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The Mansion Mafia - Hold on tightly to your secrets

Oct 25, 2017
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Oh Stu I think you should tell us GF's breadcrumb. If you found it then chances are scum can find it too.
alright then...

In case I die tonight, aside from the obvious reads I've posted, I'm still wary of Hecht a little bit. Remember this.

Why? Partly cause tunneling grizzly was bad for town. Also, his claim just gives me weird vibes.

So watch him if he continues to vote poorly. He's not confirmed town yet.

For those doubting my claim, I'm not that devious. Glad I didn't have to out another PR, even though I'm not 100% certain they're town either.
It's an odd word choice. Pretty sure it's a breadcrumb.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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alright then...



It's an odd word choice. Pretty sure it's a breadcrumb.
Ah, good catch.

So it wasn't Kits that visited him, so she's off the hook for me.

This is a point against Devious, although... I vaguely remember calling someone out as a PR on day one... Wasn't that Devious?
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Ah, good catch.

So it wasn't Kits that visited him, so she's off the hook for me.

This is a point against Devious, although... I vaguely remember calling someone out as a PR on day one... Wasn't that Devious?
If godfather lost a BP that night (putting the strongman theory aside for a moment and suggesting Hecht is lying) wouldn't this suggest Devious could have made an attack on godfather N1?

If we are to take this as a breadcrumb, that is.
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell
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Oct 25, 2017
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If godfather lost a BP that night (putting the strongman theory aside for a moment and suggesting Hecht is lying) wouldn't this suggest Devious could have made an attack on godfather N1?

If we are to take this as a breadcrumb, that is.
I think it does. We should see what Devious says about it.
 

turmoil7

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Oct 25, 2017
1,807
LuxCommander (8 votes)
*Splinter - #924 #925
Grizzly - #1,131 #1,173
StanleyPalmtree - #1,136
Godfather - #1,140 #1,230 (08:36:49) (from the vote tool)
saenima - #1,180 #1,535 (09:43:51)

VOTE: LuxCommander


Just wanna add to the pressure a bit. I'd like to hear more from Lux.
When Saenima voted for Lux
-Stu had only one vote(mine)
-Kaz had got his first votes(Stuand bear's) around 40 minutes earlier

Does anyone think Saenima bused the strongest PR when he could had become a contender for Zipped who was way ahead?

Vote tally from #1202:

Zippedpinhead (5 votes)
B-Dubs - #190
Grizzly - #315 #1,131
Stuart444 - #406 #684
Z-Beat - #675
BronsonLee - #694
Kitsunelaine - #789
Kopite - #1,090

SaucyKaz (3 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,170
Grizzly - #1,173
LuxCommander - #1,184

LuxCommander (3 votes)
*Splinter - #924 #925
Grizzly - #1,131 #1,173
StanleyPalmtree - #1,136
Godfather - #1,140
saenima - #1,180

Grizzly (2 votes)
*Splinter - #750 #924
*Splinter - #925
Hecht - #931

*Splinter (1 votes)
Melonrabbit - #498
LuxCommander - #663 #1,003
StanleyPalmtree - #1,040 #1,136

saenima (1 votes)
Kalor - #662

B-Dubs (1 votes)
Hecht - #206 #931
flatearthpandas - #293

Z-Beat (1 votes)
Aeleus - #677

Melonrabbit (1 votes)
saenima - #679 #1,180
SaucyKaz - #817
Fat4all - #959 #1,103
LuxCommander - #1,003 #1,045
Stuart444 - #1,034 #1,082
LuxCommander - #1,045 #1,184

Fat4all (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #1,196

Godfather (1 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #359 #437
Stuart444 - #766 #1,034
Muffin - #842

WhySoDevious (1 votes)
Girlofgotham - #1,071

Stuart444 (1 votes)
Godfather - #140 #589
turmoil7 - #1,109

StanleyPalmtree (0 votes)
weemadarthur - #181 #980

Aeleus (0 votes)
Aeleus - #112 #161

Kopite (0 votes)
Grizzly - #194 #273

Kalor (0 votes)
Muffin - #728 #842

Muffin (0 votes)
Godfather - #589 #1,140

Hecht (0 votes)
Stuart444 - #217 #406

Kitsunelaine (0 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #437 #789





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Zipped was a very real and scummy alternative to place a vote for
Melonrabbit was a easy out too
A lot of players had one vote, bdubs, muffin, wsd, gog, z-beat
Are we supposed to think that scum saenima chosed made the Lux train a contender against Zipped in that target rich envivorment?

(to hecht: do you think Zipped, Lux and Saenima can be in the same scum team?)

Even his vote out of the Lux train checks out!!

