I have also never heard a single person complain about Anakin doing the absurd shit he does in the PT in the context of "he's too powerful!"
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The Mandalorian |OT| A Complicated Profession [SPOILERS ON EPISODE DROP]
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I guess this series is on a tight budget because these episodes would be much more enjoyable and not feel truncated if they were a full hour.
I told you.
Yodling's usage was raw and completely wiped it out. Rey was basically at mastery and control from TFA and we were off to the races.
I think the episodes are already very long with the story they are telling; for example we don't need to see the Mandalorian enter his ship, turn on every single thing on the dash, decide he's not coming back, and then see the entire process in reverse. One could only simply have used the part inside the ship. These episodes would work as half hour episodes, but the extra length lets them breathe.
What are the differences between raw and mastery?
Because in both TFA and TLJ, Rey was very much raw. In fact, that's literally how Luke described her.
The real shit they pulled of came after training. Pretty sure Anakin wasn't force choking kids or force pulling shit out the walls back on Tattoine.
..how was it at mastery when it took her three tries to even do the mind trick? There was no "mastery".
I would say holding something in place in the air is an impressive amount of control (that's massive and lunging for an attack, trying to shake free). More so than Rey ever accomplished physically in TFA, and even TLJ.
Luke also force pulled his saber with the same amount of training Rey had in TFA, the same act that's apparently too unbelievable for Rey to have accomplished (while hanging upside down and almost passed out).
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No but Luke force pulled his lightsaber out the ground with a grand total of 5 seconds of instruction from Obi-wan back in ANH
He also managed to guide his shot straight into a 2 meter exhaust port moving at great speed in an Xwing with the masterful training of "Use the force Luke!" from a voice in his head
Why would anyone complain that Anakin is too powerful when the movies outright tell you that he's suppose to be powerful? He's "the chosen one". Virgin birth. Super high midichlorians count and all that goofy stuff. The movies hammer you over the head with the fact that Anakin is special and just some random dude.
Yoda is almost as powerful in terms of potential, yet he is basically nameless and without any sort of background. Why can Anakin be so powerful without any explanation but Rey cannot? How do we know Rey's Force Dick is not as big or even bigger than his?
Yoda even tells us that the prophecy may have been misread, indicating that he might not be the chosen one. It's debatable in the films themselves who it ended up being in the OT (death of the author).
The ST stands as more evidence that he's either not the chosen one or the prophecy is bullshit, considering Vader's name/memory lived on through Kylo Ren and the empire became the FO.
Was could do it because (aside from the supposed mind melding or some shit) because she's a... "true believer" whose mind was open. Force Projected Luke inspired people to believe, unlike Luke or Anakin who were seen as too old and why Jedi preferred training as young as possible because cynicism, doubt and life experiences in general jading people and making it harder to accept and all that stuff starts to take over the older you get. Both Luke and especially Anakin used the Force passively for years before their training.
I said once did a thing, she was then at mastery. Meaning, force pulls became basic work for her after that. Force Piloting, Force levitation, Force Skype, you name it. It is my assumption now that Rey knows all things the force. Ok, cool.
Not when it completely wipes you out to do it.
IIRC, in the old EU, between ANH and ESB, Luke communed with the Force but that is actually irrelevant. Who cares.
The point is, (for my tastes) the hero having one thing they start off with, fine. Anakin had twitch reflexes, so did Luke. Yodling is a 1 trick pony to so far.
Where it becomes eye rolling for me is when our hero effectively becomes Superman (another character i have MAJOR problems with; Neo from the Matrix as well) and just has all the superpower gifts. Weeeeeeee!
What bullshit exactly did Luke pull while untrained?
Luke flew(which he was already trained at with his T-16) and used the force to make a hard shot with guidance from Obi-Wan.
he then gets captured by a Wampa, gets shot down in a snowspeeder and is finally owned when he actually fights Vader and loses a hand(and would be dead if he wasn't Vader's son).
None of those things shown exhibit any sort of mastery. The "Force Skype" wasn't because of a mastery, it's because of Snoke, the film tells you this outright. She had no control over it.
