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The Mansion Mafia - Hold on tightly to your secrets

Oct 25, 2017
2,386
I don't think Devious' role tells us much to be honest. Sleepwalker can be town or scum, 2 town is as believable as one of each.

I just don't read Devious as scum
 

turmoil7

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Oct 25, 2017
1,807
I don't think Devious' role tells us much to be honest. Sleepwalker can be town or scum, 2 town is as believable as one of each.

I just don't read Devious as scum
By nature the scum team is small, do you think they would have a slot wasted on a negative utility?
 
Oct 25, 2017
746
I don't think Devious' role tells us much to be honest. Sleepwalker can be town or scum, 2 town is as believable as one of each.

I just don't read Devious as scum
I thought scum early on with Devious but have changed my mind. Some of their posts have now seemed like newbie PR trying to hide it
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,015
If Wee does flip town, I'd be pretty tempted to look at those who defended her.
So let me get this straight. If i'm right i'm wrong. And those who were wrong are actually right? Is this bizarro mafia we're playing here? Am i supposed to give false reads to protect my ass?

For the record and to be perfectly clear. I think wee is town. If she indeed flips town and you want to lynch me for thinking so then go ahead. I think it's dumb.
 
Oct 25, 2017
746
So let me get this straight. If i'm right i'm wrong. And those who were wrong are actually right? Is this bizarro mafia we're playing here? Am i supposed to give false reads to protect my ass?

For the record and to be perfectly clear. I think wee is town. If she indeed flips town and you want to lynch me for thinking so then go ahead. I think it's dumb.
I think the point to be made here is that scum generally likes keeping around people who have question marks hanging over their heads. They like to use that to cause confusion and hide in that kind of chat and then look good when that person flips town
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,015
I think the point to be made here is that scum generally likes keeping around people who have question marks hanging over their heads. They like to use that to cause confusion and hide in that kind of chat and then look good when that person flips town
Sure, i understand that. And since weemad is going today i really hope she's scum. But i just don't think she is.

Here's the thing. What do i really get out of batting for her towniness here? She's as good as dead so we're gonna find out for sure. 1) she's scum and i look hella suspect for trying to defend scum. 2) she's town and i just spent a whole day paintimg a target on my back in the most obvious way possible. Come on. I'm new to the game but i'm not stupid. This was some of the advice Fire gave me on mentor chat: 'never lie as town unless it's absolutely necessary to out scum.' Paraphrasing.

Mainly you.
 
Oct 31, 2017
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I voted cause if wee turns out to be scum, I don't want to be one of the people not voting for her... that would be suspect.

And from what I've read on the wiki... scum tend to be the third/fourth votes in a train..

Finally, like I said yesterday, I trust BronsonLee, so I'm following his lead for now.

I'm learning as I go along. Maybe by the third game I'll get better at this. I'm not the confrontational type, so this game really puts me out of my element.
 
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Brazil

Brazil

The Dude of Prophecy
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Oct 24, 2017
7,019
São Paulo, Brazil
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

weemadarthur (6 votes)
*Splinter - #4,783
Zippedpinhead - #4,800
Stuart444 - #4,801
Kitsunelaine - #4,818
turmoil7 - #4,959
BronsonLee - #5,025 #5,042
WhySoDevious - #5,027

turmoil7 (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #4,969

Not voting: BronsonLee, Muffin, Girlofgotham, B-Dubs, StanleyPalmtree, saenima, Kalor

Post Counts:
BronsonLee: 38 weemadarthur: 36 Stuart444: 31 *Splinter: 30 turmoil7: 25 saenima: 23 B-Dubs: 18 Kitsunelaine: 16 Kalor: 16 Muffin: 15 WhySoDevious: 12 Girlofgotham: 12 Zippedpinhead: 9 StanleyPalmtree: 3 Hecht: 1 Fat4all: 1

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B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell
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Oct 25, 2017
11,957
Here's the thing that's been bugging me: we haven't actually found a scum on our own yet. We got gifted on by the dayvig (big ups to you whoever you are) and another fell into our laps by not voting. Sure, we were all willing to go for Kaz until the FEPs trail got started, but still. I can't help but feel like we're all making a bad assumption somewhere and need to correct it.
 

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
3,653
Both scum have been openly suspected so I don't think there's any massive bad assumptions. Lux would have gotten lynched on day 2 or 3 and the same with Kaz, he probably didn't have long left.
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,015
Here's the thing that's been bugging me: we haven't actually found a scum on our own yet. We got gifted on by the dayvig (big ups to you whoever you are) and another fell into our laps by not voting. Sure, we were all willing to go for Kaz until the FEPs trail got started, but still. I can't help but feel like we're all making a bad assumption somewhere and need to correct it.
This is exactly where i'm at.

