's the implication at all, before that they're still talking about putting pressure on him because they know they can get him to do what they want. It's more just Hoffa not giving a shit and is glad that it happened
I think Bufalino definitely implies the mob is what got to President Kennedy. "If we can take down the president of the country then what's a union president?" or something along those lines.I don't think that's the implication at all, before that they're still talking about putting pressure on him because they know they can get him to do what they want. It's more just Hoffa not giving a shit and is glad that it happened
It was definitely implied. Its been part of the JFK conspiracies forever that the mob helped JFK get elected and then turned on him when his brother started investigating them.I think Bufalino definitely implies the mob is what got to President Kennedy. "If we can take down the president of the country then what's a union president?" or something along those lines.
On the bolded - I did wonder what the film was saying on the subject. It certainly felt like the unions were shown as just another root of corruption run by mobsters and/or narcissists for their own personal benefit. On the other hand the film is saying this is true for all of America, including the president. Hoffa and the work he does at least gets acknowledged as being for the greater good, his dealings with the mob are justified as the bitter pill he must swallow to operate in this world. I think in some ways really, the film is suggesting the death of Hoffa was the death of organised labour as a real force in the US, which is presented to be a tragedy.I didn't terribly care for it.
I think it covered a lot of the same ground that Goodfellas and Casino did, but not as well. I thought the CGI de-aging looked bad and the age of the characters never felt right.
I thought the movie felt weirdly anti-union at times, and in general, I think "organized crime as a metaphor/dark mirror for American life" thing is kinda stretched to the point of break here.
I also thought it was too long and kinda boring at time.
I liked the Action Bronson cameo though, even though it felt like it belonged in a different movie.
Over all, I give it "meh but he's still right about the MCU"/10
I don't think Scorsese tried to make an anti-union film, when I said it felt so at times and I meant it earnestly.On the bolded - I did wonder what the film was saying on the subject. It certainly felt like the unions were shown as just another root of corruption run by mobsters and/or narcissists. On the other hand the film is saying this is true for all of America, including the president. Hoffa and the work he does at least gets acknowledged as being for the greater good, his dealings with the mob are justified as the bitter pill he must swallow to operate in this world. I think in some ways really, the film is suggesting the death of Hoffa was the death of organised labour as a real force in the US, which is presented to be a tragedy.
Yeah I understand where you're coming from and I agree with you. That's one of the reasons the film doesn't work for me but I give it credit for attempting to cast an eye towards American political history (some of it anyway) to try and make some sense of it (even if it's not quite successful). This angle of the film is surprisingly little talked about in reviews which seem to be focusing more on the largely non-existent personal journey of Sheeran or casting meta-readings of this being Scorsese looking back on his career. There is more existential dread here than in Goodfellas I guess.I don't think Scorsese tried to make an anti-union film, when I said it felt so at times and I meant it earnestly.
I honestly just think it's an attempt to extend the "organized crime as a metaphor for American society" thing to organized labor and I don't really think it works.
But to be clear, had I liked the movie more and just found it to be more engaging on the moment to moment, this is not something that would have terribly bothered me.
He came to a horrible end. He just did not get killed.It was alright. Kind of felt like The main character could have shown some remorse or come to a bad end. Though I guess his end is akin to Pachinos Godfather?
it was alright
Yeah, I was expecting to be something more in the last act of the film, if nothing else, we get to see those Scorsese gangsters go into old age. And while it was nice to see them act without that stupid CGI mask, and for sure, it's a very fertile ground for meta analysis, it didn't really got me all that engaged, and if I'm honest, I was kinda ready for the movie to end.Yeah I understand where you're coming from and I agree with you. That's one of the reasons the film doesn't work for me but I give it credit for attempting to cast an eye towards American political history (some of it anyway) to try and make some sense of it (even if it's not quite successful). This angle of the film is surprisingly little talked about in reviews which seem to be focusing more on the largely non-existent personal journey of Sheeran or casting meta-readings of this being Scorsese looking back on his career. There is more existential dread here than in Goodfellas I guess.