What does that have to do with control. Luke passed out at the end of his projection, clearly he had control. It's just draining.
Just because Rey does more things than Luke did in ANH doesn't mean mastery, by any stretch of the imagination. She is clearly more capable than whiny ass Luke during this time and in TLJ.
Midichlorians. I was joking around because of their absurdity. It's a measuring contest, and Anakin has the most, followed by Yoda. How do we know Rey doesn't have a similar or even higher count than Anakin?
Yoda wasn't even more powerful than Anakin, so there's in-canon precedent for humans being more attuned than whatever species Yoda is. There's literally nothing in-canon that the Yoda species is just more connected with the the force. What a disingenuous argument that other dude is peddling
It's baseless. Not impossible, as something like that could become canon of course, but completely baseless thus far.
But but the term existed before Rey! And an actual sexist/sexual abuser didn't adopt the term for Rey under a new lens or anything
Episode was fun, but I wish the show had an actual hour. Cara's a great addition and was really badass.
She also defended Baby Yoda, which is something that makes her even dearer to my heart.
She also defended Baby Yoda, which is something that makes her even dearer to my heart.
I loved her, she gives me hope that the show will rekindle some of the character interaction/banter that made the original movie tick.
i disagree greatly.
I find the episodes like the last one frustrating because they attempt to introduce multiple characters and get the audience to buy partially into a possible relationship for Mando. Oh and train some farmers to be ready to fight armed raiders. Sorry but all of that needed a lot more time to simmer as many have already discussed the problem with brevity here throughout the thread. On this very page, even.
I also find your characterization of Mando making a decision then changing his mind and deciding to help the farmers to be disingenuous at best. Like, that was one of the more consequential moments in the entire episode and it reinforced his priorities while finding an excuse to let him stay and help, both building and further cementing his goals and values for us in the audience. Imagine thinking that exchange was a waste of your time.
We don't know. And that's probably the problem. Midichlorians were basically Lucas's lazy ass way to explain to the audience why Anakin is so strong in the force and just how strong he is. I'd agree that Midichlorians are stupid but that was his attempt at trying to explain Anakin's power.
Coming out of TFA, i felt like Rey can probably do anything with her powers. Coming out of TLJ, that was confirmed (just like I felt with Neo at the close of Reloaded). I feel the same way now as I did then. "Cool, let's see how they wrap this up." That's because i don't really see the stakes anymore. The Jedi journey ended in TLJ in terms of mastery.
By comparison, going into ROTJ, we didn't know what Luke would become, especially after that ass beating he took.<shrugs>
With Rey, anything she does as a Force User from this point, I just expect it to happen.
I concede this point.
I have no idea why you are clapping at Luke here. Do you dislike Luke?
What does he have to do with what i have maintained this entire day. It started off with me saying i didn't want my hero protag to feel like the finished product so soon after we meet them. That got praise.
I extend that to Rey and i get boos.
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The funny thing is
You don't actually need to explain his power. His actions and feats should speak for themselves. You also don't need him to be Space Jesus. We literally got an "over 9000" moment in SW lol, absolutely terrible
Good episode but the weakest so far.
Reminded me off that episode of Star Trek enterprise where the miners are being bullied by Klingons that keep coming back and Tpol teaches them that silly martial arts duck and roll. Or the Rodin hood men in tights stick maneuver.
Reminded me off that episode of Star Trek enterprise where the miners are being bullied by Klingons that keep coming back and Tpol teaches them that silly martial arts duck and roll. Or the Rodin hood men in tights stick maneuver.
Episode 4 was pretty trash. The only thing keeping me going is seeing baby Yoda do his thing. The characters just aren't doing it for me I guess. I feel like nothing too crazy plot wise happens between each episode, they really could've released this all at once. The Armor is A1 outside of people loving to punch is helmet lol.
She told 10 years ago he went out for some power converters.
This is a baseless and absurd assumption though, I'm not quite sure why you think she has mastered anything. I understand not feeling like there were stakes. But that's a separate issue from "Rey is too powerful", which has always been a dumb talking point and whether intentional or not, an alignment with "Rey is a Mary Sue".