Honestly, i feel like town is endlessly arguing among themselves and scum is just back there watching, waiting for the mislynches and NKs. Where is stanley? Where is muffin? Where is zipped?
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell
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Oct 25, 2017
11,957
We haven't had a hit since and we're about to lynch wee for faking the cop role. If wee flips scum feel free to ignore any misgivings I've had because that'd be 3 scum in 4 days and that's damn good, but if not then I dunno
 

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
3,653
Sure, i understand that. And since weemad is going today i really hope she's scum. But i just don't think she is.

Here's the thing. What do i really get out of batting for her towniness here? She's as good as dead so we're gonna find out for sure. 1) she's scum and i look hella suspect for trying to defend scum. 2) she's town and i just spent a whole day paintimg a target on my back in the most obvious way possible. Come on. I'm new to the game but i'm not stupid. This was some of the advice Fire gave me on mentor chat: 'never lie as town unless it's absolutely necessary to out scum.' Paraphrasing.



Mainly you.
Who else besides Splinter? The use of mainly implies that you have at least someone else in mind.
 

Kitsunelaine

My favorite cake is pie
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Oct 25, 2017
4,273
like idk what people want from me, i've been trying to figure out the game, i've been engaging with everyone... how does that read as more scummy than the people trying to coast along with easy plays and little postings?
 
Oct 25, 2017
8,015
I mean it's just me, isn't it.

I'll be dead by the time any of this is relevant, you're gonna need a new theory
It was pretty much you. Maybe i'm just being dumb with all this and making the wrong connections and reads. I haven't read you as scum in this game before the claim tbf. I did not like your claim though, wee made a good point back at it and i think your reasoning wasn't very strong. But assuming your claim and the people you cleared are legit and also that the sleepwalker thing checks out, then we should be looking at people like Kits and Muffin and Stanley. I'm 99% sure there's scum in those names. Me? You're barking at the wrong tree and if you read my play throughout the entire game you'll see it clearly.

I'm kinda looking at Bronson as well now. I didn't like his turbo that took away any chance for Beat to claim or even say anything in his defense. He was vanilla but he could have been a PR. And if we're assuming wee is scum why are we also not looking at the targets she claims she cleared? Because she cleared Bronson. Wouldn't scum try to clear scum?

I'm throwing shit at the wall at this point, because i don't know. We got almost nothing to go on right now. Which is why i'm thinking that scum is mainly among the more silent paople. What i do know is that if wee flips town and i go next that's two more mislynches in a row. Assuming two more NKs to go along with those and there being around 3-4 scum left in the game and that's almost the game lost right there.

Who else besides Splinter? The use of mainly implies that you have at least someone else in mind.
Read above.
 
Oct 26, 2017
6,387
like idk what people want from me, i've been trying to figure out the game, i've been engaging with everyone... how does that read as more scummy than the people trying to coast along with easy plays and little postings?
I've been consistent about the reason, you were one of the ones pushing Grizzly over Lux at the last minute. That alone is already a big deal to me personally. Besides that I haven't really perceived you as trying to figure out the game more than most, but you may of course disagree with me there.
 

Kitsunelaine

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Oct 25, 2017
4,273
I've been consistent about the reason, you were one of the ones pushing Grizzly over Lux at the last minute. That alone is already a big deal to me personally. Besides that I haven't really perceived you as trying to figure out the game more than most, but you may of course disagree with me there.
i actually had a good fucking reason though, but I guess that means shit or something just because

and I'm not arrogant enough to say "more than most" about my engagement in the game, com eon
 
Oct 26, 2017
6,387
i actually had a good fucking reason though, but I guess that means shit or something just because
Your reason was "I don't feel good about lynching someone who isn't there". That's pretty much it. That doesn't really make it a townie or scummy move in a vacuum. Lux being scum makes it a more likely scum move in my opinion, though there is of course chance of it being wrong, like with FEP who was more high profile. I'll take my chances there though over gutreads.

Not saying I want to lynch you today though. Weemad takes precedence and I think we should get that lynch out of the way first. We're gonna keep mulling over whether its a town or scum gambit tomorrow too otherwise without other discussion.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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i think it's really weird people have been scum reading me for really vapid reasons
You’ve been getting into a variety of random arguments that are often seem like distractions and I found the way that you were really keen to turbo Z-Beat yesterday a little heavy handed, considering he was getting read for not being there (I was also tempted to vote there but didn’t get the chance because apparently our group can).

On top of that, I also wasn’t keen on your Grizzly push.

In fact, you’ve been on all 3 town that have been lynched - Grizzly, fep and Z-Beat. Your voting record ain’t looking great.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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*apparently our group can’t hold off for 48 hours to vote) that should have said. Draft decided not to save for about the first time ever and when I actually needed it apparently.
 

Kitsunelaine

My favorite cake is pie
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Oct 25, 2017
4,273
Your reason was "I don't feel good about lynching someone who isn't there". That's pretty much it. That doesn't really make it a townie or scummy move in a vacuum. Lux being scum makes it a more likely scum move in my opinion, though there is of course chance of it being wrong, like with FEP who was more high profile. I'll take my chances there though over gutreads.