Not want to provide any reasoning for that? Votes in the last hour without any reasoning don't really look good.
You're right. The Stu wagon smells bad and i want someone else up there. My vote was doing nothing. Between Saucy and Godfather there's my choice as i was thinking about voting for him already. For now it stays there.
Bear unvoted minutes before Saenima voted, and Godfather had unvoted by then too, Stan was the only remaining active vote there

Saenima: lean town towards full town read
 

turmoil7

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I am not sure if exposing WSD was a good idea but whatever the sin is done

for the record my berserk references were my breadcrumb of me noticing it too
 
Oct 25, 2017
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LuxCommander (8 votes)
*Splinter - #924 #925
Grizzly - #1,131 #1,173
StanleyPalmtree - #1,136
Godfather - #1,140 #1,230 (08:36:49) (from the vote tool)
saenima - #1,180 #1,535 (09:43:51)



When Saenima voted for Lux
-Stu had only one vote(mine)
-Kaz had got his first votes(Stuand bear's) around 40 minutes earlier

Does anyone think Saenima bused the strongest PR when he could had become a contender for Zipped who was way ahead?

Vote tally from #1202:

Zippedpinhead (5 votes)
B-Dubs - #190
Grizzly - #315 #1,131
Stuart444 - #406 #684
Z-Beat - #675
BronsonLee - #694
Kitsunelaine - #789
Kopite - #1,090

SaucyKaz (3 votes)
Stuart444 - #1,170
Grizzly - #1,173
LuxCommander - #1,184

LuxCommander (3 votes)
*Splinter - #924 #925
Grizzly - #1,131 #1,173
StanleyPalmtree - #1,136
Godfather - #1,140
saenima - #1,180

Grizzly (2 votes)
*Splinter - #750 #924
*Splinter - #925
Hecht - #931

*Splinter (1 votes)
Melonrabbit - #498
LuxCommander - #663 #1,003
StanleyPalmtree - #1,040 #1,136

saenima (1 votes)
Kalor - #662

B-Dubs (1 votes)
Hecht - #206 #931
flatearthpandas - #293

Z-Beat (1 votes)
Aeleus - #677

Melonrabbit (1 votes)
saenima - #679 #1,180
SaucyKaz - #817
Fat4all - #959 #1,103
LuxCommander - #1,003 #1,045
Stuart444 - #1,034 #1,082
LuxCommander - #1,045 #1,184

Fat4all (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #1,196

Godfather (1 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #359 #437
Stuart444 - #766 #1,034
Muffin - #842

WhySoDevious (1 votes)
Girlofgotham - #1,071

Stuart444 (1 votes)
Godfather - #140 #589
turmoil7 - #1,109

StanleyPalmtree (0 votes)
weemadarthur - #181 #980

Aeleus (0 votes)
Aeleus - #112 #161

Kopite (0 votes)
Grizzly - #194 #273

Kalor (0 votes)
Muffin - #728 #842

Muffin (0 votes)
Godfather - #589 #1,140

Hecht (0 votes)
Stuart444 - #217 #406

Kitsunelaine (0 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #437 #789





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Zipped was a very real and scummy alternative to place a vote for
Melonrabbit was a easy out too
A lot of players had one vote, bdubs, muffin, wsd, gog, z-beat
Are we supposed to think that scum saenima chosed made the Lux train a contender against Zipped in that target rich envivorment?

(to hecht: do you think Zipped, Lux and Saenima can be in the same scum team?)

Even his vote out of the Lux train checks out!!





Bear unvoted minutes before Saenima voted, and Godfather had unvoted by then too, Stan was the only remaining active vote there

Saenima: lean town towards full town read
If I'm reading this right, Saenima voted and unvoted Lux when it didn't really matter, and never went back to him when he became a lynch candidate?



Unvoted unvoted unvoted I really need autocorrect to learn the word unvoted
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I am not sure if exposing WSD was a good idea but whatever the sin is done

for the record my berserk references were my breadcrumb of me noticing it too
If you can Stu can find it independently then a scum team of 3+ with more reason to want to find it probably already did as well.

Might as well get it out there at this point. There's a very real chance he attacked Godfather as well
 

turmoil7

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Oct 25, 2017
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If I'm reading this right, Saenima voted and unvoted Lux when it didn't really matter, and never went back to him when he became a lynch candidate?



Unvoted unvoted unvoted I really need autocorrect to learn the word unvoted
It made Lux a serious contender against Zipped, who was handily ahead of the vote

It is a huge risk
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I'm normally pretty bad with breadcrumbs but I do catch odd word usages from time to time. The word 'devious' caught my eye when reading back over the GF/Hecht stuff.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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It made Lux a serious contender against Zipped, who was handily ahead of the vote

It is a huge risk
This feels a lot weaker than the Kalor example, it's not enough for me to rule out Saenima.

Last time I was scum my teammates bussed each other so aggressively on day one that we ended up with three of us up for the first lynch.
 