Lol? My comment about him being whiny was a jab at how sheltered and how normal of a life he had lived compared to Rey, who had no one to take care of her and had no reason to feel bad about just how hard she's got it. Luke is great, I love his character. This is a weirdly defensive response.
The reason why we are here is because your argument still amounts to "Rey is a Mary Sue", whether that's your intention or not. Which is a very bad and tired argument.
I agree but that's what we got. Nothing we can do now but blame Lucas for writing that shit.
Perfectly deflecting 3 consecutive rapid shots from the remote completely blind because Obi-Wan said "reach out with your feelings"
Obi-wan's "guidance" with the death star amounted to his disembodied voice saying "use the force"
Force pulling his lightsaber (which he didn't even know was possible) to him without any guidance or instruction on how to do so
Its definitely irrelevant as that's now non canon. Which then brings us back to how did Luke - with no instruction or training on how to do so - perform a technique he didn't even know existed and had never seen or heard done and pull his lightsaber too him while freezing, upside down and dazed?
As I explained Luke had a little more than twitch reflexes but sure, Rey shows a greater variety of use with the force than Luke, and if you dislike that its your opinion and that's okay
But lets not pretend there isn't a precedent for what she's doing through Luke and lil green
The obvious answer is the one Obi-wan gave in ANH
They're not just "doing" these things its the force doing it through them, flowing through them
Luke: you mean it controls your actions?
Obi: partially, but it also obeys your commands
In response to necessity and due to their natural connection to the force, Luke, Anakin, Rey and Yodel's actions are letting the force flow through them and the force is answering their call for help and guiding their actions
I felt like she had unlocked everything, much like Neo could "see" the Matrix at the end and could fucking fly. I was like, welp, I guess he is all leveled up now. That got even MORE absurd in Reloaded when he not only took on 100 Agent Smiths but also saved Morpheus and the Keymaker off and exploding truck.
Everything i saw in TLJ concerning Rey's force powers confirmed how I felt about Neo. Same feelings.
I just didn't understand it. It was weird and outta left field.
It's an oversimplification of my issue and a means of putting in a neat little box of Rey hatred.
Neo is a Marty Stu. Clark Kent is a Marty Stu. I have issues with both for the EXACT same reasons.
Well, to each their own, but I'm not quite sure why you feel like she's "unlocked everything". She couldn't even read her force vision right and mistakenly thought it meant Kylo would turn if she came to him. She didn't master beating literal red shirts, and needed a lot of help from Kylo to do it, once she got completely bailed out after Snoke had her captured/tortured her.
I like Luke. He's a whiny little kid in ANH. There's nothing wrong with that, it adds to his personality and character.
I'm not saying you hate her. I'm saying your views align with Mary Sue talking points.. not the best company to have, even if you're well meaning.
We're gunna have to agree to disagree here.
I wasn't saying the scene should have been cut, but to deliver that storytelling, you only need a fraction of what you gave the viewer. There was padding used in that scene, which is understandable because it's a TV show and it needs to deliver a set amount of time. You don't get an AT-ST, the horn creature, or the entire Sandcrawler without doing something like that on a TV budget.
I don't see what else we needed from the town. We spent a lot of time in there already, we even got multiple named secondary background characters.
Just watched the new episode and I liked it! When he was explaining his helmet, did he basically confirm he's not a native Mandolorian?
Should have kept the Gina Carano character around, they made a cool duo. Episode was alright...paint-by-number generic plot, though.
So what was that woman's name ? why they did not use a remote bomb to destroy the AT-ST directly ? did they really trained the villagers in a single day ?
The writing is this show is really not good. And another poorly directed action scene (lol at the AT-ST not shooting at the villagers 5 meters in front him)
edit : oh and Mando removing his helmet in front of the entire village wtf ?
The writing is this show is really not good. And another poorly directed action scene (lol at the AT-ST not shooting at the villagers 5 meters in front him)
edit : oh and Mando removing his helmet in front of the entire village wtf ?
Episode 4 was pretty garbage. Worst of the lot so far.
Directed by Bryce Dallas Howard? It all makes sense now.
Directed by Bryce Dallas Howard? It all makes sense now.
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