Not saying I want to lynch you today though. Weemad takes precedence and I think we should get that lynch out of the way first. We're gonna keep mulling over whether its a town or scum gambit tomorrow too otherwise without other discussion.
lest we forget
all i'm gonna say is i've been lynched in mafia due to being asleep and unable to defend myself before
Yes and it looked like Lux was going to get the boot due to being unable to contribute because of real life reasons and I'm sorry but that's a shit reason to lynch somebody. At least leave the slot open so others can sub in, jeez...
(An andendum: I'm not personally blaming anyone with this because the game was fuckin' chaotic and messy and there was no real time to discuss any of it at the end)
It's not "That's pretty much it" it's "let's fucking leave the slot open at least on D1 of all days"

You’ve been getting into a variety of random arguments that are often seem like distractions and I found the way that you were really keen to turbo Z-Beat yesterday a little heavy handed, considering he was getting read for not being there (I was also tempted to vote there but didn’t get the chance because apparently our group can).

On top of that, I also wasn’t keen on your Grizzly push.

In fact, you’ve been on all 3 town that have been lynched - Grizzly, fep and Z-Beat. Your voting record ain’t looking great.
how do you discern an argument from a distraction, is there some invisible metric

Also there comes a point (generally speaking, past D1) where i'm less forgiving of people who aren't able to participate in the game at all. If you don't think that's reasonable you're going to have to explain that one for me. There is a point where it's not reasonable. Everyone has different threshholds. The later we go, the less reasonable it becomes. You can't lynch someone D1 for real-life born inactivity. That's just shitty and disrespectful.
 

Kitsunelaine

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Oct 25, 2017
4,273
and it also means less people have a chance to participate in the game overall if the player then seeks to get someone to sub in, which, why have replacements at all if we're just going to lynch everyone early based solely on early game inactivity
 
Oct 25, 2017
746
lest we forget




It's not "That's pretty much it" it's "let's fucking leave the slot open at least on D1 of all days"



how do you discern an argument from a distraction, is there some invisible metric

Also there comes a point (generally speaking, past D1) where i'm less forgiving of people who aren't able to participate in the game at all. If you don't think that's reasonable you're going to have to explain that one for me. There is a point where it's not reasonable. Everyone has different threshholds. The later we go, the less reasonable it becomes. You can't lynch someone D1 for real-life born inactivity. That's just shitty and disrespectful.
I’m not questioning you not wanting to vote Lux on D1. I’m questioning you not wanting to give Z-Beat time to respond on D3.
 
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Brazil

Brazil

The Dude of Prophecy
Moderator
Oct 24, 2017
7,019
São Paulo, Brazil
==== DAY 4 VOTES ====
Day Start

weemadarthur (7 votes)
*Splinter - #4,783
Zippedpinhead - #4,800
Stuart444 - #4,801
Kitsunelaine - #4,818
turmoil7 - #4,959
BronsonLee - #5,025 #5,042
WhySoDevious - #5,027
saenima - #5,087

turmoil7 (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #4,969

Not voting: BronsonLee, Muffin, Girlofgotham, B-Dubs, StanleyPalmtree, Kalor

Post Counts:
BronsonLee: 39 weemadarthur: 36 Stuart444: 32 *Splinter: 31 turmoil7: 26 saenima: 26 Kitsunelaine: 23 B-Dubs: 20 Muffin: 18 Kalor: 18 Girlofgotham: 15 WhySoDevious: 12 Zippedpinhead: 9 StanleyPalmtree: 3 Hecht: 1 Fat4all: 1

Current Countdown:



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Oct 25, 2017
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That’s not even what I was responding to. I’m pointing out that you didn’t want to vote Lux because they weren’t there and yet you were willing to turbo Z-Beat waaaaaay before day end and didn’t give a damn about whether he could answer to this.

Right so you asked why people are scum reading you and I answered and now you’re swearing at me.

I’m stepping back.

Will talk tomorrow.
 

Kitsunelaine

My favorite cake is pie
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Oct 25, 2017
4,273
as does every other game of mafia i've been in

That’s not even what I was responding to. I’m pointing out that you didn’t want to vote Lux because they weren’t there and yet you were willing to turbo Z-Beat waaaaaay before day end and didn’t give a damn about whether he could answer to this.

Right so you asked why people are scum reading you and I answered and now you’re swearing at me.

I’m stepping back.

Will talk tomorrow.
You'd have a point if you didn't mention the Grizz vote as a footnote to the point you're elaborating on and instead mentioned it as pretext

Mentioning it as a footnote separates it from your main argument, especially with the "Also" part.

You're also missing how this post;
Also there comes a point (generally speaking, past D1) where i'm less forgiving of people who aren't able to participate in the game at all. If you don't think that's reasonable you're going to have to explain that one for me. There is a point where it's not reasonable. Everyone has different threshholds. The later we go, the less reasonable it becomes. You can't lynch someone D1 for real-life born inactivity. That's just shitty and disrespectful.
responds directly to yours as well by introducing qualifiers that justify things like going after coasters later on in the game

Which probably means you didn't read it. Which displays the level of good faith you're engaging in.