Nah I don't buy it. His explanation makes more sense than your suggestion that he lied for... reasons. I think you're pushing on a contradiction regardless of it being scummy or not, because that's a safe play. I think you're scum.
VOTE: Grizzly
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The Mansion Mafia - Hold on tightly to your secrets
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VOTE: Grizzly
It's early D1. Most of the discussion has been people doubling down on talking only about rooms and skating, or posting votes based on "well I have a bad gut feeling I guess". When we have so little intel, got to poke at everything that stinks.
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==== DAY 1 VOTES ====
Day Start
Zippedpinhead (4 votes)
B-Dubs - #190
Grizzly - #315
Stuart444 - #406 #684
Z-Beat - #675
BronsonLee - #694
*Splinter (2 votes)
Melonrabbit - #498
LuxCommander - #663
B-Dubs (2 votes)
Hecht - #206
flatearthpandas - #293
Kalor (1 votes)
Muffin - #728
Melonrabbit (1 votes)
saenima - #679
saenima (1 votes)
Kalor - #662
Kitsunelaine (1 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #437
StanleyPalmtree (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #181
Muffin (1 votes)
Godfather - #589
Grizzly (1 votes)
*Splinter - #750
Z-Beat (1 votes)
Aeleus - #677
Hecht (0 votes)
Stuart444 - #217 #406
Kopite (0 votes)
Grizzly - #194 #273
Stuart444 (0 votes)
Godfather - #140 #589
Godfather (0 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #359 #437
Aeleus (0 votes)
Aeleus - #112 #161
Post Counts:
Stuart444: 65 Grizzly: 59 Fat4all: 58 B-Dubs: 44 Godfather: 42 Hecht: 41 BronsonLee: 36 Zippedpinhead: 30 saenima: 29 Z-Beat: 28 Kitsunelaine: 23 Girlofgotham: 19 weemadarthur: 18 WhySoDevious: 18 Kopite: 17 *Splinter: 17 Kalor: 16 flatearthpandas: 15 Muffin: 14 Aeleus: 13 SaucyKaz: 12 LuxCommander: 10 StanleyPalmtree: 8 Melonrabbit: 6
Current Countdown:
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Day Start
Zippedpinhead (4 votes)
B-Dubs - #190
Grizzly - #315
Z-Beat - #675
BronsonLee - #694
*Splinter (2 votes)
Melonrabbit - #498
LuxCommander - #663
B-Dubs (2 votes)
Hecht - #206
flatearthpandas - #293
Kalor (1 votes)
Muffin - #728
Melonrabbit (1 votes)
saenima - #679
saenima (1 votes)
Kalor - #662
Kitsunelaine (1 votes)
Kitsunelaine - #437
StanleyPalmtree (1 votes)
weemadarthur - #181
Muffin (1 votes)
Godfather - #589
Grizzly (1 votes)
*Splinter - #750
Z-Beat (1 votes)
Aeleus - #677
Hecht (0 votes)
Kopite (0 votes)
Stuart444 (0 votes)
Godfather (0 votes)
Aeleus (0 votes)
Post Counts:
Stuart444: 65 Grizzly: 59 Fat4all: 58 B-Dubs: 44 Godfather: 42 Hecht: 41 BronsonLee: 36 Zippedpinhead: 30 saenima: 29 Z-Beat: 28 Kitsunelaine: 23 Girlofgotham: 19 weemadarthur: 18 WhySoDevious: 18 Kopite: 17 *Splinter: 17 Kalor: 16 flatearthpandas: 15 Muffin: 14 Aeleus: 13 SaucyKaz: 12 LuxCommander: 10 StanleyPalmtree: 8 Melonrabbit: 6
Current Countdown:
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==== DAY 1 MOVEMENT ====
Day Start
dark room (Active votes: 12)
saucykaz - #164
luxcommander - #185
hecht - #195
fat4all - #198
whysodevious - #250
flatearthpandas - #293
kalor - #318
bronsonlee - #337
z-beat - #514
grizzly - #536
girlofgotham - #541
*splinter - #545
purple room (Active votes: 5)
weemadarthur - #221
muffin - #312
godfather - #668
stuart444 - #706
zippedpinhead - #745
orange room (Active votes: 2)
b-dubs - #130
saenima - #494
red room (Active votes: 1)
kitsunelaine - #359
green room (Active votes: 1)
aeleus - #213
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Day Start
dark room (Active votes: 12)
saucykaz - #164
luxcommander - #185
hecht - #195
fat4all - #198
whysodevious - #250
flatearthpandas - #293
kalor - #318
bronsonlee - #337
z-beat - #514
grizzly - #536
girlofgotham - #541
*splinter - #545
purple room (Active votes: 5)
weemadarthur - #221
muffin - #312
godfather - #668
stuart444 - #706
zippedpinhead - #745
orange room (Active votes: 2)
b-dubs - #130
saenima - #494
red room (Active votes: 1)
kitsunelaine - #359
green room (Active votes: 1)