Oct 25, 2017
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I also wasn't sure about revealing it but Splinter is right. A scum team working together probably would have found it - possibly before I did. (Maybe yesterday which if devious is scum, would also make sense as to why GF was killed. GF said he thought the person who targeted him was town but did cast some doubt in the last line of that post I quoted)
 
Oct 25, 2017
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Zippedpinhead well now you know who targeted GF, what are your reads now? I would appreciate a full read list of both rooms
That godfather really did breadcrumb his visitor and it wasn’t kitsunelaine?

Saw that now... gotta formulate the reads list though. Can I get back with you later today on it? I just woke up.

However, I do think that gives kitsunelaine, specifically, more town cred. It’s an odd word usage, which to me would usually indicate breadcrumb
 
Oct 25, 2017
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That godfather really did breadcrumb his visitor and it wasn’t kitsunelaine?

Saw that now... gotta formulate the reads list though. Can I get back with you later today on it? I just woke up.

However, I do think that gives kitsunelaine, specifically, more town cred. It’s an odd word usage, which to me would usually indicate breadcrumb
Just to check, can you explain why this gives Kits more town credit?
 

turmoil7

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This feels a lot weaker than the Kalor example, it's not enough for me to rule out Saenima.

Last time I was scum my teammates bussed each other so aggressively on day one that we ended up with three of us up for the first lynch.
The newbie scum being bold enough to bus the strongest role(that we know of so far)?
 
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The newbie scum being bold enough to bus the strongest role(that we know of so far)?
Yes. That's not as outlandish as you're implying.

Like I said I've seen scum teams bus themselves to death while town are still focussed on posting funny GIFs. That's practically the meta at this point.
 

turmoil7

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Yes. That's not as outlandish as you're implying.

Like I said I've seen scum teams bus themselves to death while town are still focussed on posting funny GIFs. That's practically the meta at this point.
Well I give saenima the benefits of doubt, I think he is more likely town than scum
 

turmoil7

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Yes. That's not as outlandish as you're implying.

Like I said I've seen scum teams bus themselves to death while town are still focussed on posting funny GIFs. That's practically the meta at this point.
Well I give saenima the benefits of doubt, I think he is more likely town than scum
 

Kalor

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Oct 25, 2017
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Let's say someone(maybe Devious) shot Godfather N1, what about Hecht being attacked? Where did that extra attempted kill come from? Maybe the day vig can also attack at night but a town aligned vig surely wouldn't shoot N1, and we only had one kill last night.
 

B-Dubs

Oh well, what the hell
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Oct 25, 2017
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Let's say someone(maybe Devious) shot Godfather N1, what about Hecht being attacked? Where did that extra attempted kill come from? Maybe the day vig can also attack at night but a town aligned vig surely wouldn't shoot N1, and we only had one kill last night.
If Devious is scum and shot GF on N1, then odds are Hecht isn't being truthful. A flip there could well tell us if Hecht is town or scum.
 
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Let's say someone(maybe Devious) shot Godfather N1, what about Hecht being attacked? Where did that extra attempted kill come from? Maybe the day vig can also attack at night but a town aligned vig surely wouldn't shoot N1, and we only had one kill last night.
We've seen town and scum with bulletproof protection, and if Hecht is telling the truth there's another. Extra kills should be expected with all this protection flying around.
 

turmoil7

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Let's say someone(maybe Devious) shot Godfather N1, what about Hecht being attacked? Where did that extra attempted kill come from? Maybe the day vig can also attack at night but a town aligned vig surely wouldn't shoot N1, and we only had one kill last night.
I think Hecht was the one being attacked by scum, GF was almost lynched on D1, worth for scum to keep as mislynch meat
 

turmoil7

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And now I lean towards no more killing powers than the day vig, this room is double lynch day, dark room can kill careless/busy players, more killing power is too much killing, the game could end in a handful of days, it would need several protective roles to balance that...... Worth thinking about
 

Kalor

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In terms of additional killing roles, at most I assume there's one more making a total of 3. And maybe scum have more than 1 strongkill if there's anymore vests that we don't know about.
 

turmoil7

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In terms of additional killing roles, at most I assume there's one more making a total of 3. And maybe scum have more than 1 strongkill if there's anymore vests that we don't know about.
Strongkill is a modifier, not an extra kill, do you think scum has an extra kill?
 
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I think the way he meant it was. It means Kits may not have visited GF N1 if devious visited him since GF never breadcrumbed Kits in any way AFAIK.
sorta? GF still voted for Kits, which in and of itself is a nod towards them visiting.
I know that, I wanted to know what Zipped was thinking -.-
However, nothing GF did indicated that he was visited by MORE than one person.. hence the more town cred. NOT a full on town read, I still think she could be good for scum and its possible that GF just used a weird word, just introduced some doubt.