Joe Pesci just wanted children. it's so sad seeing him interact with Frank's daughter and she just clearly isn't interested.
The story as it presented in the movie is almost certainly not true.Great film. Enjoyed it until the end. Hoffa's death surprised me, in how it happened. Was expecting it obviously, but not like that.
Good pick up. Interesting having it so up front.Watched this a second time on Thanksgiving with my folks. On my second viewing I realized that the guy you see getting shot in the head very briefly when De Niro is narrating at the beginning ("I started painting houses... myself") is actually Hoffa; just before the close-up on the wedding invitation.
There are rumors that is indeed what happened but who knows
Watched this a second time on Thanksgiving with my folks. On my second viewing I realized that the guy you see getting shot in the head very briefly when De Niro is narrating at the beginning ("I started painting houses... myself") is actually Hoffa; just before the close-up on the wedding invitation.
What was weird about this movie was Al Pacino singing about his new drink at Dunkin Donuts at the end.
Stephen Graham, he was in 2 episodes of Band of BrothersI noticed the one guy playing Hoffa's rival in the teamsters organization was played by a guy who was in Band of Brothers. He's an English actor. I was impressed by his acting.
Stephen Graham I think. He was also Al Capone in Boardwalk Empire and had a small role in Gangs of New York.
I was wondering when she was finally gonna fucking speak. I think she doesn't say a word until her third scene.Anna Paquin as Peggy was not a good casting choice, she was stiffer than Hoffa at the end of the film.
You think I can get a rough timestamp for this? I want to see it but cant find that scene and dont remember it.Watched this a second time on Thanksgiving with my folks. On my second viewing I realized that the guy you see getting shot in the head very briefly when De Niro is narrating at the beginning ("I started painting houses... myself") is actually Hoffa; just before the close-up on the wedding invitation.
Anna Paquin as Peggy was not a good casting choice, she was stiffer than Hoffa at the end of the film.
Meant Stephen yehStephen Graham I think. He was also Al Capone in Boardwalk Empire and had a small role in Gangs of New York.
only problem I really had with this movie was that it feels like it should've been made 15-20 years ago. Pacino and De Niro don't act like 80-year-olds, but they sure do move like it lol.
still, this was utterly enrapturing. definitely earned its runtime.
Thats always been a popular theory
Casino and Goodfellas are more historical than this movie.I didn't know this was semi-historical at first, so once I caught on I viewed it in a different lens. I was definitely expecting something more flashy, but considering the context of the movie I don't think I would have appreciated it if it was.
Watched this a second time on Thanksgiving with my folks. On my second viewing I realized that the guy you see getting shot in the head very briefly when De Niro is narrating at the beginning ("I started painting houses... myself") is actually Hoffa; just before the close-up on the wedding invitation.
He was also in the brawler film with Brad Pitt. I would've like to have seen him in more BoB episodes.
He has been in a few British series, he is a dope actor.He was also in the brawler film with Brad Pitt. I would've like to have seen him in more BoB episodes.
You think I can get a rough timestamp for this? I want to see it but cant find that scene and dont remember it.
I don't think that's the implication at all, before that they're still talking about putting pressure on him because they know they can get him to do what they want. It's more just Hoffa not giving a shit and is glad that it happened
I didn't feel De Niro's character was particularly compelling. He just sort of floats through the movie, borderline without agency. I know it's somewhat by design that he is cold blooded and emotionless, but it doesn't necessarily make for a good character if he doesn't have much of an arc.
Also, did a lot of the Pacino scenes have some abrupt edits?
That movie was long as fuck. It was just DeNiro being DeNiro. I wasn't impressed in the slightest. The deaging cg was not done well. I could never tell how old he was supposed to be. Pesci was amazing though. Pacino was Pacino. 🤷🏽
Man, the ending is a remin
I thought so at first but that last 1/4 of the movie when he found out he had to whack Hoffa, you could really see how conflicted he was. In fact, it really isnt until the end when the character is allowed to show some emotions, particularly regarding his estranged relationship with his daughter.