aeleus - #213
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Grizz is being legit with his timeline at least. That's not me saying I agree with his conclusions, I'm on Zipped right now simply because he keeps arguing for us to use what looks to be a good room early, but I'm not sure Grizz is scum. Or at least I'm not sure there's enough here to consider him suspect yet.
I'm just kind of frustrated right now since every game since Monopoly I've had reads like "oh this is like scum grizzly in monopoly D1' or similar (tbf Hecht and Splinter neither said that), so I feel like my meta is screwed until I prove that it's just how I play D1, not an inherent scumtell.
Nothing that I can really prove except dying to show it though, and not interested in aiding scum interests.
Nothing that I can really prove except dying to show it though, and not interested in aiding scum interests.
tbf, that was my first game ever in this community and it left an impression on me :P
Vote: Godfather
I really don't like the way Godfather was recently with calling the Zipped voters lazy while having that vote on Muffin and then calling it poor play to not have a vote on someone early in D1.
Feels like an easy excuse to counter lazy allegations and I don't like it.
I really don't like the way Godfather was recently with calling the Zipped voters lazy while having that vote on Muffin and then calling it poor play to not have a vote on someone early in D1.
Feels like an easy excuse to counter lazy allegations and I don't like it.
But the type of comment kinda like "you are calling out everything and seeing what sticks" which is what people have used as evidence of me being scum for multiple games now. So it's kind of frustrating to deal with every time :P
Thanks. The reasoning is sound, i just don't know if i see it as a straight up lie by itself, could be a simple mistake on zipped's part. On the other hand, there is a lot of useless noise coming from him and that does not read like town to me. It might be goofs but at some point you're just playing yourself.
Voting patterns are the only hard evidence most of town gets to look at. If you encourage people not to vote, you are actively harming town. The same applies to anyone jumping onto a bandwagon without having their own specific reason. It's too easy to wait for someone else to make an argument, then latch onto it without any culpability.
This is basic mafia stuff.
But it is poor play not to have a vote on someone early on day 1. Some of the votes may be useless in the grand scheme of things but pushing the issue means that scum cant just sit around and do nothing. It forces them to do something and justify it in some way.
Is it really?
The entire point is that D1 there barely is any "issue" to push unless we get lucky. And sometimes we have "issues" like the Zipped situation, where I see no reason to push further, and barely anything else.
It was still early D1. feels like a lazy excuse to use to vote someone while throwing shade at people voting for Zipped.
What also forces scum to do stuff is by poking and prodding people being quiet.
All early votes come down to is "It was early D1 and I just made a joke vote or voted for someone for the stupidest of reasons (ie because they chose a different coloured room)"
That's how votes get defended later on.
I'm fine with people voting or not voting early in D1 but to call it poor play seems like a stretch (especially with less than 24 hours into the actual day) and even more funny when you're busy calling others out for 'lazy votes'
So you think it's a good idea to just pile on zipped?
Let's say he's scum. On one hand, it's great that we got a scum, but his teammates probably jumped on the bandwagon since it was such a sure thing, and we'll have no way to tell them apart from the people who are town. If he's town, it's even worse. We lost a townie and now have like 1/3 of the game under suspicion for voting him, while the scum could keep their votes wherever they wanted, because no scum was at risk.
If you split the votes more, we might catch scum trying to push other candidates to save zipped(if he's scum), or if he's town, piling on him last minute to save a different scum candidate.
We gain so much more info by not bandwagoning. I'm really concerned about anyone who doesn't see the value in encouraging players to think for themselves.
If you don't actively push people who aren't voting or posting, you're complicit.
So it hasnt actually happened. You just think not voting early D1 is bad play. I think otherwise, you dont need to vote somewhere to prod people. Simple.
What? you literally said you see no reason NOT to push zipped further. What are you even doing?
If that's all you can get from D1, that's on you. I've tried carrying town many times, and usually end up disappointed. Why should this game be any different, I guess.
Okay I'll make this simple for you.
My bad, I did read that wrong. My points still stand overall, even if you may not be directly guilty of the transgressions.
I said all early votes, not votes on D1 in total.
Later votes on D1 are more useful than early "I should vote for someone because if I don't, it's poor play" but whatever, you do you.
Can you see what stance Zipped has taken? Since you're putting them next to each other?
I'm going to agree here - I don't think not having a vote down less than 24 hours into day 1 is bad play.
Understandable. But why?! ;~;
I think at this point in the game any room is a valid choice because imo they're all equally vague and down to personal interpetation. I'm sticking with the red room because I think I like early game pressure, and I hope my reading is right, but I won't expect anyone else to buy into it. The glass part-- if it's bad, it needs to be dealt with early.
That being said, anything to help weed out inactive players is good, but I don't think we should plan the late game around our own interpetations of the room stuff. That could wind up disastrous. Only focus on what's good for the next day.
I don't like the tone of this post. "It's obvious guys we should do what *I* say! It's so OBVIOUS WE SHOULD DO IT NOW! (But I'm only speculating)."
Zippy is just making me nervous for all sorts of reasons. Especially with the constant switching of move votes.
Vote: Zippedpinhead
But on the other hand, maybe there's some mechanic at play, some reasons to be so blatantly lynchable D1 that we're not fathoming. We could be playing right into his hands.
I feel like I'm late to the party with the Zippy stuff. Apologies if I'm being redundant. I'm commenting as I'm reading, not with hindisght. Such are the problems of waking up with a backlog because you're in a screwy timezone.
That being said, I don't know why the runners would impliment a game mechanic where the goal is to be lynched D1, those requirements would be so easy to enact. I'm doubting my own conclusions here, as I'm reading.
how I'm feeling right now
Either a distraction or a really dumb play. I've done dumb plays before. Playing dumb isn't a scumtell.
I've seen Bastard terminology thrown around before and asked what it means without being given an answer, this is actually really illuminating. Thanks!
Stopping at obvious conclusions helps push your narrative. There are plenty of reasons to do that.
So upon further thinking, Zipped is saying a lot of things without saying anything at all and voting for many rooms all at the same time. "Hey look at me look at me look at me". It gives us a target, but the problem is it gives us an only target because it drowns out every other disucssion. It's not a townie play.
If we don't lynch Zipped today, he's going to plague the rest of the game. Let's pop that pimple and get on with it.
So you'll surely have your vote in when we get to the last day of voting right? You've got roughly 90 minutes.
We're up to 17 votes now though. Just over 2/3 of the game participating.
I saw your post but I'm waiting until I'm back on a computer so gathering the quotes is easier.
How do you follow from this:
To this:
I was reading your post mostly nodding in agreement until the last part. I agree it's not town play, and said as much before. But zipped gleefully painting a giant target on his back is precisely why i don't want to lynch him right now. Feels like bait.
To this:
I was reading your post mostly nodding in agreement until the last part. I agree it's not town play, and said as much before. But zipped gleefully painting a giant target on his back is precisely why i don't want to lynch him right now. Feels like bait.
To be clearer Kitsunelaine, i see how you got to it, it was bad wording on my part. I was just surprised that was your conclusion as i was expecting the opposite.